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Kid_Kyoto wrote:We really need to get HBMC to post his army one of these days.

We're going to need a bigger lens...

Valhallan42nd wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:We really need to get HBMC to post his army one of these days.

We're going to need a bigger lens...

H.B.M.C. wrote:I say this as a man who owns 3 10-tank Leman Russ Squadrons...

...and my brain implodes

Well, Platoon Drill is all I really want. The ability to "rank up" my redcoats and fire through each other will be amazing. As I don't really use tanks anymore, I couldn't give a flying feth about them.

Looking at the new Space Marine codex, I seriously doubt they are trying to bring everything back to 3rd Edition. And if they were, than Guardsmen would go back to being 5 points!

Besides, if Guardsmen were somehow made to be worth 7 points, that feels about right to me as they are portrayed in the fluff. They're may be trillions upon trillions of guardsmen, but the galaxy is too big a place for them to wasted as Orks or Tyranids do, and a quick look through the Uplifting Primer's medical and equipment section, and the Munitorum Manual makes it clear guardsmen are a lot less expendable than they are made out to be. They are well trained, well equipped and well armed, and they would, for the most part, beat the snot out of any modern army. Their fatigues are as tough as kevlar vests for crying out loud! I stand by my opinion that the individual infantrymen of the Guard need a boost in something.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Won't Russ Squadrons suffer from the same problems as current vehicle squadrons ie. immobilised = death?

That seems like a bad trade to me.

Anyway, I look forward to lots of pendulum swinging in the next Guard Codex. 25 point powre fists, 15 point Plasma Guns - maybe even 30 point Lascannons. 7 point Guardsmen (as they'll give them Frag Grenades as standard).

On the bright side, some things will better. If there's a new Chimera kit, Chimeras will get better. If there's a new Hellhound kit, Hellhounds will get better. The mutable platoon rules sound great (and are the correct way to do Doctrines). Storm Troopers might become useful, especially if there's a plastic kit. New Commissar models (which is always good - I love Commissars even if their rules are sh!t).

If there isn't a new Hellhound kit through, woe betide the Inferno Cannon - back to standard flamer rules for you!!!

BYE

I wouldn't be surprised if the new codex is designed to shift the emphasis away from static Leman Russ gun lines. I think if we see squadroning of Leman Russ' we'll see a cost decrease. I have to say that if GW were wanting to promote Chimera and new hellhounds it would further reinforce reasoning behind deemphasizing the Leman Russ.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm betting Jervis simply cannot wait to put the 'glancing = penetrating' rule back in for Hellhounds.

I think he just salivates in general about all the Codices he can make revert back to their original 3rd Ed versions.

BYE

Lol... the whole "glancing=penetrating" never made sense, its an overly complicated way of treating a hellhound like it has less armor. Its a bunch of Hollywood explosions physics. I mean what does a hellhound use all its interior space for that requires external fuel tanks?

*shudder* third edition

From what I heard all AC lists are illegal and obsolete, all except for the one found in Imperial Armour 1, which nobody seems to have but me. And that list isn't exactly ideal as it is written by Warwick, who writes mighty fine lists, but overprices the FW units a little to be on the safe side to prevent idiots from calling BS, something he said himself.

As for the whole view GW has on the IG now, you can forget about the "cool" image that Abnett and other writers impressed on us through their novels and the current IG codex, the 5th edition rulebook makes it clear that Guard is once more expendable cannon fodder. Just look at that campaign breakdown, the kill-loss ratio alone makes it seem like the armies deployed are poorly led and poorly trained. Cadians, the poster child of the Imperial Guard are panned as narrow minded disciplinarians now.

And knowing that Jervis is still moving behind the scenes isn't much of a comfort at all, especially with the whole "back to the roots" crap that he keeps preaching.

The rulebook is ALWAYS more depressing than the rest of the fluff. It's job is to focus on the 'grimdark' so that the basic feel of the universe is set, and from there other fluff brightens everything up a little. The 4th ed and 3rd ed are really miserable too, especially the 3rd ed discription of the Imperial Church and the 4th Ed info on daemons and the warp. If anything, the new marines look more technological, not less. I don't think it'll effect the Guard too much.

You know, the AC may go the way of the LatD, but if these rumoprs concerning tanks are close to reality, then it'll be a relief to me. I always wondered why you could never field an armoured column. I think that being able to take a larger proportion of tanks will add some interesting builds. Of course such a list would have it's strngths and weaknesses, but it'll be cool.

THose shotguns look awsome. Hopefully they will be a little better than S3.

Chances of us getting Manstopper rounds are slim to nil.

Screw tanks.

It's all about AIR POWA.

No, really.

What's the use of a Chimera when you've got a f***ing VTOL to carry your lads about?

assuming the rumor of 1-3 leman russ makes tank squadron, AC still viable by simply taking lots of tanks in your FA/HS choices, and mounting other squads in chimeras/valkyries

Ok that's nice Another question: does anyone hear somethink about new units in Fast Attack choices? I heard somewhere that it would be somethink like jeep (similar to ork trukk)? Do you know somethink? And maybe other new units that you heard?
Regards.

@SuCHaR (and anyone who dares ask this question again): Guard have already got a buggy! It is called the salamander scout vehicle. There are rules for them on the uk gw site and in imperial armor. (Apparently IA lists them as 75 points while the site has them as 100). Jeeps as transports would be cool though, if only for small units such as command squads and elite units.
I'm guessing that they'll bring in more russ varients and then something from forgeworld that they can now make in plastic. Hopefully the planes, it'll be nice to get the actual rules for them.

the only one I hurde was still 60 points for guard but they get frag an flamer for free.
not sure if this is real but its the only one I have heard of and de new plastic planes

What the hell do Guard need Frags for?

It's like when the current Codex came out, our dear departed friend Pete Haines mentioned in his designer notes that Guard could now get Krak Grenades, to which I'm sure there was a resounding "So?" from every Guard player out there.

Guard don't need Frag Grenades. We shouldn't be attacking people who are in cover unless it is with our guns.

As an aside, Kraks aren't so bad now, what with the new vehicles in HTH rules making anything with 2D6 penetration redundant.

BYE

I hope the rumor of a fast, open-topped transport turns out to be something like a Deuce and a Half.

Ok, other question: does anyone hear, or knows somethink about plan of release codexes? In october we have SM and than? IG I suppose. And after that what? DH, Necrons, maybe DE?
Regards.

No.

We don't.

GW likes to be all secretive about what they're working on. They do this either because they enjoy listening to people whine about another possible Marine 'Dex, or they like to lessen the time between revealing a new Marine 'Dex and actually releasing a new Marine 'Dex.

BYE

I like the possible return to the 2ed Platoon-building rules, with all their 'attached' units. Much more fluffy, IMO

How would that work with the FOC?

A Command Squad, three Infantry Squads and 3 Hellhounds as a single Troops Choice?

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:Won't Russ Squadrons suffer from the same problems as current vehicle squadrons ie. immobilised = death?

I guess GW wants to unload a bunch of Track Guard bits. If Leman Russ squadrons happen, I'd like to think they'd get a rule or option (like track guards) to mitigate the immobilized = destroyed rule. If the reliable C: SM rumors are any indication, 5th edition armies will be heavily differentiated by their main rules exceptions.

'Course, that'd be overkill, but it'd be nice if they did that in such a way that it'd cut down on IG kill points.

Here's hoping for updated Rough Rider models.

And yes, we already have light vehicles, namely the Salamander and the Centaur, which is a fast and light APC that can carry five.

I'd kill for a plastic Centaur to be a codex option/plastic model.

BrookM wrote:And yes, Imperial Armor already has light vehicles, namely the Salamander and the Centaur, which is a fast and light APC that can carry five.

Fixed your typo.

Don't get me wrong, the Centaur model is nice and the rules are perfect for anyone who wants to build a Humvee or other jeep-like light vehicle for their Guard. But frankly, until these make it into a Guard codex, my utility for them is limited.

only think a now is that after marines its dark elf or space wolfs.
Most peaple in gw en interviews say dark eldar.
And on forums and romers to only bolters and whats it say space wolfs first.
demon hunters en witch hunters are sad to be last codex's to be remade that was sad in a interview from gw heard thay sad thay had a 5 years plan to do all codex's.


edit it to make is more logic and speling

I'm sorry, whut?

And sorry for belonging to the "exclusives club" that is called FW.....

BrookM wrote:I'm sorry, whut?

And sorry for belonging to the "exclusives club" that is called FW.....

Sorry, that was intended as a joke, not an attack. Even if you've got IA rules, not all opponents want to play against them. If you've got a play group that you can use IA rules, that's great. For me, I want to be able to play my army in local tourneys where IA rules aren't used. Consequently, as I build my armies and play them to get them tuned for a tournament, it doesn't do me any good to build it around some IA rules that I won't be able to use when I get to the tourney.

strage we play ai role's most of the time .
than again I play apoc most f the time omost evry weekand in gw is a apoc game lol