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Indeed, Eldar guy looks great. I’m enjoying the contrast stuff too.

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Singer is done, Techmarine just got his blue ink, so is at the touch-up and then base/decal stage. His other arm and backpack are progressing.

Working on an intercessor on the spare handle now that the eldar is off. Bit behind for the year, need to catch up.

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 Nevelon wrote:


Singer is done, Techmarine just got his blue ink, so is at the touch-up and then base/decal stage. His other arm and backpack are progressing.

Working on an intercessor on the spare handle now that the eldar is off. Bit behind for the year, need to catch up.


Seer is great.

Don’t worry about getting behind if the contrast helps speed things up. Learning new paints and the skills with those will help more in the end than arbitrary numbers. Just don’t procrastinate .

LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
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Nevelon,

You are so far ahead of me with your entry and we only have about a week left to finish.

CB


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The bonesinger came out really well, Nev. Those robes are quite smashing!

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Theophony wrote:Seer is great.

Don’t worry about getting behind if the contrast helps speed things up. Learning new paints and the skills with those will help more in the end than arbitrary numbers. Just don’t procrastinate .


Captain Brown wrote:Nevelon,

You are so far ahead of me with your entry and we only have about a week left to finish.

CB


I’m trying to be better about just spending time at the bench. One layer a day, every day, gets results. Keep chipping away at the pile of shame. I’m not planning on using the contrast paints to speed paint (although I might revisit that if I get a fire lit for my forces of Death). Right now I’m just using them to add more detail, with less work. For example...

Snrub wrote:The bonesinger came out really well, Nev. Those robes are quite smashing!


Those robes are just the new contrast paint at work. Base red + Contrast red + minimal highlights on the edges. Saved me about 3 different layers (and thier dry times) so yes there were some time savings, but not a huge amount in the grand scheme of things. But it does help get a more blended, transitioned look for a lot less work. I’m not sure how much better the browns were then if I had just gave them a chestnut wash. Probably a bit better. But that’s an old ink. I keep on meaning to pick up an agrax earthshade (or whatever the brown shade is these days) which probably gives similar results. Still, the glaze+shade all in one layer is something I enjoy. We’ll find out how it works on purity seals soon.

Progress:


Tech is done with his edges. Just needs the base done. Arm and pack continue to progress. Servo arm is done, backpack is inked (needs edges, which might wait until it’s mounted) and a layer of white is down on the wires as I tend to paint them in colors that cover for crap.

Intercessors are plugging along. Second guy is playing catch up to the first. I’ve painted enough of these guys they don’t take much thought or effort. Just need to crank them out.

Hope everyone is enjoying their weekends.
--Nev

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I took some pics, and will upload them after work, but done with decals and bases on the tech and the PF sarge. So I might just skip the bench WIP that I just snapped and break out the lightbox for finals.

Washed one of the intercessors on the bench, he needs highlights, The other one needs his clean up blue pass, then he’s ready for washing.

Both DW TDA guys are built and on the to-prime list, pics to follow. Need to figure out what to build next. Might build the wraithblades or dire avengers.

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Pics as promised.



A pair of TDA brothers, ready to bolster DW vet squads and tank wounds. Once they get painted that is...



Tech and singer. I took the pics, still need to edit them together. Might be a project for tomorrow.



Wow, this guy looks better as a close up then he does IRL. That’s a first. Must be the lighting doing kind things to him.


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Looking good! Is it just me, or is are the Techmarine and Bonesinger about to do some kind of fist bump with the servo arm?

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So last month I did a pair of dreads, this month their mechanics.

I sing the songs of creation.
I recite the litanies of Mars
I speak with the spirts of my ancestors, who provide the will bringing life to my creations.
I commune with the machine spirits.
I patch them back up when those boneheads get themselves damaged
I know! Can’t they walk in a straight line without breaking themselves?
<brofist>

So had a bit of fun on this one. Pair of metal models, one legitimately vintage (was painted as a BA for many years) and one MTO fairly recently. A little reminder about the pros and cons of the material. Not really happy with the marine's axe, scratchbuilding is not my fotre. First time out with the contrast paints. Not over white, but the singer is blood angels red over blood red and khorne red. Minimal highlighting. Next time I’ll do a a layer of hilights under the glaze, and a lighter one on top. Quick and easy, and I like the results. Wraithbone and the tech’s face was darkoath flesh over zendi dust (however it’s spelled, beige) Little drybrush on top. Also quick test was the contrast was used to shade the rune hanging off the bottom of his robe, while the rest of the golds got the old chestnut ink. Subtle difference.

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The mechanic buddy pics are great. They turned out well, especially the Singer. The powerfist Intercessor also came out looking really cool. The face seems very well-painted and expressive. Looking forward to the DW Terminators.
   
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Techmarine came out very well. It's nice to see a departure from the standard red armour. That particular techmarine sculpt is also my favourite of all the ones they've done. Oh and nice power axe conversion!


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Nice little ditty there Nevelon.

Cheers,

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Great work on the support duo, pleased to see some more good results with contrast paint! The bone in particular is very well done.

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Great work on these two. The scratch built axe looks good despite what you may think of it and that bonesinger looks aces.

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Nice entry for the painting challenge, the red on the bone singer is very effective
   
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Those are a really interesting comparison of the strengths and weaknesses of Contrast. The skin and robes came out top tier, but the armour platings seem a little flat in comparison. For me, it helps me figure out where to use Contrast and where to use traditional washes and highlighting (especially considering I still struggle with skin tones...)

   
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Glad to see you're taking contrast for a spin... nice results on those two! I actually have that Techmarine somewhere-- double points for digging up classic minis!

   
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Time for a mid-year review.

The Year to Date shelf:


I try to keep a 1-a-week goal. So 52 models a year. I can normally do better than that, hitting 60-70. At 21 right now, so a bit behind. I do have a pair of intercessors on the bench that are close to done, so that helps.

My full list:

Here are my New Year’s resolutions:
1 Finish painting the odds and ends from my friend's SOB army that I worked on. Just a handfull of arcoflagelents, spare immolater weapons, some IG HQs.
2 Paint more than I buy. 21/8
3 Paint At least 12 spare bits. I've magetized a number of things, painted the primary set up, but never get around to doing the other options. 2/12
4 Try to get more games in. Optimally 24, with at least some being AoS.
5 Update my blog at least once a week, and maintain a consistent pace of work (1 mini a week).
6 Get my Deathwatch army to a larger level, 2 more full squads minimum, aiming to field an allied battalion (2HQ, 3Troops) and 1,000 points. 2 units, 239 points added, technically can field a battalion
7 Enter and finish an entry every month for the painting challenge. If the monthly challenge stops, enter at least one comp in the year. In addition, paint something odd from the back of the bench a/o try out a new technique.
8 Buy, build, and/or paint at least one piece of terrain.


While volume is down, I am hitting a number of my other points. Actual progress on point 1, which has been a solid “nope” for years now. Kept the purchases down, so the pile of shame is shrinking. Not as many games as I’d like, need to work on that more.

So overall, doing well on my goals, but need to work on getting more things across the bench. I know I’m going to loose 2 weeks out of August for vacation, and the end of December is also going to be shot, so I already am short on weeks. It’s been a stressful year for a number of reasons, but things should be better moving forward. The Boy missed a lot of school for minor reasons that were allowed to spiral out of control, so I had to spend a lot of time going to Dr.s apointments and arguing with The Ex to make sure things were done, but not excessively. Fun times. But I also just picked up the Civ VI expansions via Steam’s summer sale, so that’s another thing that just gut-shot my free time.

Anyway, progress.

Need to get back to these guys. One just needs edges, the other his second blue, then wash, etc... Then their gun arms. After that, their squad mates. I’m leaning on The Boy to paint full squads (and finish up all his partial work) so he can get models to table. I should do the same.

Monthly comp: Wild World

Need to get these guys cleaned and primed. I think I might buy one or two of the brown contrast paints to experiment on them. They seem like they would do well with them. As these guys are just going to be entered, spend the rest of 2019 on the YTD shelf, and then go hide somewhere dark, I’m not going to spend a huge amount of time on them. Mostly just an excuse to try some new techniques.

Hope everyone is having a good 4th. Less melancholy this year than last personally. Time heals all wounds they say. Still, enjoy the time with friends and family, and put some grill marks on some meat and have a beer. Or just go to work and have a nice Thursday, for those of you who don’t believe in Freedom.

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Much respect for the YTD shot. It takes a lot to chart progress or even have organized goals to begin with.

Delighted to see the classic Dryads in the lineup. I look forward to seeing how they turn out.
   
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The posing on that wraithlord was great and I liked the primaris Calgar too. Never seen these old dryads before, so should be interesting to see how they turn out.

   
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My default these days is just to sit around in a melancholy funk unless I have a goal, plan, or something concrete that needs to be done. Motivation, in life and at the hobby bench is a rare commodity, and needs to be worked on. Tracking YTD and setting goals, as well as posting in this blog (and on dakka in general) helps me stay social and moving forward, and not just go full hermit. It’s not as bad as I make it out to be, just been a rough week; holidays alone suck (even if this year was better than last).

And I didn’t get as much painting in on the 4th as I’d hoped. But that’s mostly Civ VI talking.

I did get some work done yesterday and this morning though. Second intercessor is washed. Now both of them need the edges. Put the second blue down on the arms, so the wash for them next. Broke out a pair of brightlances to work on the spare bits backlog, put their first coat down.

Dropped and bobbled my pot of blue, so spent some time getting that out of the carpet. Been a while since I had a spill that bad.

Cleaned up the dryads a bit. Long time since I had to de-flash a model. Not that I work much with metal these days, and the few I have were pretty clean (or previous strip and repaints)

Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

Edit:
Blue wash down on the bolter arms, black on the BLs. Edges next once those dry. I should probably buld something while the paint drys.

Edit 2:
Marines are donw with paint (for the most part) all edged and happy. Need to glue the bolter arms on and a little touchups. Then base/decals, but that might wait until the last two guys are ready. Brightlances done. Will grab pis later.

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Promised pic. Put the other two intercessors on the stands, got their first blue down.

Not sure if it’s going to be a nice enough day to prime, some rain washed through here yesterday, and it’s sunny. Often that’s too humid for the rattle can. I should check, but that would require effort. Lazy Sunday goin’ laze...

Edit: Stupid responsible motivation and lovely weather. First blast of primer down, and I’m kicking myself for not having my morning coffee and scones out on the deck. I tend to forget it’s there, and mostly just use it to prime.

Edit2:


Prime for the Prime god! Minis for the bench of paint!

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 Nevelon wrote:


Edit: Stupid responsible motivation and lovely weather. First blast of primer down, and I’m kicking myself for not having my morning coffee and scones out on the deck. I tend to forget it’s there, and mostly just use it to prime.


Funny, but that seems to be the main use of our backyard deck. It is the place of spraying primer...I just have to make certain all the windows are closed so the smell does not get in the house.

Cheers,

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Captain Brown wrote:
 Nevelon wrote:


Edit: Stupid responsible motivation and lovely weather. First blast of primer down, and I’m kicking myself for not having my morning coffee and scones out on the deck. I tend to forget it’s there, and mostly just use it to prime.


Funny, but that seems to be the main use of our backyard deck. It is the place of spraying primer...I just have to make certain all the windows are closed so the smell does not get in the house.

Cheers,

CB


I do worry about fumigating the people on the other balconies, but I just pick a time when they are not out. My other option is to drag everything down 3 flights of stairs and do it out on the lawn/parking lot.

So last weekend I hit the FLGS to try to get a pot of the new Snakebite Leather contrast paint to do the dryads with. They were sold out. As I had my heart set on using that color, I did what any senseble person would do. I used my original pot. It always covered for crap, so was basically a contrast paint anyway.


But it’s all about contrast paints these days, so I hit her with the flesh wash.


Not bad, not bad at all. I want to take a paler color to the smooth spots without bark/teeth/claws. Not sure what to do with the little round growth looking things. I should probably break out an old army book for some reference pics.

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Pretty effective, I would say.
   
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Bristol!

Interesting to see some Contrast in action.

I admire your diligence, I lose drive for months on end and when I resurface you've always been ticking along. Good effort.

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Steadfast and reliable are what Ultramarines are all about. Life might throw us in the blender, but we soldier on. That or I’m just stubborn. But seriously, This blog and posting here on Dakka is my primary social interaction. I’m naturally a hermit. Keeping at it keeps me focused, gives me a “safe” outlet to talk/vent, and connects me with other like minded people. Plus helps keep my hobby on track. Without it, I’d just slouch into the recliner and binge watch netflix. Which I probably do too much of as it is. I also tend to wallow in melancholy, so it’s good to have a positive, productive hobby to keep me focused and moving forward. We march for Macragge!

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Anyway, hobby progress.

No pics, as slug boy is still sleeping in my spare room, but some progress from the week.
Edit:


Intercessors have all their bases down, drybrushed, and the black/brown washes done. Next step is the clean up blue pass, then the main blue wash.

I drybrushed a little bleached bone on the dryad. Flipping through the old WE army book, those nodules are done in green. I think I’ll hit them with a goblin green. Also, I think I might try for a glowing emerald for the eyes. Probably paint them white/yellow, and then hit the socket with a green ink. Maybe borrow The Boy’s Ork flesh green contrast paint and just drop a bit in there. I think the way it flows might do well for a faux-OSL eye.

Last night The Boy and I sat down to work on a list for him with his own models, with a heavy focus on what he has painted already, and partially done squads. The idea is to get him a roadmap to a fully painted 1,500 point list by the end of the year. Right now he’s got a huge pile of painted HQs, and just a few scraps of squads. Which isn’t completely fair to him. Just yesterday he finished the last guy for a 5 man sniper scout squad, and he has a complete 5 man intercessor squad. He also has a rhino he did, and a 10 man sternguard squad I painted for him. I think the number of guys he needs to paint/finish painting for the list as 20. Which is doable, even at the 1-a-week rate that I believe anyone can manage. But if he really pushes, he might be able to do it before the end of summer. And once you have a solid core of an army you can play, it becomes a lot easier to add/swap units around to grow. Which hopefully, will form a self-sustaining reaction to fuel his hobby progress.

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Bristol!

Glad to hear the (virtual) contact helps. I have found most serious modellers are exceptionally nice people (barring me obviously), so you are in good company.

Seeing those Dryads takes me back, the rules for them when they were introduced were hilarious.

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With the different aspects they could choose, it looked like they were very flexible. Never got them to the table myself, but I think I only actually fielded my Wood Elves once, in a little 500 point team thing, or something like that. Memory hazy. But the original idea was everything either on the wing, or made of trees. So these gals were going to form the core of the ground presence.

After putting the green and some more focused BB on the lighter parts, I hit her with the flesh wash again. Nice results. I’ll try to get pics later, but again, Slug in the spare room. I think I’d do the squad using the contrast paint basically like a dip. Base snakebite leather, pick out the green nodules, hit the light wood with bleached bone, slather with contrast paint. Highlight pass to pick out a few points, eyes. Base and done.

Game yesterday.
Relic. Ultras vs. Salamanders.

In another thread where we were discussing what aspects of the hobby we partake, I had to punch the box for “collector”. I don’t think of myself as buying minis just to have them, but I have. There is no reason I needed to have 2x10 man squads of assault marines, barring the ability to say I have a full battle company on the shelf. How often are you going to put them all on the table? Yesterday. That’s when. And while I was at it, I knocked the dust off the back half of the VVs. I can’t believe it’s not Blood Angels. I think 7th had a formation that was basically 30 jump pack troops dropping out of a thunderhawk onto the table. Pretty much this.

His list was a much more mixed medley. It started out as the list we built for him to get painted, but he wanted to try out a few things so it ended up completely transformed. Inceptors were packing plasma.

Deployment:

I roll to go first, he seizes.

He pushes forward a bit, rolls OK (but forgets a LOT of his captain aura/Salamander CT; something he will do ALL GAME). I make most of my saves, and all he kills is one scout. He tried to orbital bombard by chaplain who was hiding in a building out of LOS, but missed the roll. Interesting gamble. With so much of my army off the table, loosing turn 1 was a risk. He charges his scouts into my snipers, some slapping occurs.

I swing the SR over and drop a bunch of wounds on the repulsor. Not enough to lower it to the middle bracket. My chaplain jumps up to the hill, and my CC scouts pile and and polish off his squad.
End of turn 1


He unloads his transports. The sternguard and a captain storm the hill, and his primaris fall back to secure positions. He drops my Raven, and shoots up my scouts pretty bad (I think he kills them all). Eliminators try to snipe out the chaplain, but his rosarious protects him. He charges the melta tac squad that fell out of the stormraven with his repulsor, which was not a horrible idea as having to fall back to shoot will make them less effective. Unfortunately, he’s within 3” of my TH captain, so he heroicly intervenes. I think he also charged in with the intercessors, but I may have charged him on my turn, I forget. I used the fight twice strat and mangled the tank. His captain and my chaplain dance a bit on the hill. I know I come out on alive, but wounded. Might have lasted an extra fight phase.

My turn the sky opens up and it starts raining marines. Some light shooting, and a lot of failed charges. However, the VVs make contact with the sternguard, and give them a nice murdering. My captain finishes off the repulsor, and consolidates into the intercessors.

End of turn 2


Turn 3 he drops in Inceptors down on the hill with the eliminators. They and the Hellblasters pour a huge amount of fire onto my jump captain, who tanks most of it with the Shield Eternal. But does loose 3 wounds. He needed to die before he blenders them all. The dread plows into the VVs and crumps a few. Would have been more if he had remembered his re-rolls; but I still had some SSs left at that point. His razor is closest to my chaplain, so vaporizes him.

My captain multicharges the eliminators and inceptors. Assault marines move up, shoot and then charge the hellblasters and razor respectively. The captain puts the hammer into the plasma hoppers, and squishes them nicely. A lot of slapping ensues in the other fights, but I pull a few hellblasters down with the sarge’s power sword and weight of dice. Dread eats a few more VVs.

End of turn 3:


At this point we need to break for dinner, and decide to just call the game. I’m chewing up his units, and he’s not going to be able to grab the objective before I abscond with it.

Victory Ultramarines!

I blame a lot of my win on two factors. One was I was playing a bit of a skew list. The only vehicle I had was the SR, and he had a reasonable amount of AV firepower mostly wasted. In my defense, I had wrote this list weeks ago, and the list I thought he was going to play today was much more focused on taking out troops. Plus, there is only so guilty I’m going to feel about playing a list with 20 assault marines in it. The other major factor was him totally spacing on his re-rolls all game long, even when I reminded him once or twice.

Not fresh paint, but he was experimenting with plasma inceptors. Those things put out a stupid amount of firepower, but are crazy fragile for their points. In a normal marine list they could work as a suicide unit, but I think imbedding them in kill teams would be nice for deathwatch.


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