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How about slashing the guards cost, whilst also reducing their melee capability to almost 0. Then change their frenzy rule to restore them to their current stat line when their tyrant dies. Makes the opponent have to strongly weigh up if its worth killing that tyrant before taking down the guard?

Their current profile isnt gak. There is nothing to weigh. Kill the tyrant its a threat. Dont worry about the guard. They arnt.

Except you know, you need to kill the TG to kill the HT.

They just need to be more cost effective as wound shields.

The Swarmlord is just poorly designed. And so are Tyrant Guard. A better rule for Tyrant Guard would simply be that you cannot target a hive tyrant unless it is closer than the tyrant guard, or has wings. So Tyrants get character rules protection.

Secondly, the Swarmlord should offer passive buffs based on radius like all the other HQs. Adding 1" to movement/advance/charge for models that begin the phase within 12" of the Swarmlord, as well as offering Onslaught automatically to models within 6". I would suggest also that the warlord trait should be scrapped, with him getting a free "Act of Faith" movement at the start of each turn.

Considering that flyrant spam has dominated the last month of ITC major events, more than guard, dark reapers, pox walkers and Gman combined, you can be 100% sure that they will be nerfed.

I think that they are going to be 1 per detachment, or getting pushed way over 200 points.

Negative. The only nerf I'm expecting is the one everyone knows they should get.

No more free MRC. the MST are a bit stronger so they will be less points than those, but putting them at 16 points would be fair (takes em to 20 with toxin sacs).

Nothing with GW is 100% so don't get too keen on very many big changes with the up coming FAQ. Realistically changing the MRC to 10 pts or something is likely. GW still wants to sell models and spamming models makes them money.

MRC are NOT 10 points. MST are only stronger than MRC when you take 2 pairs. The AP alone makes MRC at least equal in cost to a single pair of MST.

And yeah, the only nerf Flyrants really need is to not have free weapon upgrades.

Yep, in a point based game, "free" will always be a point of failure.

Y'all see the Adepticon standings? Tyranids 3 of top 4, 6 of top 10.

 axisofentropy wrote:
Y'all see the Adepticon standings? Tyranids 3 of top 4, 6 of top 10.

I'm calling it, +20 point on wings and 20 points on MRC.

Spoletta wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Y'all see the Adepticon standings? Tyranids 3 of top 4, 6 of top 10.

I'm calling it, +20 point on wings and 20 points on MRC.

Wings are fine (the problem lies in a Walkrant not having access to things like 2+ armor save IMO), MRC shouldn't be free

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Y'all see the Adepticon standings? Tyranids 3 of top 4, 6 of top 10.

I'm calling it, +20 point on wings and 20 points on MRC.

Wings are fine (the problem lies in a Walkrant not having access to things like 2+ armor save IMO), MRC shouldn't be free

2+ save is a thing of the past.
Wings should be balanced in point cost, and on a tyrant the fly keyword and mobility are worth much more than 27 points. I think that at 45 points, we would have a real choice between a walkrant or a flyrant.

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Y'all see the Adepticon standings? Tyranids 3 of top 4, 6 of top 10.

I'm calling it, +20 point on wings and 20 points on MRC.

Wings are fine (the problem lies in a Walkrant not having access to things like 2+ armor save IMO), MRC shouldn't be free

Jurmungandr Walkrant, 2+ armour save against enemy fire.

Spoletta wrote:

KurtAngle2 wrote:

Spoletta wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
Y'all see the Adepticon standings? Tyranids 3 of top 4, 6 of top 10.

I'm calling it, +20 point on wings and 20 points on MRC.

Wings are fine (the problem lies in a Walkrant not having access to things like 2+ armor save IMO), MRC shouldn't be free

2+ save is a thing of the past.
Wings should be balanced in point cost, and on a tyrant the fly keyword and mobility are worth much more than 27 points. I think that at 45 points, we would have a real choice between a walkrant or a flyrant.

No, you still wouldn't be picking a walkrant

Further Swarmlord thoughts:

- The crap Warlord trait does not matter. He is so dangerous that a clued-up opponent is going to kill him. Making him Warlord practically guarantees your opponent a bonus VP for doing what they’re going to do. Make a tightly embedded Neurothrope or Malanthrope (much less vulnerable to snipers and especially Vindicares!) your Warlord, and keep it alive.

- Putting Genestealers in infestations and hoping for first turn doesn’t work for me. Kraken strat works in movement phases. I want them to be able to run a foot and a half up the table, then move again.

Increase the cost of wings and MRC, allow walking tyrants to lift 2 Heavy Venom Cannons. Problem solved.

Or make wings a replacement for one pair of weapons and give them a melee profile.

That's how the kit is designed anyway...

Is there a link to the adepticon lists or resoults?

Kitane wrote:
Or make wings a replacement for one pair of weapons and give them a melee profile.

That's how the kit is designed anyway...

If you look at the kit, the flying pose does in fact have scything talons on his legs. The red ruby slippers of re-rolling death.

I too would be interested in the Adepitcon list, I was watching ultramarine vs craftworld on twitch last night.

 lindsay40k wrote:
Kraken strat works in movement phases.

Nope.

It works in shooting and assault phase too.

 killerpenguin wrote:
I remember hearing about this guy who did well in some tournament with a tervigon. Does anybody have a link to the list or thread discussing this? I’ve recently acquired a tervigon and would like to know it’s uses in a competitive setting.

Maybe you're thinking of Geoff 'InControl' Robinson? His Tervigon Kronos list did well in practice games IIRC, then ran into a brick wall at the LVO, placed #350 or something like that.

All lists, standings, and pairings for Adepticon are in the Best Coast Pairings app.

I agree with wings taking up a weapon slot and giving them a Scytal-like weapon profile.

If you have to choose between more weapon options or locking one of your weapons and mobility it becomes a real choice.

 Lance845 wrote:
I agree with wings taking up a weapon slot and giving them a Scytal-like weapon profile.

If you have to choose between more weapon options or locking one of your weapons and mobility it becomes a real choice.

I'd hate to rip arms off my flyrants. Just a point cost increase to represent how god a heavy tank with 9" deploy from reserves is

19 Flyrants in top 8...

Prepare yourselves. Points costs increase to wings and twin devourers in 3..2..1..

Just re-posting the link to the lists here for ease of access.
https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

Flyrants, Mawlocs, and Mucolids... as far as the eye can see...

IIRC there was a rumor that Hive Tyrants (and all those other expensive HQ of other factions) will get a 1 per detachment restriction like Tau Commanders. I see that as very probable.

 axisofentropy wrote:
All lists, standings, and pairings for Adepticon are in the Best Coast Pairings app.

that app wont work for me