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DeathGod wrote:Fallout 3 is a mid-October release, and it looks AMAZAZING...

It does. Looks and plays nothing like a Fallout game, but it does look amazing, whatever it really is.

BYE

stonefox wrote:What's the potential for griefing in this game? That alone will determine if this game won't be seen as yet another WoW clone. PvP quests and battleground-like zones sound good, but unless there's a way to really grief with a good bunch of guys it won't be as fun.

In other words, how hard is it to siege the opposing city in the end game (like the devs said was possible)? That seems to be the extent of the end game unless they make boring dungeon raids a big thing. If it's awesome, pubbie tears will flow.

Griefing is limited to the "tiers".

Each tier is 10 levels.

So no level 50s ganking level 10s.

YAY?

They may not have taken a third of the content out, but they sure did take a lot out (including the ability to siege 2 out of the 3 capitals per side and a few of the classes). In my MMO experience, dating back to UO in '98, rushing an MMO out and cutting content to make a deadline is not a very good idea.
In any case, this game has a lot of potential because it is enough like WoW to bring some people over but it also has much more of a PvP focus which trends indicate is becoming more popular again (finally!) as evidenced by battlegrounds being big in Wow, AoC, and Darkfall.
I think its at least worth giving the game a shot.

On Fallout 3: In a way I am sad because it looks much different from 1 and 2 which I loved but what is different I must admit looks really good. As long as the FPSness requires some sort of tactics and doesn't feel like DOOM or Unreal with the ability to pause I'll be happy.

SuperCow wrote:They may not have taken a third of the content out, but they sure did take a lot out (including the ability to siege 2 out of the 3 capitals per side and a few of the classes). In my MMO experience, dating back to UO in '98, rushing an MMO out and cutting content to make a deadline is not a very good idea.

Nor does delaying it every 6 months because you're trying to cram more stuff in.

And the game lost 2 classes and all but 2 of the capital cities. They've already said they're going to add the other cities in post-release.

BYE

I'm actually looking forward to WAR - a lot.

Me and a group of mates used to play a game called Planetside (a MMOFPS) where we would organise awesome raids on Towers/Bases/Enemy Convoys) as an Outfit. Truely an awesome sense of a co-ordinated military operation.

After SOE basically abandoned the game to rot, we fled to WoW, it just didn't have the same feel. From what i've heard from WAR, they'l be tower raids n' stuff.

Both classes I want to play are Goblins.... apparently that means I can be eaten by the mean Black Orcs >.<

Aduro wrote:Expect to see Blizzard move up the release date for Lich King now. I'd wager the week before WAR comes out.

This won't happen.

I work in the video game industry and there's no way that they'll get anywhere near a simo release. Anything that close loses all it's marketing edge and the product stumbles in sales. With all their collector's pre-orders sold, people are already time invested in that time, so even if they DO put a product, it's going to sit on the shelf.

Waiting for a few months is the perfect time for a release.

A third taken out? Yea, math is hard. And I'd much rather have content taken out instead of shipping it with lots of bugs (See: SWG). Nooooo I'll wait for it to be done right, and then added in later. But people will always complaint because, you know, we all hate new content that's being added into a game that we're already playing.

Compared to WoW, any new MMO is only ever going to be a 'niche' game. The only question regarding WAR's success or failure is, in my opinion, whether the playerbase it does attract (and retain) is enough to return adequate profits, so any argument or speculation about competing with WoW is barking up the wrong tree.

And I'm not a WoW fanboi - never touched the game. EQ since '99 for me!

stonefox wrote:What's the potential for griefing in this game? That alone will determine if this game won't be seen as yet another WoW clone. PvP quests and battleground-like zones sound good, but unless there's a way to really grief with a good bunch of guys it won't be as fun.

In other words, how hard is it to siege the opposing city in the end game (like the devs said was possible)? That seems to be the extent of the end game unless they make boring dungeon raids a big thing. If it's awesome, pubbie tears will flow.

Unless there's a way TO really grief, it won't be as fun? Are you saying you would prefer to grief other players out looking to enjoy their own thing or have I misread you? Well, one way or another, from what I've seen on YouTube and read little bits about, griefing is difficult to do. If a higher level player goes into a PVP zone not appropriate for his level, he gets turned into a chicken (yep, a literal clucking chicken) and can only do a tiny attack, and can get one-shotted quickly. I'm not sure if this is the case everywhere in the game, but the PVP zones area like this.

The city sieges are supposed to be the end game, and Karl Franz is the biggest enemy to hit if you are Destruction. Takes a lot of doing to get there from what I understand.

You can't just siege a capitol. You have to claim the areas leading up to it and control the keeps before then. You have to do it in strategic phases.

I'm also a little unclear on what are wanting Necro.

People used to say the same things about Everquest. Nothing can ever challenge it. Eventually something does...

The Grog wrote:So, we need a Dakka Dakka guild now. Anybody else have interest?

lol, depends on what side? I'll definately be playing an ork

Chris Gohlinghorst wrote:From my talks with the Mythic staff at Games Days, the Collector's Edition is sold out globally. You'll have to find a copy on ebay or hope someone fails to pick their up at a local retailer.

I was able to walk into HMV today (who are the UK exclusive store based retailer) and pre-order a copy. They claimed they were nowhere near selling out.

They aren't giving out the pre-order boxes, but I don't give a stuff about that anyway. It's all about the shiney books and lovely Orc.

Phazer

It's fanboism. WoW sucks balls and always has. I've loved every other Blizzard game, but WoW failed hard. Average at best, but more expensive than your average piece of average. If Blizz use all of their wow money to make a good game I'll be happy, but these expansions are ticking me off.

Want to be a Skavie in WAR, but probably won't happen... torn between epileptic knight of good and chaotic marauder of evil.

18th of Sep is the day before my birthday... but with no Fallout 3 in Australia, and now that I know I'm missing out on a lunchbox and a bobble-head, I might just go back to UT04 and give up playing anything else ever, forever.

Who wants to pre-order F3 for me and ship it to Australia?

Kanluwen wrote:

stonefox wrote:What's the potential for griefing in this game? That alone will determine if this game won't be seen as yet another WoW clone. PvP quests and battleground-like zones sound good, but unless there's a way to really grief with a good bunch of guys it won't be as fun.

In other words, how hard is it to siege the opposing city in the end game (like the devs said was possible)? That seems to be the extent of the end game unless they make boring dungeon raids a big thing. If it's awesome, pubbie tears will flow.

Griefing is limited to the "tiers".

Each tier is 10 levels.

So no level 50s ganking level 10s.

YAY?

Are you saying you would prefer to grief other players out looking to enjoy their own thing or have I misread you?

Eh, that's more just plain ol' ganking. Griefing is more like playing practical jokes that inhibits other players. Like being so good with a guild that you can keep a city locked under siege for a week, preventing the other guys from doing their thing. Or being good with a bunch of guys so you can do, or help others do, a PvP quest repeatedly while keeping the other side under lockdown.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:It's fanboism. WoW sucks balls and always has. I've loved every other Blizzard game, but WoW failed hard. Average at best, but more expensive than your average piece of average. If Blizz use all of their wow money to make a good game I'll be happy, but these expansions are ticking me off.

Want to be a Skavie in WAR, but probably won't happen... torn between epileptic knight of good and chaotic marauder of evil.

18th of Sep is the day before my birthday... but with no Fallout 3 in Australia, and now that I know I'm missing out on a lunchbox and a bobble-head, I might just go back to UT04 and give up playing anything else ever, forever.

Who wants to pre-order F3 for me and ship it to Australia?

Well, then you have Diablo 3 to look forward to now.

I enjoyed WoW for more than a year until BC came out. BC killed all the raiding that I liked with the reputation quests. I could no longer raid because I was not high enough in reputation to reach the "heroic" instances but as I had a RL and a job I could not spend the unholy ammount of time required to farm the reputation so I could not raid and gain reputation.....

I quit WoW about 3 months after BC came out and promised myself that I was not going to spend a minute of my time in another game that needs endless grinding.

WAR doesn´t have undead as a player race so that´s a no no for me but if gameplay is not grinding oriented i might give it a try after a while.

M.

Necroagogo wrote:Compared to WoW, any new MMO is only ever going to be a 'niche' game. The only question regarding WAR's success or failure is, in my opinion, whether the playerbase it does attract (and retain) is enough to return adequate profits, so any argument or speculation about competing with WoW is barking up the wrong tree.

And I'm not a WoW fanboi - never touched the game. EQ since '99 for me!

Lol, you could change 2 words in this post WoW=everquest, and WAR=WoW and you would have what the sony fans thought. But if you were a eq fan you already know this.

I think I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon.

WAR? What is it good for..?

@ Orock: LOL - yup. I remember when EQ was HUGE with its 500k accounts. Nothing could ever POSSIBLY top that!!!

Somehow, I can't see WAR as having the multiplier on its subscriber base that WoW enjoyed once it became top dog.

Only way to kill off WOW would be to get South Korea interested in another game. But seeing as they revere Blizzard as a new clique of gods..

The Phazer wrote:

Chris Gohlinghorst wrote:From my talks with the Mythic staff at Games Days, the Collector's Edition is sold out globally. You'll have to find a copy on ebay or hope someone fails to pick their up at a local retailer.

I was able to walk into HMV today (who are the UK exclusive store based retailer) and pre-order a copy. They claimed they were nowhere near selling out.

They aren't giving out the pre-order boxes, but I don't give a stuff about that anyway. It's all about the shiney books and lovely Orc.

Phazer

Go back and reread what you quoted, then reread what you said.

Of course they have plenty of PREORDERS left. They are out of COLLECTORS EDITIONS.

Pre orders do no have the comic nor the orc, just us early adopters get those.

For anyone (me) who's into Command & Conquer, CCRA3 will include a Russian War Bear code for the Warhams Online game.


It might not be a hamster, but bears are cute, fuzzy creatures too. (Skip to 3:30)

I have to say I'm not happy about about putting an item for the game in another game. I've enjoyed the C&C games but have no interest in buying it. I do like bears though. Now I have to find someone getting C&C3 that isn't going to play Warhams Online. :(

Slave wrote:Go back and reread what you quoted, then reread what you said.

Of course they have plenty of PREORDERS left. They are out of COLLECTORS EDITIONS.

Pre orders do no have the comic nor the orc, just us early adopters get those.

No, I have a pre-order for the Collectors Edition at £70. Have a reciept and everything.

Phazer

Second the Skaven part (want to play one), second the MMO part (never played one, WOW-trial frightened me), second the Fallout 3 Part (is this still Fallout? Bethesda makes different games than the classic ones afaik).

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. I still would be happy If a Warhammer game wouldn't suck. Dark omen was the last awesome one, imo, easily outclassing mark of chaos)

Yeah, I think that GW/Mythic are missing out on a big segment of the Warhammer-playing market that want to play Skaven. I mean, all the other MMORPGs have dwarves and elves and humans and orks. So what? Big deal? Want to differentiate yourself? Allow rat-men as a playable race.

I have hopes that WAR will give WoW a good run for it's money. WoW has had little in the way of competition when it comes to the MMO's because of Blizzards past successes (i.e.; Warcraft, Starcraft, Diablo...etc). They had the money to soak into making a good MMO without challenge. But now GW has come along and not only do they have some serious money to invest but they also have years of material to build on. As someone mentioned before, there is always someone better then you out there.

Btw, there is a thread in the video games board here on dakka about setting up a guild already for anyone interested in it. I should be getting into the beta shortly due to the CE edition of the game I bought so I'll post my reviews asap on the general first impressions.


Cheers.

</shameless plug on> Oh and check out the Too Human demo if you have a 360. </shameless plug off>

I would still play it if it was just the Morrowind engine with different models. And online play.

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Well, then you have Diablo 3 to look forward to now.