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How about bald screaming Spase Marien (hurr) sergeants? We all hate them.

How about the ENTIRE sisters of battle range? i mean come on. the minis havent been updated since like 2nd ed. granted, they still look pretty good (i LOVE the excorcist), but they would be WAAAAAAY better as multi pose plastics.

other than that, im not really sure.

1. Dark Eldar Warriors. Duh. I remember being so excited about Dark Eldar, having used Eldar Pirates in 2nd ed. So disappointed, sold them off within a week of buying.

2. Rough Riders. I've never seen anyone use the official models.

3. Flesh Hounds. And they were just released earlier this year! Ugly, ugly frill neck lizards. I'm using Dire Wolves instead.

4. Horrors. Nice models, a pain to put together. Although this might be a "careful what you wish for" like Daemonettes..

5. Abbadddon, The Littlest Chaos Lord. He's so cute!

BLARGAG!!! wrote:How about the ENTIRE sisters of battle range?

How about not. The Sisters of Battle models are still excellent - it's only the newer updates with the Fleur helmets that look bad. This is a very good-looking range of models that does not require any changes, only expansion.

Now granted, it is expensive, being all-metal.

And the way the models are designed, converting to plastic would necessarily lose a certain amount of detail due to the limitations of injection molding.

But there are far worse-looking things out there than the Sisters.

I don't have a problem with the old hybrid SM heavy weapons guys. Pin them and they stay together. Of course, I pinned all of my metal weapons to metal SM bodies I also had (fixed the balance issues, too). Of course, one of the plastic Heavy Bolter dudes in the current set gave me no end of grief. Needed pins (plastic rod this time) in the hips, through the torso (both arms), left hand, and metal pins linking the backpack and weapon ammo feed. Thus the universe balances out.

1. Defiler. A butt-ugglier model you won't see ... outside of .
2. Vostroyans. Bring back the Valhallans, I don't like GC guard, but they at least looked better.
3. IG RR. Give them trailbikes, FFS. I don't use any GW models for mine (well, apart from a few torsos & heads) as I can get some very nice scaled 28mm trailbikes from a local manufacturer.
4. Warp Spiders. Need some more variety. These models date back to 2nd ed (other aspects date back to RT and have had 3 redos) and are too static. Give us an exarch model FFS, with a suitable weapons loadout/options - like every other aspect has.
5. Lemon Russki. (it's an alcoholic 'girly drink'). The tank is so WW1 french it's embarrassing. The Chimera is based off a more modern vehicle - pick another tank from the same period and rivet it up.

Any form of tank, they are just too expensive and so down right ugle, eg deff dread [not completely ugly but cost $85 AUD]

chromedog wrote:I don't have a problem with the old hybrid SM heavy weapons guys. Pin them and they stay together.

Aside from the idea that no basic model should ever require pins, why would you want to go to a model that is more difficult to put together? The hybrid Devs were horrible models.

chromedog wrote:Of course, one of the plastic Heavy Bolter dudes in the current set gave me no end of grief.

I'm having even more trouble seeing that...

chromedog wrote:Vostroyans. Bring back the Valhallans, I don't like GC guard, but they at least looked better.

Another odd comment. Most of the people here seem to regard the Vostroyans as the most 40K-ish Guard models GW has ever made, as if someone actually took up the challenge of turning John Blanche's scribble art into an actual model. I think that's a good thing, and I don't see why Vostroyans and Valhallans can't co-exist.

BYE

1. Bike Warlocks - At least Nagash and the catachans got a sculpt. Not that it did them any good.

2. Ork warbuggies and wartraks - Retire them please.

3. Rough riders - Mounted cadians are the easiest option.

4. Orc boars - bigger please

5. High Elf armoured steeds - You thought boars looked bad.




Thank God they redid the Cold Ones

Ah, HBMC, I pin all my models. Metal or otherwise. Not pinning is anathema to me. I've pinned Banshee swords back onto their hands (pin into the blade and crossguard, and into the hand) that have come off due to rough handling (still in blister). I'm an old hand at it, having been doing so for around 18 years (when I learned it).

As to the plastic HB marine. This was due to the miscastings involved, and to keep the parts together while the glue set. All of the sub assemblies wanted to fly apart.
The nubbin on the left hand and the socket on the left hand (on gun) were the wrong shape (more pyramidal than cylindrical). A more regular cylindrical hole and pin held them together better.

The rod across the interior of the torso held both arms on and enabled me to fit the backpack, and both arms and weapon together properly without resorting to cutting and shunting.

The pin in the hips was simply to stop the torso tipping forward or backwards (as ball joints are wont to when imbalanced). Oh, and the whole thing was pinned onto it's resin base.

I have no problem with pinning, I just don't think that any model should require it. if the hybrid Devs required it, then they were not good models.

BYE

The Balrog, at least the metal one - a shocking kit to put together, I was applying filler like I would to the wall of my house.

Eldar Warwalker - yes the new one. It's ugly and looks like a fan conversion where someone has chopped up a grav tank for bitz.

Dark Eldar plastics - old, and they show it

Khorne Beserkers - one of their earliest plastics, nice as they are, they could achieve a lot if they did these again.

Abaddon - Old and undersized. Many other special characters have had a resculpt, the 13th Crusade campaign was an ideal opportunity for a resculpt that was missed IMO.

Warmaster wrote:Wow,

So all of you people love


1. Rough Riders? Hello? Bueller, my god those models suck!! Not only do they suck but if you wanted one you would have to pay 12.00 for it.

2. Ratlings. Not as bad as rough riders, but give me a break.

3. Dragon Ogres/Chaos Ogre's

4. Skorcha's

5. Dark Eldar Wych's

My dragon ogres and Shaggoths wipe their scaled posteriors with your #3, although they give on rough riders and ratlings.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BLARGAG!!! wrote:How about the ENTIRE sisters of battle range?

How about not. The Sisters of Battle models are still excellent - it's only the newer updates with the Fleur helmets that look bad. This is a very good-looking range of models that does not require any changes, only expansion.

Now granted, it is expensive, being all-metal.

And the way the models are designed, converting to plastic would necessarily lose a certain amount of detail due to the limitations of injection molding.

But there are far worse-looking things out there than the Sisters.

I have to agree... The worst parts of the SoB line are generally the items released with the Witch Hunters codex. The Immolator sprue is pretty cool,but most of the rest are lacking in in the class the older models have.

I had to sand down the boobs on my new Canoness as they're disturbingly pointy for some reason. I won't say the SoB aren't fetish fuel, but the newer sculpts took it a bit too far.

My main problem with the girls is the bad miscasting that seems pretty common on the metals. About 50% are perfect, and the other half range from "sorta acceptable" to "ok.. this one has an eye patch".
I really think they would benefit from plastics, especially as all the other imperial armies can take them as allies. And it seems that no army fuels the obsessive conversions that the Inquisition does.

Cheese Elemental wrote:How about bald screaming Spase Marien (hurr) sergeants? We all hate them.

I <3 them more than a teen goth gurl loves that vampire from twilight.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

chromedog wrote:Vostroyans. Bring back the Valhallans, I don't like GC guard, but they at least looked better.

Another odd comment. Most of the people here seem to regard the Vostroyans as the most 40K-ish Guard models GW has ever made, as if someone actually took up the challenge of turning John Blanche's scribble art into an actual model. I think that's a good thing, and I don't see why Vostroyans and Valhallans can't co-exist.

BYE

I'm in complete agreement with HBMC. The Vostroyans look excellent, and fit a general loose "Russian Theme". I think that they'd look great as a veteran's squad for Vahallans.

I agree that some of those models need to be replaced like the old phoenix lords but the jungle fighters? At least they have a plastic box set.

I'd like to see ONE of the old tallarn, vallhallan, mordian iron guard model lines redone. They are only available in oop pewters and way to expensive.
Also agree on warp spiders.
Sister's of battle squads could be redone
And the Bretonnia line I mean they haven't had any love in years

chromedog wrote:I don't have a problem with the old hybrid SM heavy weapons guys. Pin them and they stay together.

Yeah, but they're a total PITA.

A mixed metal Dev needs:
- pin from backpack to torso
- pin from weapon to shoulder
- pin for steadying shoulder
- pin from backpack to weapon
That's a lot of pins to set, and far less convenient than working in plastic.

And the as-cast alignment isn't perfect, so there are gaps that are a PITA to close off.

It is cool that Devs can now be done in plastic, with no appreciable loss of detail, and virtually perfect fit. Unless you have all-mixed-metal 3E Devs like I do. In this case, you're kind of stuck with the metals for sake of matching.

Wehrkind wrote:My main problem with the girls is the bad miscasting that seems pretty common on the metals. About 50% are perfect, and the other half range from "sorta acceptable" to "ok.. this one has an eye patch".

N00b. If you bought in "back in the day", when the molds were still fresh and new, that wouldn't be a problem.

Actually, my big gripe is always needing to twist the legs so the feet sit flat.

@dumplingman:

The people's choice has been long-coat Guard for quite some time. If they're Krieg-like Gothic Trenchers with gasmask heads rather than WW2 Russians, GW will *easily* make bank on them.

*Easily*.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

chromedog wrote:I don't have a problem with the old hybrid SM heavy weapons guys. Pin them and they stay together.

Yeah, but they're a total PITA.

A mixed metal Dev needs:
- pin from backpack to torso
- pin from weapon to shoulder
- pin for steadying shoulder
- pin from backpack to weapon
That's a lot of pins to set, and far less convenient than working in plastic.

And the as-cast alignment isn't perfect, so there are gaps that are a PITA to close off.

It is cool that Devs can now be done in plastic, with no appreciable loss of detail, and virtually perfect fit. Unless you have all-mixed-metal 3E Devs like I do. In this case, you're kind of stuck with the metals for sake of matching.

You don't need to pin the old metals. I've had no problem with them breaking off, even if I drop them. Both plastic and metal are a PITA to put together, though.

Valhallan42nd wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

chromedog wrote:Vostroyans. Bring back the Valhallans, I don't like GC guard, but they at least looked better.

Another odd comment. Most of the people here seem to regard the Vostroyans as the most 40K-ish Guard models GW has ever made, as if someone actually took up the challenge of turning John Blanche's scribble art into an actual model. I think that's a good thing, and I don't see why Vostroyans and Valhallans can't co-exist.

BYE

I'm in complete agreement with HBMC. The Vostroyans look excellent, and fit a general loose "Russian Theme". I think that they'd look great as a veteran's squad for Vahallans.

Respectfully I'd have disagree. On an anecdotal basis the Vostroyans were not viewed as attractive minis and did not sell well, at least in these parts.

Valhallan42nd wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

chromedog wrote:I don't have a problem with the old hybrid SM heavy weapons guys. Pin them and they stay together.

Yeah, but they're a total PITA.

A mixed metal Dev needs:
- pin from backpack to torso
- pin from weapon to shoulder
- pin for steadying shoulder
- pin from backpack to weapon
That's a lot of pins to set, and far less convenient than working in plastic.

And the as-cast alignment isn't perfect, so there are gaps that are a PITA to close off.

It is cool that Devs can now be done in plastic, with no appreciable loss of detail, and virtually perfect fit. Unless you have all-mixed-metal 3E Devs like I do. In this case, you're kind of stuck with the metals for sake of matching.

You don't need to pin the old metals. I've had no problem with them breaking off, even if I drop them. Both plastic and metal are a PITA to put together, though.

I don't have any of the RT/2E all-metal Devs. I'm talking about the 3E mixed-metal metal-and-plastic hybrids. :(

Frazzled wrote:

Valhallan42nd wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

chromedog wrote:Vostroyans. Bring back the Valhallans, I don't like GC guard, but they at least looked better.

Another odd comment. Most of the people here seem to regard the Vostroyans as the most 40K-ish Guard models GW has ever made, as if someone actually took up the challenge of turning John Blanche's scribble art into an actual model. I think that's a good thing, and I don't see why Vostroyans and Valhallans can't co-exist.

BYE

I'm in complete agreement with HBMC. The Vostroyans look excellent, and fit a general loose "Russian Theme". I think that they'd look great as a veteran's squad for Vahallans.

Respectfully I'd have disagree. On an anecdotal basis the Vostroyans were not viewed as attractive minis and did not sell well, at least in these parts.

They are somewhat of a Marmite (you either love it or hate it)

There are only two things putting me off them....1) I cannot afford an all metal Guard Army 2) I don't think my attention span would cover painting all the details, thus rendering the purchase of an all metal Guard army somewhat pointless, as I might as well 3colour and base Cadians!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
I don't have any of the RT/2E all-metal Devs. I'm talking about the 3E mixed-metal metal-and-plastic hybrids. :(

Those are the one's I'm taking about. Plastic bodies, metal weapons. None of mine are pinned. I jsut filed the contact areas so that there was more of a bonding surface and used glue sparingly. Like gluing together a CBT unseen Marauder, it was 2 minutes of holding still and prayer that you didn't have any glue on your finger tips.

Fantasy:
Skaven: for reasons mentioned above
New Empire Infantry: Lack of slippers, mangled faces, "detail" sculped on to the torso, horrible poses, oversized weapons, and worse of all no puffy sleaves. Really no good at all.
Bretonnian Men at Arms: Palvises larger than a door? Elbow arms? Shorter than every other infantry figure made? Horrible heads? No spears? Nope, no good at all.
Zombies: Too large, otherwise fine.
Plain gobblins: too large. Forest goblin head option would be nice too.

1. Cadians. Stunted 41st milennium NFL players? No thanks. I winced whenever they got something new. Make a plastic Krieg range instead and you'll see a lot of happy faces.
2. Wraithguard. Lovely models, three (?) poses. Lame! Make a ghost army feasible, and possible without robbing a bank.
3. Dark Eldar. Jabba's skiff party was great. A ten year wait isn't.
4. Plastic Horrors. Best looking daemons by far. S&M daemonettes and skinny Bloodletters don't appeal.
5. Broodlord. Why is this a metal kit? The Tyrant, Carnifex, gaunts and warriors look great. It would be piss easy to make a mean lynchpin for those 'stealer heavy lists.

And whilst I'm on the subject, only two feeder tendril heads per sprue? Lose.

The Twin Lightning Claw MkI/MkII veteran. I have yet to see that guy get even a halfway decent cast in anything but a White Dwarf magazine.

Wehrkind wrote:My main problem with the girls is the bad miscasting that seems pretty common on the metals. About 50% are perfect, and the other half range from "sorta acceptable" to "ok.. this one has an eye patch".

You're pretty lucky if you got some really awesome models with eyepatches.

@HBMC: Feel free to disagree with my nomination of Vostroyans. I think they're ugly and need replacing, even if only with valhallans (note: AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE GC GUARD!!!), even if you do think they're special. We're gonna have to disagree on this one. There is no common ground. You won't get me to change my mind as even if they are replaced, I wouldn't buy them anyway.

Very few of my minis 'REQUIRE' pinning as you put it. That I choose to do so is not a reflection on the models, but on the amount of punishement they WILL receive from me on the tabletop. I also use araldite to hold the bits in place on hybrids (it works much better than superglue for much longer).