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I've got a Chaos Terminator Lord and can't decide whether to give him two pairs of lightning claws or whether to go with the Khorne Daemon weapon (Which adds a full 2D6 attacks, giving my maximum attacks as (If I assault into combat) 17 attacks).

However, I aren't sure which would be better against, say, a Space Marine army. Any help?

This is more a tactics based question than a YMDC rules question. Even so, I would recommend a normal Daemon weapon over the Khorne variety in general, since a single 1 on 2d6 is not that rare an occurrence (little less than 30%). Also, I am not sure how you get 17 attacks, 12 DW + 1 Charge + 3 Base = 16 (DW is 2 handed so no bonus for an extra CCW).

Against a SM army I'd usually go with the Khorne demon weapon, they both take up each hand but the khorne weapon can get a HUGE amount of attacks, however the lightning claws re-roll ability might make up the balance in the amount of wounds that are inflicted....

Great Unclean One wrote:Against a SM army I'd usually go with the Khorne demon weapon, they both take up each hand but the khorne weapon can get a HUGE amount of attacks, however the lightning claws re-roll ability might make up the balance in the amount of wounds that are inflicted....

It looks like it's two sides of a square then really.

calypso2ts wrote:This is more a tactics based question than a YMDC rules question. Even so, I would recommend a normal Daemon weapon over the Khorne variety in general, since a single 1 on 2d6 is not that rare an occurrence (little less than 30%). Also, I am not sure how you get 17 attacks, 12 DW + 1 Charge + 3 Base = 16 (DW is 2 handed so no bonus for an extra CCW).

Ah, I must have managed to miss the tactics section. I do apologise. But is an extra strength point worth this change?

Yes, wounding on 3s and, more importanly, only wounding youself 1/6 of the time is better than the potential other attacks.

If you can swing it, and have enough to soak up losses, then a footslogging unit of bezerkers with a juggernauhgt kord gives you S5 attacks with up to 18 attacks on the charge. However you are still probably just going to do what I do: roll 1 or 2 "1"s each round and kill yourself. For predicatability i would always suggest Lightning claws.

Calypso you forgot the MOK adds one attack.

I am moving the thread to Tactics.

Khorne Lord can get up to 18 attacks.

3 Base + 1 for MoK, +1 for Charging, +2D6 for Bloodfeeder, and +1 if he's on a Juggernaut.

@Xca|iber:
Hell no to the juggy, you are stuck roving around on foot and that's ass.

@OT:
Risk Averse: Claws.
Risk Loving: DW.

As to which DW, are you a fluffy player or one who doesn't care?
Generally just look at the DW and see which has the most utility when compared to your local meta.

Sanctjud wrote:
@OT:
Risk Averse: Claws.
Risk Loving: DW.

As to which DW, are you a fluffy player or one who doesn't care?
Generally just look at the DW and see which has the most utility when compared to your local meta.

I aren't a massively fluffy player, I just go for whatever looks like it'll pack the most dakka .

I was originally going for the Blissgiver, but I misread the rules and changed my mind when I learned you could save from it.

I like the daemon weapon, but unmarked lords and nurgle lords seem to have the most utility (strength 5 wounds MEQs 66% of the time, while 4+ rerolled wounds MEQs 75% of the time.)

@Sanctjud: Right. I was just pointing out how the attack calculation broke down. (Somebody up above was asking how he calculated 17 attacks, so I figured I would be thorough).

Also, you can save from any Daemon Weapon wound, provided you have an invulnerable save. (Unless the Blissgiver removes the power weapon clause... IIRC it doesn't).

But yes, the Khorne one is more killy.

The undivided demon weapon is the bee's knees because it's +1S. That's huge. Lightning claws are a close second because they give you the most reliability against alot of things, even those with higher toughness.

The Khorne DW gives you too much change to kill yourself.

Nerbil wrote:I aren't a massively fluffy player, I just go for whatever looks like it'll pack the most dakka .

I was originally going for the Blissgiver, but I misread the rules and changed my mind when I learned you could save from it.

No, all the Daemon Weapons ignore armor. You can take invulnerable saves against it, but that's true of any of the weapons the Lord can take.

Anyway, I'd roll with MoK, Lightning Claw, Combi-plas. The combi-plas is almost a certain two kills, which I find to be better than simply getting another attack. If you really want a Daemon Weapon, take Undivided or the Plaguereaper (?). They're the only ones that midigate the Lord's biggest fault: S4. I've had some awesome games with the Undivided Daemon Weapon, but I'm good at rolling 6s when I need to.