Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**zamerion**

Fleshmetal exoskeleton (30) armor 2+ + gains IWND[u]

its 2++ invulnerable or 2+ armour + IWND

**Kaiyanwang**

Probably is premature and many basic issue intrinsic in the units could still plague the faction but...

Kelly you hack fraud you did it. This looks at least something interesting.

*cries* I am 15 years old again!

Also, all hail Veteran Noob.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
Sounds like a nice release. This is probably the best thing CSM could wish for within the godawful framework of detachments and formations that is GW's current fetish. It definitely seems like the book was done by someone who understands and loves Chaos, they were just constrained by the bad system.

Yes, but it looks at least as something made by someone looking back at the old 3.5 codex. My expectation were so low, that I am for the first time at least intrigued.

**casvalremdeikun**

Toughsurvivor wrote:
How to defeat Magnus (tabletop)
Space Marine Command Tanks
Grant a single unit in 18" to get the rule Sky Fire
Choose the most badass shooter there are (Titans, FW tanks etc)
That helps to bring the tough one down..
best regards!

You forgot the mandatory "Fly to the UK, acquire Space Marine Command Tanks". But really, a turn or two of a Contemptor Mortis with twin Kheres Assault Cannons can get the job done for a lot cheaper.

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

zamerion wrote:
Fleshmetal exoskeleton (30) armor 2+ + gains IWND[u]

its 2++ invulnerable or 2+ armour + IWND

2+ armor and IWND rule, I believe.

**Toughsurvivor**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Toughsurvivor wrote:
How to defeat Magnus (tabletop)
Space Marine Com

You forgot the mandatory "Fly to the UK, acquire Space Marine Command Tanks". But really, a turn or two of a Contemptor Mortis with twin Kheres Assault Cannons can get the job done for a lot cheaper.

Lives in Sweden so it aint that far

But I will probably make my own ..

Thanks for the tips though, didn´t know the contemptors had Skyfires.. Will get some!

**BoomWolf**

Well, if veteranoob is accurate, it seems nurgle has drawn the best straw YET AGAIN.
FFS guys at GW, stop making nurgle the best choice all the time. nobody actually likes him beyond his power level....

Also, FAQ takes the worries off the horrors. they will NOT split into more objsec, and they lost daemonology-so they are not any better than before, possibly even worse.
They now serve the purpsoe they are SUPPOSED to serve, being batteries and providing a screening horde for your actual army, rather then serving as a clown car.

**bubber**

Hi Mr VeteranNoob
Can you tell me if the Plague Marines that join Typhus can upgrade to terminator armour?
Cheers!

**Daedalus81**

MinscS2 wrote:
Big thanks to VeteranNoob.

WB and TS got the short end of the stick, but at least WB (along with all other legions) have a "Legion Tactic" which is passive and hence always active. I guess WB ends up in the middle if you play the summoning-game as well.

Poor TS, their one and only bonus requires both a psyker and a successful psychic test.

Thousand Sons are the indisputable masters of the psychic phase. Nurgle are kings of not dying and heavy weapons. EC are similar to Nurgle, but a bit less so and need to pay the icon tax. The best they have going for them is the formation bonus, which will make most of the army just Noise Marines.

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bubber wrote:
Hi Mr VeteranNoob
Can you tell me if the Plague Marines that join Typhus can upgrade to terminator armour?
Cheers!

Keep dreaming

**Starfarer**

BoomWolf wrote:

FFS guys at GW, stop making nurgle the best choice all the time. nobody actually likes him beyond his power level....

"I don't like a thing, so clearly no one else could possibly like it!"

Are you 12?

**timetowaste85**

Nurgle is fun to paint...although seeing others get more time in the power spotlight is nice. And I think the EC are looking freaking awesome!!

**Kaiyanwang**

BoomWolf wrote:
Well, if veteranoob is accurate, it seems nurgle has drawn the best straw YET AGAIN.
FFS guys at GW, stop making nurgle the best choice all the time. nobody actually likes him beyond his power level....

Nurgle is loved by painters as well because of the possibilities with washes, simple or complex highlighting techniques, layers and well executed blends to render the bloated bodies/decomposition/bubonic stuff/watever, and technicals for rust and decay.

Also, FW models for plague marines and terminators are quite good.

**casvalremdeikun**

Hmmm, which Legion would I get? It would Thousand Sons or Emperor's Children, I think. Probably Thousand Sons since their new models look fantastic.

Too bad I have way too many Space Marine armies as is, so there is pretty much zero chance of me getting either.

**Vailex**

Veterannoob,

I know you said that TS are exactly like WoM, but I am wondering if you missed something. Can they take any of the generic 8 formations which the other legions can take such as the Chaos warband (obsec would be great!). Also can the Scarab Terminators be taken in place of regular terminators in cases like Terminator Annhiliation formation?

Im a huge TS fan and Im kind of dissapointed in that the only way for me to get Obsec is via CAD. Horrors are great and all but Id rather not have to buy a crap ton of them to be competitive. At this point, Ill just play CAD thousand sons and wait until our codex gets updated.

**VeteranNoob**

Perth wrote:
Hey VeteranNoon, thank you so much for all this goodness, but I do have one question for you.

Can you clarify how the Alpha Legion Shrouded bonus works? I'm wondering if it works like the Raven Guard tactic which states that you don't get the bonus if you disembarked from a transport that turn.

Thanks again.

"all non-vehicle units in this detachment have shrouded special rule during their first turn."

**casvalremdeikun**

Am I the only one that finds it odd that the Legion notorious for building things(IF) doesn't have a way to get a Fortification in their Detachment, but the Legion notorious for tearing things down(IW) does?

**VeteranNoob**

Sasori wrote:
This release is looking pretty amazing. People are finally getting the customization they have been wanting for what feels like 10 years.

I'm hoping this means that an updated CSM codex is eminent, since all of these released build on it.

That...is a damn fine way of putting it. Customization. Very nice. I'm happy with this. Sure, last week WoM sold me on TS and I'll still play them but this gives me some future project ideas to cross the streams w/30K

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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Is there Any way of taking Fabius Bile with the legions?? Kinda said he has his own book out and no rules.

His book from BL comes out pre-order today: Fabius Bile: Progenitor, so maybe that will explain where ol' sawbones is

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Iron Warriors shouldn't need to take bikers/raptors/warp talons in their core. Alpha Legion detachment should be able to take cultists without Dark Apostle.

Other than that it looks like they got this mostly right fluffwise.

Night Lords have Fear and Night Vision and can always Night Fighting. Because Night Lords mostly come out at night. Mostly...

**mrhappyface**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it odd that the Legion notorious for building things(IF) doesn't have a way to get a Fortification in their Detachment, but the Legion notorious for tearing things down(IW) does?

Irom Warriors thought they were better at building fortification then the IF, that's why the IW kept teering their fortifications down: to show how bad they are.

**buddha**

A thousand thank you's VeteranNoob! I'm on pins and needles waiting for your Agents of the Imperium spoilers!

Could you confirm that you need Typhus for the Plague Colony detachment or can it be a nurgle marked chaos lord? Thanks.

**VeteranNoob**

BoomWolf wrote:
Well, if veteranoob is accurate, it seems nurgle has drawn the best straw YET AGAIN.
FFS guys at GW, stop making nurgle the best choice all the time. nobody actually likes him beyond his power level....

Also, FAQ takes the worries off the horrors. they will NOT split into more objsec, and they lost daemonology-so they are not any better than before, possibly even worse.
They now serve the purpsoe they are SUPPOSED to serve, being batteries and providing a screening horde for your actual army, rather then serving as a clown car.

Well, all I can do is relay what's there in a release. One thing I didn't mention but will on the podcast is this is a softback. Typically in the US at least, softbacks aren't plastic wrapped anymore for GW. So you may want to have a look next Saturday, clear up any questions and then buy or don't buy. Spent some time revising all the good-awful autocorrect (even when you turn that feature off, it still somehow...)

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bubber wrote:
Hi Mr VeteranNoob
Can you tell me if the Plague Marines that join Typhus can upgrade to terminator armour?
Cheers!

nothin about armor upgrades in the formation Plague Colony. With so much resilience though...

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Vailex wrote:
Veterannoob,

I know you said that TS are exactly like WoM, but I am wondering if you missed something. Can they take any of the generic 8 formations which the other legions can take such as the Chaos warband (obsec would be great!). Also can the Scarab Terminators be taken in place of regular terminators in cases like Terminator Annhiliation formation?

Im a huge TS fan and Im kind of dissapointed in that the only way for me to get Obsec is via CAD. Horrors are great and all but Id rather not have to buy a crap ton of them to be competitive. At this point, Ill just play CAD thousand sons and wait until our codex gets updated.

Sadly TS are exactly the same. I checked thrice. It's a usual decurion, some legions got lost & damned as 9 aux choices, then TS exactly the same as WoM. I had hoped they would have access to the rest. Just helped me halt a purchase before it got made.

@somebody above?
I love AL and to me they take the fluffy award, and also real good, just above DG, EC and NL. BL is just badass, as is right. TS masters of the psyker phase though, absolutely. All I need is the exalted sorcerer box and my 2250 army is ready to be built and painted as the rest of it arrives next week. Can't wait!

**casvalremdeikun**

mrhappyface wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Am I the only one that finds it odd that the Legion notorious for building things(IF) doesn't have a way to get a Fortification in their Detachment, but the Legion notorious for tearing things down(IW) does?

Irom Warriors thought they were better at building fortification then the IF, that's why the IW kept teering their fortifications down: to show how bad they are.

Better is subjective unless you're Dorn. In terms of the behavior their legions exhibited, the Imperial Fists would conquer a world, fortify it, leave a garrison, and move on to the next world. Whereas the Iron Warriors would raze a world to the ground.

**rtb02**

Hi Vetnoob!

For the emperor's children is it 6 squads of noise.marines needed for the +1 strength?

Many thanks for all - you've been amazing!

**Vailex**

VeteranNoob wrote:
BoomWolf wrote:
Well, if veteranoob is accurate, it seems nurgle has drawn the best straw YET AGAIN.
FFS guys at GW, stop making nurgle the best choice all the time. nobody actually likes him beyond his power level....

Also, FAQ takes the worries off the horrors. they will NOT split into more objsec, and they lost daemonology-so they are not any better than before, possibly even worse.
They now serve the purpsoe they are SUPPOSED to serve, being batteries and providing a screening horde for your actual army, rather then serving as a clown car.

Well, all I can do is relay what's there in a release. One thing I didn't mention but will on the podcast is this is a softback. Typically in the US at least, softbacks aren't plastic wrapped anymore for GW. So you may want to have a look next Saturday, clear up any questions and then buy or don't buy. Spent some time revising all the good-awful autocorrect (even when you turn that feature off, it still somehow...)

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bubber wrote:
Hi Mr VeteranNoob
Can you tell me if the Plague Marines that join Typhus can upgrade to terminator armour?
Cheers!

nothin about armor upgrades in the formation Plague Colony. With so much resilience though...

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Vailex wrote:
Veterannoob,

I know you said that TS are exactly like WoM, but I am wondering if you missed something. Can they take any of the generic 8 formations which the other legions can take such as the Chaos warband (obsec would be great!). Also can the Scarab Terminators be taken in place of regular terminators in cases like Terminator Annhiliation formation?

Im a huge TS fan and Im kind of dissapointed in that the only way for me to get Obsec is via CAD. Horrors are great and all but Id rather not have to buy a crap ton of them to be competitive. At this point, Ill just play CAD thousand sons and wait until our codex gets updated.

Sadly TS are exactly the same. I checked thrice. It's a usual decurion, some legions got lost & damned as 9 aux choices, then TS exactly the same as WoM. I had hoped they would have access to the rest. Just helped me halt a purchase before it got made.

@somebody above?
I love AL and to me they take the fluffy award, and also real good, just above DG, EC and NL. BL is just badass, as is right. TS masters of the psyker phase though, absolutely. All I need is the exalted sorcerer box and my 2250 army is ready to be built and painted as the rest of it arrives next week. Can't wait!

Well that is unfortunate... Might be able to make a decent list with CAD. Their core formations are simply too expensive when i tried to make a list.

**buddha**

Im also really appreciating they did away with the silly rule requiring a CSM sorc to generate half their rules from their god.

**lord_blackfang**

buddha wrote:
Im also really appreciating they did away with the silly rule requiring a CSM sorc to generate half their rules from their god.

Let me explain that thing.

The rule existed because the lores only had 3 spells each, so a ML3 psyker could be 100% sure he would have all the spells, and GW's current design paradigm is that you are not allowed to be sure which powers you will have, Primaris aside.

Now that the lores have been updated to the full 6 spells each, there is no reason for the limitation and it was lifted.

**zamerion**

Veterannoob Thanks for all.

2 questions with reliqs.

Fleshmetal exoskeleton (30) armor 2+ + gains IWND; this is invulnerable or armor?

Also some items for example:
Hyrda’s Teeth (15) bolter gets blast, ignore cover, poison 2+;
And
Bolts of ecstatic vexation (15) bolt weapons gain blast, ignores cover and pinning;

Its to the model, or the unit or the army? XD

Thankss

**Starfarer**

Death Guard (yeah, baby!!) Count the Seven!
must: Typhus only unique; only Nurgle marks; VotLW; DP need Mk Nurgle; psykers can take all from Nurgle
gain: Gift of Nurgle: VotLW gain fearless & FnP but -1 initiative (doesn’t affect Typhus or Plague marines); Inexorable Advance: VotLW get relentless; Lords of Plague Host: Plague Marines are troops
WT: FnP;IWNDie; +1 W; Eternal warrior; improved Poison by 1; units w/in 7” get contagion
relics:
PPuscleaver (10)poison 2+ weapon;
plague skill Glothia (15) once/game range 8” S1 AP - assault 1,poison 2+ lg blast
Pandemic Staff (30); poison 2+ staff[range template S1 Ap5 assault 1opison 2][melee S+2 AP4, melee, concussive, poison 2];
Dolorus Knell (25) start friendly fight sub phase give units fear; give a dude fear,
Poxwalker Hive (20) at start of each turn FnP to friendly cultist w/in 7”. can’t run or shot rest of game but have FnP & fearless. & D3 cultists come back to life;
Plaguebringer (35) AP3 poison 4+ deamon weapon
army: Disgustingly Resilient: re-roll FnP rolls of 1; Cloud of Flies: ranged hits more than 18” away give you stealth rule for resolving attack
core: Chaos wdrbamd; Plague Colony (Typhus + 3-7 plague marines—gain fear & enemy units w/in7” reduce I & WS by 1 in fight phase, if 7 plague marines add -1 Toughness to that)
command: Lord of Legion
aux: Lost and the Damned + 8
obj: Vp if 3+ your units on enemy table half; make 7 FnP rolls; kill unit w/weapon or psychic power using poisoned; name a IC and VP if he lives; D3Vp if you control EXACTLY 3 obj; kill 7 models (improves)
Access to full discipline of Nurgle 6 + primaris

VeteranNoob, thanks for all the info - I've got a few questions about my favorite legion.

On the Poxwalker Hive, just to be clear, it's stating the cultists can't run or shoot but gain fearless and FNP(6+)? So basically 20 points to become plague zombies instead of paying the Typhus tax? Also confused why it says they have to be within 7" to get FNP, but also says they get FNP and Fearless but cant shoot or run the rest of the game. Do they just get infected and then go on their way?

On a separate note, im wondering what people think about how to run Death Guard terminators? The FNP is obviously a boon, but Fearless is probably the key thing, especially for 3 man squads. Haven't played in a long while(2-3 years), are people still doing 3 man combi melta suicide squads? Combi plasma?

How do people forsee the impact of terminators and obliterators changing now with FNP and Fearless?

**Perth**

Thanks for answering my question about Alpha Legion's shrouded. Now that I've slept on it, I have some more.

First, is the Alpha Legion bonus for Cultists regenerating a formation benefit? Seems odd if it is due to the cultist formation already having that.

Second is a little bigger. Can you clarify exactly what bonuses require units of certain size, and do they go away if the unit drops below that mark?

**Nightlord1987**

Time to repaint my Crimson Slaughter (nurgle) bikers into Rusty Red Death Guard bikers instead!

**MagicJuggler**

Hey VeteranNoob, was still wondering if any of the Relics have clauses like "Warpsmith-Only", "Cannot be taken by a Daemon Prince", etc. I'd like to know if I can give Combat Drugs to a Slaaneshi-Prince as a giant chem-lab experiment for example, or so.

Also, if the Word Bearers WL trait for an extra Psychic Mastery level can be used on a vehicle character, for that Psychic Dreadnought Chaos has been wanting for awhile. :>