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The air hose looks pretty standard so hooking it up to a compressor shouldn't be a problem. Besides with the proper connectors you can attach any size air hose to a compressor and whatnot.

JokerGod wrote:This would be exactly why GW did not go with a big send off for it, you haven't even tried it yet and your already bashing it.

And I would never mix GW paints with that crap you get at Wal-mart and Home depo.

I love how every one just assumes that the propellant cans will run out fast, even tho you can slow it down so you don't waist so much like with the primer spray they sell.

You're kidding right?

A can of Krylon Flat Black or White runs $4 here, GW Skull White or Chaos Black runs $10. AND they changed the formulation from a primer to an actual paint. Almost every can of Krylon primer I've had has lasted about 2x longer than any GW spray product. I honestly get better coverage while using less primer, and preserve all detail than with the GW product who has a retardedly larger than standard atomizer on the nozzle.

I think the reason people are bashing it is because they don't put in the effort to really convince customers like myself that they do do their best.

It's funny how even paint selection seems completely partisan and laden with bickering.

GW sucks, Krylon rules! No, Krylon for prez, GW is a traitor!

Whatever...

Personally, I've never understood the whole "I can get xyz for $4 at abc." So what? Why is cost a factor? I get dozens and dozens of models primed with every can of paint. I then spend several hours per model painting. Why pinch pennies on this? It's not big money, it's $4 vs $7, every 4 months. Who cares? I mean, if the $4 brand is what you're used to, and it works well, then fine. But why make cost a factor? Isn't it really the results?

What it comes down to is having a basecoat that works for the job at hand. It can't react with the paints you use later, and it has to have a good texture to paint over that holds acrylic nicely, and it can't craze or damage plastic. If Krylon does that, great...

Honestly, it's GW's change in primer formulations that almost lost me. I don't really give a crap exactly who makes my paint, I just want to be able to get the same consistent behavior every time. As long as it's durable, and takes paint well, with no complications, that's great. It's aboot consistency in this game. Changing formulations is not good. I'll use the $4 stuff if it works, and it seems like the manufacturer will keep making it forever.

Anyway...

One major issue here is color consistency. If you're painting an army in a given color, and you brushpaint the infantry, and want to spray your tanks, you either need an airbrush, or you need to get very lucky with one of these non-GW brand spray cans and have a match. Again, why make cost an issue when you're putting so much time and money in already? Get the colors right. Don't risk paints reacting to one another.

That said, I don't think their spraygun is worth using. The form isn't functional, it's gimmicky. Get a nice simple single action airbrush, it'll work as well or better, and cost less.

Finally, I don't think propellants are necessarily caustic. I think it's the paint in question. This is one of the reasons I cringe when I hear Krylon mentioned. I haven't used it lately, but back in the day it was a very bitey sort of enamel based paint. Some paints are designed to etch the surface they're sprayed on, even if it's metal, so the paint can adhere. If it's etching metal, it's eating plastic. Bottom line, I'm sure you can get propellant cans that aren't caustic.

Diablobats,

I am in awe. I'd buy the model and supplies if you would do a real step by step for Dakka, could you do a classic Grey Knights Land Raider or SOB Immolator???

Mike Guth

I'm a field service tech. My employer provides me with free compressed air.

If you're only going to spray something a couple of times a year, its probably a lot less hassle and room than a normal airbrush + compressor.

proximity wrote:If you're only going to spray something a couple of times a year, its probably a lot less hassle and room than a normal airbrush + compressor.

That's why I'm thinking about buying the GW one. The only thing I really need to do with it right now is paint about 130 more ghouls for my WHFB army. And that is only the first 6 coats of color, two greens, a wash, bleached bone, a wash then I do the detail on my own. The only other thing I think I'd use it on is base coating some Grave Guard of Black knights Red. I think the skeletal horses look better red.

i am totally 100% agreeing with diablobats. ive used cheap spray paint from wally world a million times. the only problem youll ever run into is when its running out itll spit. BUT thats why you save the hassel and stop using it when it gets close to being empty. even still your saving a ton of cash. flat black paint looks like flat black paint. if you have tons of cash and feel like wasting it on "professional" paints and spray equipment then go ahead. your going to get a really close look when buying the cheap stuff.
ALSO as a tip its always smart (after shaking the can like mad) to do the first spray or two on scrap card. be smart about it

Wow, for only double the price, you too can get a GW themed body on a basic external-mix single action sprayer! It's not a bad design for what it is, just very limited in what it does. It doesn't do any detail work, but is good for area spraying.

If you really want to try this design, just grab a Paasche EZ off of e-bay for $15 + shipping. It looks to be the same thing, just without the GW body on it instead of the normal plastic body. There are some no-named brands of the same basic design on e-bay for $10.00 or so. Or you go with the all metal bodied model H for the $30 price range, and get a higher quality piece with the same nozzle style.

Using propellant cans though is a complete waste of money. After a half dozen cans, you could have bought yourself a cheap compressor. I may be selling mine actually, and switching over to a CO2 setup. Undecided still on that though.

-Hans

I've tried both krylon and citadel. I like both. If I'm at the point where I need a new can, I'll buy it depending on where I am. If I'm at the game store, I'll pick up a can of citadel stuff there. If I'm in home depot and I remember that I need it, I'll get krylon there instead.

Like someone else was saying $4 vs $10 every 4 months isn't that big of a deal to me....

I'm actually considering some of the newer Army Painter colored primer sprays... white and black are $10, the colored ones are $15.. I've seen the blue army painter spray in action and was pretty impressed, perfect for painting a lot of ultramarines quickly.

anyone notice its actually a real flamer? eh? no? the contents are propane and such yes it can be turned into a real hand flamer

Used the cheap testors one in the past, did all my guard vehicles with camo with it. Didn't even use one can of propellant, and that included doing a ambush style camo scheme over it with dark green and brown over desert yellow. Much easier than trying to do the same thing with spray paint. It's relatively cheap, relatively easy and an intro to paint guns. If they want to buy it for the cost, go for it. You want to buy cheap walmart spray paint,.. go for it. One thing I have never had a spray gun do is ruin my model because of humidity or bad paint. I do have some rather expensive eldar models spray paint did ruin.

You can't get cheap paint spray in 'Pound' shops any more (at least in Bolton). Stupid anti-graffiti thing. Meh.

I picked up mine last weekend. I have not got around to actually using it. I did run some water through it though. There does not seem to be much control, it is either on or off. The spray is tighter then a can of Krylon (my choice of primers) so you probably will not get much over spray.

What I am worried about the most is the cap/valve that goes on the cans of propelent. It is all plastic, the threads that the hose hooks up to is plastic, the threads that the valve goes in is plastic, and the threads that actually screw on to the propellant is plastic. I keep cross threading the propellant and I could already see some of the threads wearing down. This might not be an issue since it does look fairly standarded issue and fairly easy to replace.

If you just want to do primer or basing of a GW color then this is not bad for $30 ($8 per can of propellant), if you want more control I would suggest a proper airbrush. I mainly bought this because I wanted to do my Dark Angel tanks. The pistol grip is a bit more comfortable shooting then a can or paint too.

Oh, does anyone know if the propellant for the gun would melt foam?

For the price I will definately try it. Especially for Rhinos, Landraiders, Defilers, Bikes, Massed troops that use washing techniques.

Going through Hobby Lobby and local hobby stores, I haven't personally seen anything similar in that price range.

- Blackbone

Aduro wrote:Oh, does anyone know if the propellant for the gun would melt foam?

Good question.

Far I am aware, it's just compressed air, so I wouldn't think so.

yeah,
I used one a couple of days ago and took some photos.

It was alot of fun to use!
It also uses up the paint and air quite quick! I don't think it will be cheap to run...

I sprayed two vindicators using a custom blend of foundation paint.
All things concideded. I estimate that the two vindicators used about 2/3s of a pot of paint to cover, and about half a can of air.
I did go a bit over board with the spray ! it was fun...

It took me about 10 mins to spray the two tanks and their blades...

You mix the paint with water before spraying... and Because of the water (and maybe I sprayed a bit to much) It took 2.5 hours to dry!!!

another thing that happened (probabily because of the mix of paints i used (all GW foundations) I noticed a dark green scum surface anywhere the paint pooled...
you can see this in some photos...
I run my finger through the scum and you can see the green paint is under it...
I turned the blads and tanks upside down while they dried and i don't see any shading going on... strange though...

anyways photos attached below....

I do rate the spray gun, easy to use and the level of mess is the same as regular spraying! but you get whatever colour you want. i didn't play around with the setting much.
and i'm tempted to redo all my nurgle tanks! just so they have a uniform colour...

Dakka Dan wrote:What I am worried about the most is the cap/valve that goes on the cans of propelent. It is all plastic, the threads that the hose hooks up to is plastic, the threads that the valve goes in is plastic, and the threads that actually screw on to the propellant is plastic. I keep cross threading the propellant and I could already see some of the threads wearing down. This might not be an issue since it does look fairly standarded issue and fairly easy to replace...

Yeah I noticed this too, I could 'feel' the cap cross threading, but after 10 mins of trying to put it on without cross threading i gave up and just put it on. but i could see the kinda damage you saw... I think the threads are slighty different, probabily a good thing the cap is plastic, it should take the shape of the cans threads... ... If mine breaks I'll exchange it at a GW store for another one!!!

Dakka Dan wrote:...The pistol grip is a bit more comfortable shooting then a can or paint too.

Yeah it's comfortable and fun!!!

PaniC

I picked up the Spray Gun and two cans of air today... I'm thinking that the flamer shape will be more comfortable than an airbrush to hold. I'm bringing it to college for base coating and varnishing, so something self-contained like this is much more appealing to me in my current setup than a full-blown AB would be. With the amount of historical tank models and and Marines I'm planning on painting, I think this will save me alot of time, and the coverage should give me much better results. I've been basing with Tamiya and Testors rattle cans, which are dreadfully expensive. I am also thinking that I should be able to use the gun for spraying matte varnish with better results... the only dead flat sealer I've used so far is Testors Dulcote spray, which is really costly. I have tried just about every brush on solution under the sun, but they all go on a bit shiny... I am thinking I may see better results by spraying them. I used to swear by Krylon Matte finish, but the b*stards changed the formula and now it's secretly a Satin varnish...

I want to first say that I do not mean to put down your tanks. I think you did a fine job with them considering the cheap piece of crap spray gun. Sorry, but that crappy build up on the chain and other parts is what we all hate about spray cans that have old paint in them. Don't we all cry BS when we spray a model with spray paint and we get results that have bits and piece of paint chunks. It looks like the spray gun does the same exact thing at 4 times the price. Also, look at the mess and color coverage. The fine details on forgeworld products will be completely gone if you use this BS gun. I just got the new Forgeworld masterclass book, and it tells you clearly to use an AIRBRUSH as often as you can to get the best paint results. I have used GW paints in my normal metal $99.00 airbrush with great results. People, save your money. That thing freakin sucks. Sorry GW.

the spray gun is great (I have a decent aztec and a very nice Pasche to compare it to, no Iwaata)
simple to use
paint and washes go on super smooth
the grip is fantastic for holding, much more comfortable than the "pen-hold" of a standard airbrush, and if you use it for it's intended purpose (basecoating, not trying for details) it's great.
if you read his post, it shows that he used rough coat to prime his models, therefore the texture is from the "primer" not the spraygun.
a standard badger air hose will allow you to use it with your compressor as well.

diablobats wrote:I want to first say that I do not mean to put down your tanks. I think you did a fine job with them considering the cheap piece of crap spray gun. Sorry, but that crappy build up on the chain and other parts is what we all hate about spray cans that have old paint in them. Don't we all cry BS when we spray a model with spray paint and we get results that have bits and piece of paint chunks.

Just like the poster above me said, he used rough coat on his models which is what is giving them that appearance. It's not the spray gun.

it certainly looks like fun.... but I think I will stick to my air powered spray gun

As for the propellant, I would not try it on foam. It does not smell like compressed air, in fact I probably would not try it next to a lit flame.

I went in on a spray gun with a bunch of friends at my FLGS. I paid like 5 bucks for the gun and spray can all. We tested it on my ghouls. It did really well. One of the nozel positions didn't do so well and I had to dry brush bleached bone and do another wash. It eats washes though I don't suggest using it for coats of washes. Besides that, it's pretty decent. Saved me 4 hours of drybrushing 100 ghouls.

Can's of spray paint from Wal-Mart saves me hours of painting also. .97 cents save me money on top of it. Air in a Can, come on GW? Are you being serious with this stuff.

You.... Do realize there's a Huge market on compressed air, right? It's not just some GW thing.

By huge you mean there are other people stupid enough to buy air in a can for $8 instead of an air compressor from ebay at $40.00. I got mine for $40.00 including shipping and it has lasted me for 4 years now. I also run a cheap air brush that cost less then $70. I do all this with GW paints that I mixed myself with water and get a perfect color match to the pot stuff. 4 army painted and still going. What does GW have to say to that. Oh ya, give us more money for a completely worthless piece of crap. Just trying to help out the masses.

diablobats wrote:Just trying to help out the masses.

The masses have spoken...GW has figured out people are lazy. They made the gun easily accessible and made it so anybody could use it without the extra need of an air compressor. All the extra stuff deters people away from an airbrush.



GW is holding it, let the people be lead around. Hopefully the extra money they make off this gun means we'll be getting more plastic kits made up.

Honestly I don't see the fuss about the Spray Gun... it serves a wonderful interim niche between rattle cans and a full-blown airbrush that must appeal to many people. It's simplicity, ease of use, and 'portability' are fantastic compared to a full compressor AB setup... I'm at college, so it's not like there's any way for me to setup a compressor and spray booth like for an AB. GW or not, I think having a basic spray gun is a wonderful tool worth its weight... and the pistol design on the GW gun makes it far more comfortable to use than pencil-style ABs.