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HavocBack = A Chaos Rhino with an attacked Havoc Launcher to be an approximation of the Loyalist TL Heavy Bolter Razorback and a poor man's Whirlwind.

I was toying with the idea of these units to ferry my fire support CSMs around.
Give the squad inside 2 Plasmaguns and you can fire 2 S7, 1 TL'd S4 shot and 1 TL S5 blast out to 24".
And on the move you can still move 6" and fire all 4 weapons, albeit with a reduced range of 12" on the Plasma

Thoughts?Feelings?Comments?Angry faces?

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Nah i just like my rhinos bare because in 95% of the games i play with my 1k sons they become a wreck or smoldering crater. I cant justify spending that many points on a rhino is all for me anyways. Now if you were playing something more cost effective say vanilla CSMs this might work well as a poor mans razorback with some potential to put the hurt on infantry hanging out.

Havoc launcher rhinos are pretty damn good actually. A guy in our league here runs 6 havoc launcher rhinos and has really good success with them. The havoc back configuration is good for a turn or two, but I think you'd be better off doing the traditional drive up, get out and shoot 4 special weapons routine.

No. Don't do it.

No... Don't do it.

No, please don't do it.

Take Obliterators. (No really, don't do it.)

CSM = punch faces.
Ranged combat is unique but cowardly. And funny enough, expensive to do.

They do have merits, but the oppurtunity cost is pretty high to get a shooty rhino.

He isnt talking about "Havocs" as in the infantry unit but using the Havoc Launcher on the Rhino. I dont own any rhinos so I cant help sry

Don't do it. The first turn, you won't get any good shots.

The second turn, you may, but you should be driving the full 12" anyway.

Havoc Launchers suck for Rhinos.

Sanctjud wrote:CSM = punch faces.
Ranged combat is unique but cowardly. And funny enough, expensive to do.

They do have merits, but the oppurtunity cost is pretty high to get a shooty rhino.

One of the strengths of chaos is that they do CC well enough that they can build a shooty list without having to be afraid of enemy assault armies.

I've been toying with this idea for a HS slot:

5 havocs w/ 2 heavy weapons (likely missile launchers, autocannon, or lascannons)

In a rhino w/ havoc launcher.

It's kind of like a predator with assault capability.

willydstyle wrote:One of the strengths of chaos is that they do CC well enough that they can build a shooty list without having to be afraid of enemy assault armies.

I've been toying with this idea for a HS slot:

5 havocs w/ 2 heavy weapons (likely missile launchers, autocannon, or lascannons)

In a rhino w/ havoc launcher.

It's kind of like a predator with assault capability.

Oh, sorry, that is what I was really disapproving of. Its overpriced for such an under armored chasis. Havoc Launchers just on Rhinos is still generally a bad idea, except for the unit you use to camp objectives. It won't be moving anyway, so why not shoot? Using the Rhino with a Havoc Launcher and a squad's special weapons to turn it into a Razorback is a bad idea.

Yeah, with two missile launchers that havoc squad with a rhino comes in at 145 points, about the same as a predator with two lascannons, an autocannon, and a havoc launcher.

The predator is definitely less vulnerable to suppressing fire, and has more firepower for the points.

The havoc squad is definitely not efficient, but in a fully mechanized list with a powerful forward element (thinking berzerkers or plague marines in rhinos) I think it could be useful.

It's kind of like a predator with assault capability.

-That's 2 kill points.
-As durable as Av11 and 5 MEQs.
-Still takes up a hvy slot, but is not maximized.
-If the ride blows up, you get out: Behind the rhino for cover less LoS, in front, no cover = easily killed.
-Not 4 hvy/specail weapon havoc/not a defiler, vindi, or oblits.

165 points for the minimum stuff<--which is alot for what you are getting.
So, what I'm saying here is that it's pricey for what you get.

Can it perform, I'm sure, but say a Pred AC/LC/havocs...bleh...would be better for points, hell cheaper.

Thanks for correcting my points value Sanctjud!

Havoc Launchers work they are twin linked and great for killing orks and nids. Do not let other people cry about them. Especially if you run rhinos empty nothing is more overlooked than a rhino.

Also taking one with a 10man squad for objective holding is not a bad idea especially with another heavy weapon inside. It really is not that expensive when compared to the rest of the codex.

Experimenting is your friend, otherwise if you listened to forums all the time there would only be like 2 lists you could ever run. =P

Nah, there would be 3+x, where x would be mine .

Experimenting is a good thing, I'm not saying don't do it, but just know what the oppurtunity costs are.

Rhinos are made for moving 12" a turn. Anything else will take a very specific reason.

If you do go with Havocs, you need more than just 1-2 havoc squads with them to get enough of an impact to warrent their inclusion, much like smart missile systems of the Tau. IMO.