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 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I love that Chaos Knight, but at about $180 I think I will pass on it.

You're looking at $140 USD for the Errant/Paladin kit(which you can sometimes still find for sale) and $40 for the conversion parts.

It specifically states Errant/Paladin so I'm assuming it's the old kit rather than the recent $157 kit.

 Looky Likey wrote:
Just seems like another cash grab to me, because you can already play as your legion using the default legion rules, what really makes a legion standout is the fluffy units like a Primarch and if these aren't there then what is the point? Are there really that many people who haven't started DA, WS, and BA who would if given an incomplete set of rules for their army? Models and upgrade kits I get, but rules?

I'm one, and a friend of mine is another. It's the Legion rules that define how the army plays, Primarchs and special units just help build on the Legion's character. I was waiting to see the UM rules before deciding if I wanted to take the plunge in another HH army, and my friend is waiting on the BA rules to decide between BA or IF.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Just seems like another cash grab to me, because you can already play as your legion using the default legion rules, what really makes a legion standout is the fluffy units like a Primarch and if these aren't there then what is the point? Are there really that many people who haven't started DA, WS, and BA who would if given an incomplete set of rules for their army? Models and upgrade kits I get, but rules?

I'm one, and a friend of mine is another. It's the Legion rules that define how the army plays, Primarchs and special units just help build on the Legion's character. I was waiting to see the UM rules before deciding if I wanted to take the plunge in another HH army, and my friend is waiting on the BA rules to decide between BA or IF.

I just struggle with that because the combination of one of the two named characters for UM and the Damocles Rhino transform how the army can be used, it makes the alpha strike from DS godly. I'm sure it isn't the only combo that only works because of the named characters. You are only going to get half of the story, and a playable 30k army is at least 2k if not 3k, a sizable investment.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 -Shrike- wrote:
Aw, yeah. Hopefully they bring back some of the other cool things they used to make, like that Abaddon model.

Or Tyranid terrain. Although I will admit dakka has some nice tutorials on making your own.

I have capillary towers, but not the spore chimney. I wanted one, but they went out of stock before I even knew that FW was discontinuing their terrain.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Looky Likey wrote:
Just seems like another cash grab to me, because you can already play as your legion using the default legion rules, what really makes a legion standout is the fluffy units like a Primarch and if these aren't there then what is the point? Are there really that many people who haven't started DA, WS, and BA who would if given an incomplete set of rules for their army? Models and upgrade kits I get, but rules?

I'm one, and a friend of mine is another. It's the Legion rules that define how the army plays, Primarchs and special units just help build on the Legion's character. I was waiting to see the UM rules before deciding if I wanted to take the plunge in another HH army, and my friend is waiting on the BA rules to decide between BA or IF.

Yeah, I think the legion-specific rites of war in particular add a ton of character. The Berzerker rite of war is what makes WE look and play like WE, much moreso than a unit of Red Butchers dropped into a standard legion.

And a "cash grab"? God forbid a for-profit company wants to sell stuff, but regardless, in this case I think it's a *great* thing that they're throwing some bones to people interested in those other legions that aren't getting their full treatment for a while.

FW has been making some real efforts to allow more people to play 30K. The militia/warp cult list is an excellent example. Plenty of 40K IG/AM players can cobble something together for 30K using that army list. That's awesome.

Anyway, it's good to see that the Chaos Knight bits are available separately. I'm kicking around the idea of using elements of my nascent 30K WE in a 40K Daemonkin army down the road. A Chaos Knight of Khorne might be a really good fit.

 prowla wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Chaos Knight is up too- plastic & resin kit for £115.00

£30 for the daemony bits and £85 for the Knight

For some reason, the CK doesn't do anything for me. Lacking some character, IMO.

Same for me, boring IMO.

Anyone know if they are planning to release the militia and cult rules separately ala the Legion lists?

I want to use the cult stuff but I don't want to buy the whole 5th book.

The Legion rules and rite of wars is more were the flavor comes from. Iron warriors and imperial fists are all about their unquie rite of war. Not really the named chars.

I've been waiting for the dark angel rules myself.

 Lockark wrote:
The Legion rules and rite of wars is more were the flavor comes from. Iron warriors and imperial fists are all about their unquie rite of war. Not really the named chars.

Totally agree, and for the most part...FW has really nailed it.

Yeah, the special Characters are nice, and the Legion specific units, but for the most part, the Legion units are an honour guard type unit, and some unit that fits into their Rite of War, and don't drastically change the way the army plays (the Damocles is technically a Legion list addition- Ultras just get more access to them than other Legions).

The Legion rules however really define the flavour of the force for most Legions- I would be pretty annoyed if I had made an Iron Hands HH era biker force only to find that is illegal under their Legion rules.

I am building a small IF force, and the Legion rules have definitely shaped it- there would be much more volkite present if the IF rules didn't favour bolt-weapons. As it is, I decided twin-linked, BS5 combi-bolters would be better for the points on my Terminators.

I'm assuming the Legion Rules will include Legion specific wargear upgrades, seeing as they usually do not have models anyway, unless they are represented easily using the existing FW and GW range.

Yeah,
Hoping for chaos knight upgrade kits.
I have a few unbuilt Paladins.

Panic...

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Meh. Looks decent and nurgly, but the FW GUO is a classic. And we can use the lottkin model for a large plastic option now too. I'd rather they skipped this and gave Slaanesh and/or Tzeentch some attention. When will they get their Daemon Prince + Herald kit like Khorne and Nurlge have had forever now?

Pretty much my reaction. It's a lovely model, and if I had a nurgle army I might get it at some point, but that's now the 17th Nurgle product made by FW versus one each for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.

Ehh, in terms of the knight I was more interested in the rules rather than the model itself. Hell, why would I pass such a delicious modelling opportunity!

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Hoping for chaos knight upgrade kits.
I have a few unbuilt Paladins.

Panic...

Now that we have official rules for Chaos Knights, you could always convert your own! That's the route I and many others went down, and it ends up giving a unique, yet good-looking final product!

 Panic wrote:
Yeah,
Hoping for chaos knight upgrade kits.
I have a few unbuilt Paladins.

Panic...

Forge World doesn't really do upgrade kits anymore.

They cost them the same amount to produce as a full kit, yet sold something like half as well.

Chaos-Knight.pdf wrote:some of these hideously twisted machines are host not to scion pilots, but to Daemon-things, the flesh of the man or woman within consumed or overcome with the raw power of the Warp

Thank you, Forge World!

People bring up "fw is run by GeeDubs as well!" But it's very obvious they have a LOT of personal autonomy.

They do, which is why they can be consistently awesome despite being attached to GW. They're essentially a GW design team with their own store and product lines.

Monday 20th of July, 2015

FORGE WORLD BULLETIN #69

The Forge World Open Day is always a great chance to get a look at the latest work from the Forge World Studio, including what the designers, artists and writers are working on right now. This year the team were on hand to chat to everyone about how they work and the stages of design they go through. If you didn’t make it this year make sure you keep an eye out for tickets for our next event!


Mharaid and Rachel from the Forge World art team were working on their latest projects.

Blake walked hobbyists through the huge new tank he’s working on.


Alan Bligh talked about upcoming Forge World books that’ll soon be rolling off the presses.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/FORGE_WORLD_BULLETIN_69.html

there's some pics of some of the painting comp entries and the titan raffle winner if one so desires to click through.

No tau titan official pics yet... :(

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
People bring up "fw is run by GeeDubs as well!" But it's very obvious they have a LOT of personal autonomy.

from FW site

THE FORGE WORLD COMPANY

Q1. IS FORGE WORLD PART OF GAMES WORKSHOP.
A1. Yes, but we operate as a small (but perfectly formed) separate division from the company that makes and sells the main Games Workshop range of products. We are not connected with the US company that used the same name many years back for production of resin Warhammer 40,000 vehicles under licence.

In terms of the Chaos Knight, I do think it's a shame how we only have rules for the original two knights. I have a feeling we'll see rules/models for the other three later on though.

The Chaos Knight rules are disappointing, Tzeentch being a joke, rerolls to hit on blast weapons (stubber aside), Soul Blaze, really?

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
The Chaos Knight rules are disappointing, Tzeentch being a joke, rerolls to hit on blast weapons (stubber aside), Soul Blaze, really?

Yeah, that sounds like a oversight. Could make sense if they release rules for a Chaos Knight Warden/Crusader though. Also keep in mind these are experimental rules and will probably change when implemented in whatever IA book they end up in.

nudibranch wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
The Chaos Knight rules are disappointing, Tzeentch being a joke, rerolls to hit on blast weapons (stubber aside), Soul Blaze, really?

Yeah, that sounds like a oversight. Could make sense if they release rules for a Chaos Knight Warden/Crusader though. Also keep in mind these are experimental rules and will probably change when implemented in whatever IA book they end up in.

I hope they do their own variants rather than just slap spiky bits on the current ones.

In any regards, remember that with Blast weapons if you choose to reroll--you have to reroll everything. So getting a single "1" with a Scatter could allow you to reroll and potentially get a Hit instead...or if you had Hit something but wanted it to Scatter you can try again.

Just my own opinion there, considering that things like the Warp Spiders and their rule for being targeted do exist.

Lets Eldar'fy Tzeentch! Soul Blaze is now Str D!

Oh my beloved Thousand Sons... finally worth the points.

 Kanluwen wrote:

nudibranch wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
The Chaos Knight rules are disappointing, Tzeentch being a joke, rerolls to hit on blast weapons (stubber aside), Soul Blaze, really?

Yeah, that sounds like a oversight. Could make sense if they release rules for a Chaos Knight Warden/Crusader though. Also keep in mind these are experimental rules and will probably change when implemented in whatever IA book they end up in.

I hope they do their own variants rather than just slap spiky bits on the current ones.

In any regards, remember that with Blast weapons if you choose to reroll--you have to reroll everything. So getting a single "1" with a Scatter could allow you to reroll and potentially get a Hit instead...or if you had Hit something but wanted it to Scatter you can try again.

Just my own opinion there, considering that things like the Warp Spiders and their rule for being targeted do exist.

Still, for the amount of points (65) you would expect something better than that and soul blaze, why not just a +1-2 on the scatter roll? With a knight going into CC other marks are much better, bit expensive piece of shooting equipment with the mediocre mark of Tzeentch. Hope they will get more variants, like a shooty one for the mark of Tzeentch.

Well, wouldn't the "Daemon of" rule apply like it does int he codices? Such as Nurgle also giving Shrouded and S&P, and Tzeentch being able to reroll saving throws of 1?

 Kepora wrote:
Well, wouldn't the "Daemon of" rule apply like it does int he codices? Such as Nurgle also giving Shrouded and S&P, and Tzeentch being able to reroll saving throws of 1?

That was also my assumption, hence the counts as a daemon blurb.

I assumed no, because you count as "Daemon aligned with Nurgle" not a Daemon of Nurgle. Basically you gain some benefit from the warpstorm table in regards to the go you're aligned with but never says you're a Daemon of (Insert God)

nudibranch wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
The Chaos Knight rules are disappointing, Tzeentch being a joke, rerolls to hit on blast weapons (stubber aside), Soul Blaze, really?

Yeah, that sounds like a oversight. Could make sense if they release rules for a Chaos Knight Warden/Crusader though. Also keep in mind these are experimental rules and will probably change when implemented in whatever IA book they end up in.

The Tzeentch rule is essentially the exact same as the ones that the Chaos Reaver and Warhound get in IA 13: Savior of CSM, don't expect much in the way of change there.