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 Nurglitch wrote:
I've heard 4'x4', but no first-hand knowledge.

I believe 4x4 for a maniple face off. Scale as necessary from there

They said the idea is that you'd play on a normal sized 40k table, but at 4'x4' there's room left over for the titan command terminals.

The only thing I don't like about the new terrain is it looks too cube-ish. Like children's alphabet blocks.

So, couple questions on sizes; are the warlords the same size as current 40k knights? Smaller? The knights in this game the same size as current SMs? Bigger/smaller? Those are about the sizes they look to me, which is why I’m asking.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So, couple questions on sizes; are the warlords the same size as current 40k knights? Smaller? The knights in this game the same size as current SMs? Bigger/smaller? Those are about the sizes they look to me, which is why I’m asking.

Smaller. Here's a picture of them next to each other. The Knights are about the size of a Primaris marine.

http://steppingbetweengames.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/received_532974283797731.jpg

BrianDavion wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Wait, it’s $290 for the core game?! Damn...

290 for the "eneugh gak for two people to sit down and play" If you don't want terrain and only want 1 warlord and knight lance you can save a fair bit of moola


changing the subject though, for those who lucked out and snagged an early copy, they implied rules for some select titan legions? is that indeed a thing?

Don't let the believers fool ya, it is GW propreganda all day long. Justifying a price doesn't make it any better. A lot of the starters come with a decent starting force to play their games..... just at half the price.

The mega box crap is just another way for rich men to show off their Ferraris.

We get a Ferraris in the box too?

I mean you can't complain about the boxed set price without complaining about the price for all the individual parts and then considering that they are priced fairly similar to other things that GW currently produces just means that you're then randomly complaining about GW prices in general (which has nothing to do with AT alone).


I'll freely admit GW has some odd prices that still need adjustment to be fair and to fit into their current pricing structure *looking at you Daughters of Khaine Witch Aelves*

MongooseMatt wrote:

JWBS wrote:
[ I found it oddly cathartic for this Knight though, first thing I've built in years, just gradually cruised through it in between Hearthstone games or watching Starcraft 2 vods on YT

I always have something on while I build and paint. These Warlords are being powered by 7 seasons of Prime Suspect (Helen Mirren goodness ).

Incidentally, I found Knights to be _super_ easy and quick to paint - do the metal skeleton all in one go, then armour plates, then edging - finish with the details. I am expecting these Warlords to be much the same, and should be finished sometime on Saturday afternoon, I think. The bases will be complete on Sunday.

Lol. I looked to download a series or two of PS about a year ago, couldn't find it, but I did watch an updated version (a prequel, set in the 60s or 70s where Mirren is a new recruit. It was ok, reminded me of Life on Mars without the surrealist element).

Legios Gyphonicus and Tempestus have specific Traits and Wargear.

Hope someone makes some templates at epic scale in the near future. I want a Warlord to paint, and the rules to play, but will happily stick to my existing titans in all honesty.

Being on 50/40mmm round bases will make the new templates not so useful though...

 JonWebb wrote:
Hope someone makes some templates at epic scale in the near future. I want a Warlord to paint, and the rules to play, but will happily stick to my existing titans in all honesty.

Being on 50/40mmm round bases will make the new templates not so useful though...

You don't need them with round bases, really. Just mark where your front point is and take a 90 degree sector with that in the middle. For front corridor, just draw a line as wide as the base directly forwards.

Unless you meant the blast templates? Which should retain their shape, you might just want to reduce their size a bit to compensate for smaller bases, maybe by 30-40% ?

So it's ages since I bought, let alone pre-ordered, anything from GW, and as my irritation at the GM pricing subsides I acknowledge that both the rule set and the Knights seem reasonably (for Gw) priced.

So I figure I'll nab the rules, use the terrain from my DZC starter (which I got for a fricken steal and has a 6x4 table's worth of boards and buildings) and worry about Titans as the releases roll out (it's not like I'll be realistically playing the game for a few months at least anyway.)

So, my question is, who does the biggest pre-order discounts in U.K. stores? I seem to remember someone offering 25% on pre orders, but can't recall who.

UK stores, typically;
Element Games 20%
Outpost 20-25%
Goblin Gaming 20%

These are typical preorder prices, Goblin and Element also offer reward points on purchases which roughly equate to around 1% back, Element lets you use any amount but Goblin you need enough to get £1 back minimum.

Triple Helix is sometimes 25% BUT I have heard mixed things about them so personally I always use one of the above 3 as Element only let me down once on a non GW product and same for Outpost. Goblin have never let me down on anything including such hilarities as Shadow Wars Armageddon.

Wayland Games are also pretty high on the discount, although can sometimes have more orders than they do stock (though they are lot better than they were). Element games seems to have similar or slightly less but from what I've seen holds about the biggest amount of stock.

Firestorm Games are good and often one I order from, not quite as good a discount, but often more stock and faster than Wayland

 Sherrypie wrote:

 JonWebb wrote:
Hope someone makes some templates at epic scale in the near future. I want a Warlord to paint, and the rules to play, but will happily stick to my existing titans in all honesty.

Being on 50/40mmm round bases will make the new templates not so useful though...

You don't need them with round bases, really. Just mark where your front point is and take a 90 degree sector with that in the middle. For front corridor, just draw a line as wide as the base directly forwards.

Unless you meant the blast templates? Which should retain their shape, you might just want to reduce their size a bit to compensate for smaller bases, maybe by 30-40% ?

Good to know

I wasn't sure if there was more to it than quarters and the fire corridor (which was my major concern). If its that easy, I should be golden.

Worst case I will fudge it a bit, as its only going to be me and my GF playing.

Thanks for that.

I wouldn't be that put out of there was a month delay before Reavers were released, and then another month till Warhounds.

First, I just don't paint that fast.

Second, my discretionary income needs some time to refresh.

Love the concept of destructible terrain. That could result in some serious fun, as well as presenting some interesting scenario possibilities...

TwilightSparkles wrote:UK stores, typically;
Element Games 20%
Outpost 20-25%
Goblin Gaming 20%

These are typical preorder prices, Goblin and Element also offer reward points on purchases which roughly equate to around 1% back, Element lets you use any amount but Goblin you need enough to get £1 back minimum.

Triple Helix is sometimes 25% BUT I have heard mixed things about them so personally I always use one of the above 3 as Element only let me down once on a non GW product and same for Outpost. Goblin have never let me down on anything including such hilarities as Shadow Wars Armageddon.

Overread wrote:Wayland Games are also pretty high on the discount, although can sometimes have more orders than they do stock (though they are lot better than they were). Element games seems to have similar or slightly less but from what I've seen holds about the biggest amount of stock.

Firestorm Games are good and often one I order from, not quite as good a discount, but often more stock and faster than Wayland

Thanks chaps, I've pretty good experience with most of the big names (and some of the little ones!) so I know who's who, but nobody explicitly does 25% on pre orders? Im sure I used to get their newsletter, but I've unsubscribed from so much over the last year to cut down junk email I just can't remember who it was.

Most won't have their pre-orders up until tomorrow - Wayland I know normally hsa them out once GW UK has them out. So I'd wait till then before making any choices.

A user on FB just posted a few photos of the new AT titans along side some of the old space Marine models from Epic. These look pretty good!

Despite all the mentions I think that's the first proper photo I've seen of the rear railings! Fantastic detail

 Collinsas wrote:
A user on FB just posted a few photos of the new AT titans along side some of the old space Marine models from Epic. These look pretty good!

That last picture of the Marine on the rear balcony really shows how perfectly in-scale these new Titans are!

For those asking if this is or is not a lead item for Epic, it may seem that the designers are keeping a lid on their ambitions in the video clips and statements. There does appear places in the rules for smaller unit types. For example...

Void shields are always deemed to have passed their save rolls against Strength 3 weapons or less. But there are no weapons in the game that are S3. So, (he reasons) thier must be a S3 weapon somewhere, and their must be a troop type it would be good against, somewhere.

and...all models have a size class. Knights are Class 3. Not, you may note '1'.....

I'll get some pics for you tomorrow, not allowed to "go loud" until then, but I have a partially assembled Warlord stepping on a Sicaran on my hobby table tonight.

It's been a long time since I was this hyped for a release. :-)

Does anyone know what Legio this Warlord belongs to? Really like the paint scheme but can't seem to find any info on it. (sorry if this is in the wrong place, but I can't find the answer anywhere.)

MarkNorfolk wrote:
For those asking if this is or is not a lead item for Epic, it may seem that the designers are keeping a lid on their ambitions in the video clips and statements. There does appear places in the rules for smaller unit types. For example...

Void shields are always deemed to have passed their save rolls against Strength 3 weapons or less. But there are no weapons in the game that are S3. So, (he reasons) thier must be a S3 weapon somewhere, and their must be a troop type it would be good against, somewhere.

and...all models have a size class. Knights are Class 3. Not, you may note '1'.....

The Avenger Gatling Cannon (Knight weapon) is S3.

Clearly they left some design room. It doesn't mean that other units are actually coming, and the designers have been very clear about that.

Also even if Epic is coming its clear that AT has to first advance its story setting a lot; which means waiting for GW to release waves of Imperial titans then waves of chaos titans then advancing the story to release ork, eldar, tyranid, necron etc.... titans LONG before any epic models.

So chances are we are looking at 5 years or so

Not having seen the rules, I wonder if the size class represents something else, too (e.g. the strength of an improvised melee attack?) so that Size 3 could be the minimum.

On the other hand, a degree of future-proofing makes more sense. Also, the Realm of Battle tiles they've made feature a couple of crashed Xiphon interceptors and a wrecked Leman Russ, so the CAD assets are lurking on someone's PC ...

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Not having seen the rules, I wonder if the size class represents something else, too (e.g. the strength of an improvised melee attack?) so that Size 3 could be the minimum.

On the other hand, a degree of future-proofing makes more sense. Also, the Realm of Battle tiles they've made feature a couple of crashed Xiphon interceptors and a wrecked Leman Russ, so the CAD assets are lurking on someone's PC ...

it affect "smash" CC attack with Str equal to your scale +1. Look like you can smash once in combat phase and once when you charge.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Not having seen the rules, I wonder if the size class represents something else, too (e.g. the strength of an improvised melee attack?) so that Size 3 could be the minimum.

On the other hand, a degree of future-proofing makes more sense. Also, the Realm of Battle tiles they've made feature a couple of crashed Xiphon interceptors and a wrecked Leman Russ, so the CAD assets are lurking on someone's PC ...

Size class gets used all over the place. Reactor explosions are d6+size, for example, as is the ‘crush line’ of a Titanfall.

As for future-proofing, yeah, I’m pretty sure there was at least one interview back when this was going to be a resin-only deal that indicated the rules were designed to have room to fit infantry in, even if titans would always be the focus.

 gorgon wrote:

MarkNorfolk wrote:
For those asking if this is or is not a lead item for Epic, it may seem that the designers are keeping a lid on their ambitions in the video clips and statements. There does appear places in the rules for smaller unit types. For example...

Void shields are always deemed to have passed their save rolls against Strength 3 weapons or less. But there are no weapons in the game that are S3. So, (he reasons) thier must be a S3 weapon somewhere, and their must be a troop type it would be good against, somewhere.

and...all models have a size class. Knights are Class 3. Not, you may note '1'.....

The Avenger Gatling Cannon (Knight weapon) is S3.

Clearly they left some design room. It doesn't mean that other units are actually coming, and the designers have been very clear about that.

I suspect the long term plan is finish the Imperial/Chaos stuff (and the HH books mention other titans by name so they might have some other ideas on the slate) and then expand into other races. If I had to make a long term guess, oince they finish with Imperial stuff we'll get

Eldar with Wraight knights, Reverant scout titans and Phantoms (Maybe a new third type, or maybe just a Warlock Titan)

then Orks with Morkonought/Gorkonoguhts, Stompas, and gargants.

And Maybe Tyranids with their Bio titans if they wanna move beyond the Heresy,

Necrons and Tau both basicly lack titans, so proably shouldn't be included. unless/until they move to epic.

realisticly this would be a release schedule for proably a good 5 years. at which time they'll be in a position to consider where to go from there. and if the loigical next step is epic or "moar titans!"