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Hello,

i play 40k for about a month now, i like it, but i dont have much experiance.

in about a week im playing my first "big" battle 2000points against Blood Angels xD
i play Eldar, i got almost every unit availeble ......

i need help,
should i go for speed, long distence shooting or strenght.....

hope you guys can help a starter out

i will post my battle list in time, cause im still working on it xD

Well, we've got no idea what he'll bring so just cover all the basics. Banshees will nom nom his Assault Marines, and you'll want something to keep his Dreadnoughts at bay. I'd normally recommend EML, but given that he could spam Landraiders, keep your Lances ready instead. A Biker Council could be pretty good. I'd do something like this:

Farseer
Banshees, Serpent
Fire Dragons,
DA, Serpent
DA, Serpent
Maybe some Bikers, or Pathfinders
Warwalkers
I'd even take Dark Reapers here

would swooping hawks be a good choice..??
because they got good grenade's

what about HQ..??
I wanted to take Karandras and a Warlock Unit

I would go with something pretty close to what darkhound said, swooping hawks really arent that good imo, especially with the high maneuverability that blood angels has, it just means they are going to get into CC which is very bad for them.

I would do.

Eldrad
Banshees - Serpent
Firedragons - Serpent
DA - Serpent
DA - Serpent

I would use that as a core and then build from there. Reason being for eldrad is he has pysker protection and anti-psyker protection. This helps with librarian dreads and mephiston which is needed, along with all the other yummy goodness eldrad provides.

What is most difficult about going up against Blood Angels is there are many different options they could use, so you really have to plan for everything. Rhino rush, jump assault, landraider spam, dreadnought spam, and much more. Try to get all your bases covered. Firedragons are strong anti-tank, banshees are good anti-troop, Direavengers are good for objectives. And just use whatever else works for you.

yeah I agree with what was said above as well, but against any assault type force you cannot go wrong with yriel, with his once per game ability he will destroy a entire squad of marines if they are doomed.
Eldrad and yriel would be a great combo, eldrad can doom 2 units, and yriel and banshees will chew them up and spit them out like butter bright lances on your wave serpents are always a good buy and you can never go wrong with dark reapers when fighting marines.
With that core block built of yriel, eldrad, dark reapers, and banshees, I would add 2, 5 man squads of fire dragons in wave serpents or falcons, and multipel squads of storm guardians with flamers and fusion guns in wave serpents as well. Depending on how many wave serpents you have, rangers are good objective baby sitters as well. With the right eldar build I dont think blood angles stand much of a chance. Good luck.

in a nut shell a list I would use would be something like this.
eldrad 210
yriel 155
10 banshees exarch acrobatics mirror swords 187
wave serpent cannon spirit stones 110

5 dark reapers exarch fast shot missle laucher 217

5 fire dragons 80
wave serpent cannon spirit stones 110

5 fire dragons 80
wave serpent cannon spirit stones 110

11 storm guardians iether 2 fusion guns or 2 flamers warlock w destructor 135
wave serpent cannon spirit stones 110

11 storm guardians iether 2 fusion guns or 2 flamers warlock w destructor 135
wave serpent cannon spirit stones 110

11 storm guardians iether 2 fusion guns or 2 flamers warlock w destrucktor 135
wave serpent cannon spirit stones 110

1994 points.

i must say, really thanks for all your help

i like the combo of eldrad and yriel.....
but to DOOM a unit, should there be a line of sight..??

i played against Chaos and the player told me there must be a line of sight to use doom,, i looked it up but it isnt in the codex.

back on topic:

i will post my battle list tommorow morning so you can check it..... i must say i have to improvise (if that is said correct ) i just got a Wave Serpent and i'm missing Dire Avengers and a few Fire Dragons to make a legal squad.

thanks for the help and keep dropping tactics againt Blood Angels,, i need all the help i can get

No doom is not a shooting attack it does not require line of sight, eldrad can cast it from inside a vehicle and you just measure from any spot on the vehicles hull. check out the eldar faq on the gw website and print it out and bring it with you incase you run accross any rules lawyers out there that try to spoil your psycic fun.

I hate Eldar! You have a Int of 5. You will go first in almost all combat. Use the Psyker; Doom and guide ect. There is a field for a falcon. the attacker must roll 2 dice for the damage chart, and use the lowest. Dire Avengers Blade Storm. Wavy serpents.
Use your speed. Move Deploy, shoot; next turn load up and move on.
The above items are things used aginst my:SoB,BT,SW and worked aginst me. I have fielded Njal of SW. Stay back and bolster your units with spells;guide doom ect. Just stay 24" away from him.
And this why Eldar suck {to play aginst}

ok so i tried to make a list that was in my oppion a worthy one


HQ:

Eldrad
Yriel

Troops;

3 jetbike's + 1 warlock mounted on Jetbike
4 jetbike's + 1 warlock mounted on
(warlock has destructor, and 2 jetbike's have shuriken cannon)
6 Pathfinders

Elites:

8 Striking Scorpions
5 Howling Banshees

Transport:

Wave Serpent with twin-linked Bright Lance

Fast Attack:

6 Swooping Hawks
5 Vypers

Heavy Attack:

Wraithlord with Scatter Laser and Starcanon
2 Falcons with pulse laser and scatter laser

total of 2004 points


so, keep in mind i just started playing.....
i know that he will deepstrike a BA tank.... and that BA are very fast and hard to kill.....

i also noticed that i need Dire Avengers

so will this be a nice battle?

(i will post the battle report the same day i battle thats next Sunday)

So.. you don't have Dire Avengers?
a squad of 4/5 jetbikes even with a warlock will go down easily and then you will have no scoring units for objectives. Best case scenario for them is that your opponent ignores them.
BTW put a list up of EXACTLY what is available for you to make a list out of. At the top you said you had nearly every unit in the codex so put up exactly what you have, it'll make things easier for us trying to help you.

Key to fighting BA, don't get assaulted. I tend to play an assault oriented army with sang priests, and if I assault you you will feel it. I get the same initiative as you when I assault because of furious charge, so I will be wounding you on 2+ with str 5, and depending on size and what not, I might have a chappy with them to reroll hits, and I will have FNP from priesties. BA assault can be very nasty. You should probably tie up units with that Wraithguard since he will deny FNP and will be tough to kill. In CC take care of sang priests first and foremost. Try to stay in transports as long as possible. One tactic that will really hurt an assault army is the Doom, guide DA bladestorm after poping them out of a transport. I believe that was mentioned before in this thread.

Banshees are a compulsory choice against BA. With sanguinary preists nerfing volume of attacks/shots into all oblivion, don't even bother unless you ignore his save. You used to be able to get away with scorpions against SM, but they won't be able to get past 3+ armour and feel no pain, so will be a useless points sink.

Bring:
-Anti-tank
-Farseer/Eldrad, DOOM! runes of warding
-Banshees, at least 2 squads of 10, exarch w/ exec
-Min DA's for troops
-Fire Dragons. take 10, melt memphiston.
-And the mandatory wave serpents

Unfortunately, there is nothing else really worth bringing, as your HS slots should be taken up by fire prisms.

Even seer councils bounce off sang. guard w/ FNP...

Combine your Jetbik squads into one unit

Drop the Swooping Hawks in favor of another troop unit

Drop 2 Vypers for another 5 banshee squad to put in the second Falc, then team eldrad with one squad and yriel with the other

Take the remaining Vypers and split into 3 units

Just my first impression

You want long range firepower to pound him before he gets to you. So I would go with:

Eldrad w/ warlocks in WS.
Maybe Yriel.

Banshees in Falcon.
Striking Scorpions in Falcon, go down the opposite side to the Jetbikes and Vypers w/ the Howling Banshees and Eldrad and pincer him.

Guardians w/ BL platform if you have it.
All Jetbikes together, move forward fast in first turn so hard to shoot. Next turn shoot then move 6" back and continue to do so.
Pathfinders, put them in cover.

Use the Vypers with the Jetbikes.

Wraitlord provides covering fire, also tie up a S4 unit in CC so they can't do anything.

If this is all you have you are going to be severly outnumbered. If you have anything else please post it.

thanks again,, i'm taking notes

so for al the people that ask what other unit's i got

i got:

- Warp Spiders (5)
- Feugan
- Karandras
- War Walker
- Fire Dragon's (3)
- Dark Reapers (6)
- Fire Prism
- Warlocks (4)
- Guardians (26)
- Maugan Ra (i orderded this model i hope it will be in my possesion for the battle)



i must appologise for i said that i have almost every unit from the codex, as you can see the numbers behind the unit's indicate how many i have.

i am trying my best to complete as many as possible
this 2000point battle is my first Big Battle.
the BA player let me know that the battle cant continue next sunday but will be played the sunday after next sunday (is that well said )

Again i want to thank the people for their helping hands,
and i would like to ask people to continue posting tips and hints,
because i got an extra week to prepare.

you should get eldrad. i would also consider an avatar as you have a prism take it. unfortunatly phoenix lords are a points drain. against blood angels they will either have all feel no pain or lots of armour dreadnoughts and tanks so you will have to try put lots of brightlances in. fire dragons are also great for both anti marine and tanks the more the merrier. reapers again can kill lots of troops, try exarch with double shot missile launcher. remember apart from kill point missions you want lots of troops to claim.

Can you change the Scatter laser on the Falcs for EML's?

yes i can change them,,
no problem,,

but i do have a problem with the HA slots,,
wraithlord and falcon (2x)
why a fire prism instead of falcon..??
can i put a unit in it..??

enigmadls wrote:yes i can change them,,
no problem,,

but i do have a problem with the HA slots,,
wraithlord and falcon (2x)
why a fire prism instead of falcon..??
can i put a unit in it..??

No, you can't put troops in the Prism. People suggest running them because they are a little more efficient point-wise versus the Falc. The current build philosophies push fire prisms and wave serpents rather than the Falc's. I understand the reasoning but don't feel that the difference in effectiveness is so great that it should become written in stone.

Now the reason I suggested the EML is that the lower powered shot counts as defensive, which allows a bit more Fire while moving more than 6". When the Falc doesn't move over 6" the higher strength shot is a better match with the pulse laser than other options.

phantommaster wrote:
Eldrad w/ warlocks in WS.

So this is an other thing i dont get,,
Warlocks are HQ..?? or only a warlock unit is HQ..??


damn i feel like a n00b right now xD.....

anyway i RE-directed my list
but i wasn't sure to bring Fuegan or Yriel

but this is my improved list:

HQ:

Eldrad
Yriel

Troops:

Pathfinders 6x
Jetbike's (9x) + Warlock (destructor)

Elites:

Scorpions 8x
Banshees 5x

transport:

Wave Serpent with Twinlinked Brightlance

Fast Attack:

(sorry guys i wanna try them) Swooping Hawks 6x
Vypers 5x

Heavy Support:

Wraithlord with scatter and pulse laser
Fire Prism
Falcon with EML

its 1987 points xD


Good..??

so i reduced the scorpions to 6,
reduced the bike's to 5 with 1 warlock.....

and i got 10 dire avengers to take those reduced places :p

so i was thinking,,
put eldrad and yriel and 10 DA in the WS,
banshees in de falcon,,
infiltrate the scorpions and maybe the pathfinders/rangers.
bike's and vyper's to move fast and try to take out as much as possible, just like FP.

he told me he has a small but expensive list,, so it should be interesting......

next sunnday

The list is looking better. There are a few issues though. The list is showing to many different peopls ideas. Looks like a Biel-tan list with one of everything. Having 2 units of the same type often improves that units chances of doinh its job.

The Fire Prism is not nearly as effective on its own as when twined up with another Prism.
Personally, I liked the Twin Falcons you had earlier, but I can see why you would want to move to the prisms or wave serpents.

The Wraithlord doesn't fit in the list. You have a fast army everywhere else then a Monsterous creature on foot. *Hint- He is about the same price as a wave serpent.

In the second Wave Serp run a squad of guardians or DA in place of the pathfinders.

If you can, try to find a way for the Jet bikes to have 6 jetbikes + 2 Shuricannons +1 Warlock. Wording of the rule leads to arguments if you try to run 2 shuricannon w/ only 5 Jetbikes.


I can't tell if you are running exarchs in the Banshees, Scorpions and Hawks. If you are, could you post what warrior powers your giving them.

The list would look something like this:

HQ- Eldrad

HQ- Yriel

Elite- 8 Striking Scorps

Elite- 6 Banshee

Troops- 6 Guardian Jet-bikes+2 Shuri-cannon+1 Warlock w/destructor

Troops- 10 DA W/ WS+tl BL

Troops- 10 DA(10 Guarduans/Storms as an alternative?) w/ WS+tl BL

FA-6 Swoop Hawks

FA-2 Vypers w/ Shuri-cannon

FA-2 Vypers w/ EML

HS-Fire Prism

HS-Fire Prism

Let me know if you have the units for this build and if it sounds interesting pr is close ro what your looking for.

And yeah combining Yriel and Eldrad might be a good combo.

Hope this helps

this topic can be closed

thanks every one

This topic be closed

thnkx every one