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 Bi'ios wrote:
Gulliman with helmet is just awesome. Cypher is a must have as well. The only one not really gettin me is the GK character, so he may just end up on eBay.

Also, did anyone notice the end of the preview video, where they said "and for Terra", without showing us anything? Who knows what awesomeness is awaiting

After it said 'And for Terra' it said '...if we get there.'

Oh wow seeing these pics at work really brightened up a dreary Friday, and then seeing Robute's helmet( ) made it even better. Really nice models, even if the GK is a bit plain and static in comparison to the other two.
The fluff implications for this little group are immense. Hopefully we will get some good reactions from Robute about the current state of the Imperium. It would be even better if he meets Celestine and realises that Logar may have been right all along
I wonder what the story is with the fallen/legion DA? They look fresh from the Heresy, as well as fighting along side the Grey knights. If they and Cypher were Chaos tainted surely the GK would be getting all smitey instead of fighting with them?

They are revealing some of the story arc on their live Twitch stream right now. Interesting stuff.

The GK is Voldus - new guy.

The Grey Knight guy is Voldus, the new Grand Master of the Grey Knights. He leads a contingent to help Macragge.

Grey knight is a grand master names voldus according to the twitch stream.

NINJAAAA'D

I like how we all independently decided to spell it "Voldus" and not "Vuldos" or something silly.

Bit disappointed with this I must say. The Cypher model might grow on me, but Guilliman is a bit of a let down.

From the live Twitch stream. *sigh* Roboute curb stomps the chaos forces after he wakes up. His strategic genius turns the tides. There is some left on the planet but crippled.

Hey it's Recce.

And now they release this!
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/03/march-for-macragge/

The dead man Papa Smurf is back after having his throat slit by Fulgrim... and his model just looks awful compared to the FW one.

Cypher, one of the coolest looking chaos characters, has turned good and I bet they won't even reveal the Lion was a traitor all along. (At least his model looks good, shame I won't be able to use it :( )

Voldus. Meh, not a bad model. (They better reveal who the silver knight was though as his counter)

And finally, Abaddon is getting axed. Battle of Terra part 2, warmaster dies again, chaos scuttle back to the eye, nothing has changed. (<--- Advances the plot without advancing the plot)

I don't know if I'm just in a bad mood but I can't even muster up any kind of positive emotion in this release, all I have is mild disgust for GW right now and if Gathering storm part 2 ends with Ynead killing Slaanesh then I might just flip before 8th.

Oh wow helmet version looks way better

also i think i need that cypher for a conversion

though hope his head is separate.

Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.

I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.

Grumble grumble.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
For Terra might be a lead up for the next series of books.

I figure it will be Gathering Storm -> Something Else -> Terra.

Wondering how the Warzone Fenris stuff will factor in. I can't help but wonder, because of the 1K Sons fighting Guilliman.

Yeah I think you are right a something else would be a good fit.

Maybe Magnus saw Big Blue's return and decided to stop it.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.

I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.

Grumble grumble.

Watch the Tau go full dumbass bad guy and get destroyed in the glorious dude bro fist of a thousand primarch strong army as they find out how to create more.

That pic of the Black Legion arrayed against the Smurfs....how many do you reckon saw Guilliman and thought 'oh..........bollocks

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That pic of the Black Legion arrayed against the Smurfs....how many do you reckon saw Guilliman and thought 'oh..........bollocks

I know that would have been my response.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.

I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.

Grumble grumble.

Let's wait and see.

After all, the Eldar aren't noted for their actual altruism. Every act furthers their own goal.....every single act.

Will there be a gathering storm IV with Abaddon then?

AHA!!!!!

Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....

What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?

And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?

Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!

CYPHER IS NOT CHAOS!!!

He can lead BA.

 General Kroll wrote:
Will there be a gathering storm IV with Abaddon then?

Gathering Storm? No. This book rounds it off.

But there has to be something to follow, and I reckon that's when we'll see Abaddon play his hand.

I wasn't sold on Rob Gully until I saw the helmeted version. Between him and the awesome new Cypher, it will be hard to resist this one.

Guilliman looks like he would be easy to convert to be from any chapter with minimal effort with a little filing and greenstuff. I think i have a summer project planned up =)

They are busy telling the Twitch stream right now to be patient for the next month or two. They revealed what's coming in March, but don't want us to get all crazy about what comes after.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
AHA!!!!!

Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....

What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?

And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?

Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!

Which is exactly why bringing back loyalist primarchs was a daft idea.

Since we now know there won't be a chaos triumpherate for this series I'm guessing we'll get some kind of Abbadon ascendant model in the next campaign book set. Probably something big like Gulliman or even Archaeon.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
AHA!!!!!

Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....

What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?

And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?

Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!

Which is exactly why bringing back loyalist primarchs was a daft idea.

Exactly. One of two things happen. The Space Marine fluff insanity goes insane with them basically curb stomping the galaxy. Since there is no credible threat to a primarch except another primarch or deamon prince or greater deamon they then have to make those. Then the xenos die or they get something to fight back or somehow manage to not get curb stomped off the map and then the fans of primarchs get mad.

It makes a silly game less about armies and politics and intrigue between them and the ever darkening of the universe to fan spank about primarchs until the end of real life time.

I hope GW shows some story restraint and show the primarchs as fallible and able to be defearted by things other than the biggest of threats, but I highly HIGHLY doubt it. It's Age of the Emperor in everything but name only.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.

I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.

Grumble grumble.

Let's wait and see.

After all, the Eldar aren't noted for their actual altruism. Every act furthers their own goal.....every single act.

True. I wait expectantly, although alas not hopefully going by the heroic rhetoric around guilliman.

I'd just love, as in be actually ecstatic, if guilliman came back and he was a b*stard. It'd fit so beautifully with the idea that the Imperium had hero-worshipped the primarchs to the point they had become mostly fiction...and the reality is far from what they expected.

Just anything with more nuance than 'Guilliman is the greatest hope for the glorious imperium'.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Well. It seems like the imperium and the craftworlders are the 'good guys' after all.

I want my nuance and grey areas back. Goodies and baddies are for AoS.

Grumble grumble.

Let's wait and see.

After all, the Eldar aren't noted for their actual altruism. Every act furthers their own goal.....every single act.

True. I wait expectantly, although alas not hopefully going by the heroic rhetoric around guilliman.

I'd just love, as in be actually ecstatic, if guilliman came back and he was a b*stard. It'd fit so beautifully with the idea that the Imperium had hero-worshipped the primarchs to the point they had become mostly fiction...and the reality is far from what they expected.

Just anything with more nuance than 'Guilliman is the greatest hope for the glorious imperium'.

Yep this is exactly what seems to be happening. Mary sue is in the house.