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Who the hell shoots a seagull with a crossbow?

A douche.

People who hurt animals or kill them for fun piss me off. Even if the death is quick (which most psychos won't grant) there is no excuse to end an animals life just to do it.

When I hunt I'll make damn sure I know it's going to be a clean kill heart shot. If I am uncertain that the animal will die relatively quickly I won't take the shot. I've been in parties where the shooter will hit a deer, not kill it and then give up tracking it after 15 minutes because they are too lazy to see to it that the animal is dead and if not end it's life quickly. Hell, twice in my life I hit a deer on a country road and didn't kill either one. I pulled my pistol out of my cars glove box and ended their suffering right there, called the sheriffs office to report what I did (and nicely enough I wasn't punished for it) and then called insurance company and reported both accidents and in that order.

This probably wasn't just for fun. Like in the case of the recent spate of cat-poisonings near where I live, some people see these gulls as pests. They can be very aggressive.

Fateweaver wrote:A douche.

People who hurt animals or kill them for fun piss me off. Even if the death is quick (which most psychos won't grant) there is no excuse to end an animals life just to do it.

When I hunt I'll make damn sure I know it's going to be a clean kill heart shot...

Don't they have supermarkets in America?

George Spiggott wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:A douche.

People who hurt animals or kill them for fun piss me off. Even if the death is quick (which most psychos won't grant) there is no excuse to end an animals life just to do it.

When I hunt I'll make damn sure I know it's going to be a clean kill heart shot...

Don't they have supermarkets in America?

For fun doesn't equal survival. Fate is saying that you shouldn't just go out and shoot something, not that you shouldn't go hunting to eat.

Well why eat a seagull??

Why not like kill a crab if its at the beach?

Dirty bird that poops all over the place or a crab dinner.

Hmm.... I must ponder this one.

Slarg232 wrote:For fun doesn't equal survival. Fate is saying that you shouldn't just go out and shoot something, not that you shouldn't go hunting to eat.

Yep, it's him or the deer. Obama's driven him to the edge!

The Dreadnote wrote:This probably wasn't just for fun. Like in the case of the recent spate of cat-poisonings near where I live, some people see these gulls as pests. They can be very aggressive.

My wife spent a good ten years of her life in Newquay, Cornwall and she fething hates the things. She's never hurt one mind you, but she knew plenty of folks who have or tried (throwing rocks at them was common apparently,) and most folks she knew saw them as vermin.

I saw the title and thought this guy

was shot with a dart in the head. Finally his movie career is OVER!



But then you ruined my hopes and dreams with the bird variety DAMMIT!

George Spiggott wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:A douche.

People who hurt animals or kill them for fun piss me off. Even if the death is quick (which most psychos won't grant) there is no excuse to end an animals life just to do it.

When I hunt I'll make damn sure I know it's going to be a clean kill heart shot...

Don't they have supermarkets in America?

Huge difference between pigs being slaughtered for meat and someone shooting a pig just for fun.

Huge difference between shooting a deer for hunting and shooting a deer JUST to get your kicks.

How does Obama fall into this discussion? You make a jive comment about me or the deer and Obama forcing my hand with no rationale for it. I don't need to hunt to survive, obviously, but me hunting for food (and hunting does control the deer population; without hunting we'd have a lot of problems with overpopulation of deer (not that you'd understand)) is not the same as shooting something just to shoot something.

Fateweaver wrote:Huge difference between shooting a deer for hunting and shooting a deer JUST to get your kicks.

There's a pleasure element in both. If you disliked killing animals you'd buy them pre killed or avoid eating them. You aren't necessarily bad for hunting but it's not something I'd be comfortable with.

Fateweaver wrote:...and hunting does control the deer population; without hunting we'd have a lot of problems with overpopulation of deer (not that you'd understand))

Why, is it incredibly complicated or a US specific thing? English deer aren't like that at all, very chaste, no funny business before marriage.

Fateweaver wrote:How does Obama fall into this discussion?

Trying to resist the urge to sig this...

George Spiggott wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Huge difference between shooting a deer for hunting and shooting a deer JUST to get your kicks.

There's a pleasure element in both. If you disliked killing animals you'd buy them pre killed or avoid eating them. You aren't necessarily bad for hunting but it's not something I'd be comfortable with.

Fateweaver wrote:...and hunting does control the deer population; without hunting we'd have a lot of problems with overpopulation of deer (not that you'd understand))

Why, is it incredibly complicated or a US specific thing? English deer aren't like that at all, very chaste, no funny business before marriage.

Fateweaver wrote:How does Obama fall into this discussion?

Trying to resist the urge to sig this...

Doing something out of necessity does not equate to getting pleasure from it. I don't derive pleasure from seeing a dentist but if I don't my teeth might fall out of my head. I COULD buy venison but why buy it when I can kill it for far cheaper? The downside to hunting is that it's not exactly warm out during hunting season. I'd prefer hunting season in July when I can go out in a pair of shorts and a tshirt/tank top.

Deer hunting is mainly for helping to control the deer population. Same goes for bear and grouse and pheasant. You don't normally eat bear but the hunting is allowed to help bring the population down. State hunting laws differ. There is no Federal mandate for hunting. Some states do it at different times of year and not all states allow the same things to be hunted (obviously Mn doesn't have a Cougar problem). Nice try at a joke but yeah, without hunting (at least in Mn) the deer would overpopulate leading to all kinds of eco-balance issues.

Fateweaver wrote:Doing something out of necessity does not equate to getting pleasure from it. I don't derive pleasure from seeing a dentist but if I don't my teeth might fall out of my head.

Different strokes for different folks. Going to the dentist is my hobby, I enjoy it (it's the new train-spotting here). Similarly hunting is your hobby and you enjoy it. You can cut the stone killer act now, it does you no credit. You can admit that you like hunting, I won't think any less of you. I enjoy eating meat, but that's ok because the animals I eat died by magic in their sleep.

Its a fething winged rat.
Live down by the sea.
They are a pain in the arse, all they do is gak on cars all day and scrounge for food.

And Fateweaver: You say go for a clean heartshot.
A headshot is 100% more effective and a much easier target.
However, you dont usually expect to see it alive afterwards.

George Spiggott wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Doing something out of necessity does not equate to getting pleasure from it. I don't derive pleasure from seeing a dentist but if I don't my teeth might fall out of my head.

Different strokes for different folks. Going to the dentist is my hobby, I enjoy it (it's the new train-spotting here). Similarly hunting is your hobby and you enjoy it. You can cut the stone killer act now, it does you no credit. You can admit that you like hunting, I won't think any less of you. I enjoy eating meat, but that's ok because the animals I eat died by magic in their sleep.

I didn't say I don't like hunting.

Trust me, you aren't the first to balk at the phenomenon that is hunting here in Mn. Employers even allow for employees to take the duration of hunting season (3-4 weeks) from work to go shoot at Bambi and her parents. I know not all states treat hunting the same. I'd guess there isn't as big of a hoopla over hunting in Florida vs Minnesota or the Dakotas.

There are some aspects of hunting I don't enjoy but I guess it's okay. I like venison and most chain grocers don't carry it and butchers charge quite a bit for it.


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۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Its a fething winged rat.
Live down by the sea.
They are a pain in the arse, all they do is gak on cars all day and scrounge for food.

And Fateweaver: You say go for a clean heartshot.
A headshot is 100% more effective and a much easier target.
However, you dont usually expect to see it alive afterwards.

You don't normally headshot a deer. It's much easier to hit a deer in the chest cavity than in the head. Deer skull is thicker than a human skull so if you are shooting from far off or using a lower caliber round you run the risk of just wounding it and even with the rapid blood loss of a headshot it's going to run 100's of yards before it collapses from blood loss. If you can stop it's heart right away it's not going very far (maybe a few steps).

If you bow hunt, well you definitely don't aim for the head.

A 30-06 will blow it's heart pretty much in half so long as you are anywhere within a few inches. At 300yards a headshot even with a 30-06 won't kill a deer instantly.

Though here in Mn the deer are so tame you could hunt them with a pistol. One of my good buddies went out last year with a scoped .44 mag.

Fateweaver wrote:I didn't say I don't like hunting.

So you do kill animals for fun (and profit). I know it sounds harsh that way but it is true. It's needless waste and torture (slow deaths) you despise, not killing.

Fateweaver wrote:Trust me, you aren't the first to balk at the phenomenon that is hunting here in Mn.

It's certainly not what I'm used to. It doesn't hold any great appeal for me, I'm not repulsed by it. Maybe I'm too much of a city boy.

I don't profit from hunting. I save money but I don't make money. Fun is still the wrong adjective I think. I guess I don't call it fun because I find 40K "fun", I find "WoW" fun and I know I don't hold hunting in the same level of fun as those 2.

Minnesota and Wisconsin I think make hunting into some sort of quasi-religious experience. Sporting goods stores have huge sales, the local paper increases by 3 pages to cover hunting stories; restaurants open 2-3 hours earlier in the morning and as mentioned earlier employers are more lax about vacation time for their workers during those 3 weeks.

I have lots of friends in other states and most of them report their home states have no "season" for hunting or it's just not overly important.

I'm party city boy. I like a lot of things about living in the metropolis but too much of me likes the outdoors to ever call any metropolis "home".

Fateweaver wrote:I don't profit from hunting. I save money but I don't make money. Fun is still the wrong adjective I think. I guess I don't call it fun because I find 40K "fun", I find "WoW" fun and I know I don't hold hunting in the same level of fun as those 2.

I was using 'profit' as shorthand for financial gain (or rather less financial expenditure). Although given the cost of the weapons, ammunition and such I wonder how much cheaper the meat really is. The level of 'fun' isn't important unless you really got off on the killing aspect (which you obviously don't).

Hunting is quite a bit cheaper. Normally the gun is probably a once in a long time purchase, 30-06 rounds aren't TOO expensive and beer isn't too pricey either (can't hunt without the obligatory 24pack in the truck).

Again, it's not easy to grasp when not from around these parts. There are a lot of states who's populace would be reacting like you. Hunting is more of a midwestern thing I think (at least in the caliber of Mn, Wis and the Dakotas).

Hunting up here isn't too hard. Like I said, the deer will come within pistol range so long as you aren't making a gak ton of noise.

KingCracker wrote:I saw the title and thought this guy

was shot with a dart in the head. Finally his movie career is OVER!



But then you ruined my hopes and dreams with the bird variety DAMMIT!

Don't worry, he's too busy training(and being) Louisiana Deputies to make movies.

Fateweaver wrote:You don't normally headshot a deer. It's much easier to hit a deer in the chest cavity than in the head. Deer skull is thicker than a human skull so if you are shooting from far off or using a lower caliber round you run the risk of just wounding it and even with the rapid blood loss of a headshot it's going to run 100's of yards before it collapses from blood loss. If you can stop it's heart right away it's not going very far (maybe a few steps).

Yep...totally right. See, someone obviously taught you how to do things the right way. You and I aren't gonna agree on all things political, but I respect you for being a good sportsman. It's good to hear about good sportsmen out there when there seem to be too many idiots ruining the sport for others these days.

FWIW, there's still plenty of hunting in PA, although the number of hunters is really down and the game commission is trying to do whatever it can to encourage more young hunters. I dunno what the heck the state's going to do to curb populations as the hunters age. It's going to be a real problem, I'm afraid.

I really don't get to hunt anymore. And honestly, I think I've lost the taste for deer hunting. What I really miss is rabbit hunting with our beagles. The interaction with the dogs really made it a great experience. I'd love to get back to that someday.

Fateweaver wrote:Again, it's not easy to grasp when not from around these parts. There are a lot of states who's populace would be reacting like you.

No, really it is very easy to grasp. You hunt for fun, you enjoy killing animals. You're the one reacting, you can't have it both ways. I can accept what you do, why can't you?

George Spiggott wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Again, it's not easy to grasp when not from around these parts. There are a lot of states who's populace would be reacting like you.

No, really it is very easy to grasp. You hunt for fun, you enjoy killing animals. You're the one reacting, you can't have it both ways. I can accept what you do, why can't you?

They get pleasure from it, and they help control the population. Wheres the f-ing problem?

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
My wife spent a good ten years of her life in Newquay, Cornwall and she fething hates the things. She's never hurt one mind you, but she knew plenty of folks who have or tried (throwing rocks at them was common apparently,) and most folks she knew saw them as vermin.

They are pretty much vermin. They pull stuff out of bins, and snatch food from peoples hands where I live. They're quite malicious minded little bastards. The worst thing is they actually swoop for you and try to hit you with their sh*t.

K. Calm down. I'm not meaning to insult you George.



What sickens me is when people throw Alka-Seltzer tablets at them. They swallow 2 or 3 or more because they don't know better and it causes their stomach to swell until it bursts. Painful way to die, having your stomach acids eating your insides. Their cry of pain is not one I like to hear. If I could legally shoot someone for doing that to the sea gulls I would.

You gotta admit...that is a killer head piece


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KingCracker wrote:I saw the title and thought this guy

was shot with a dart in the head. Finally his movie career is OVER!



But then you ruined my hopes and dreams with the bird variety DAMMIT!

aww cmon, man. I love Steven. He may be goofy, and he may be big, and he may kind of suck at acting (the awesome kind, a la Arnold Scharzenegger), but he will kick your ass.

IG_urban wrote:aww cmon, man. I love Steven. He may be goofy, and he may be big, and he may kind of suck at acting (the awesome kind, a la Arnold Scharzenegger), but he will kick your ass.

In 1993, sure.

These days you're in trouble if he sits on you with his ass, but otherwise you should be fine if you walk away swiftly.