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H.B.M.C. wrote:I have no problem with pinning, I just don't think that any model should require it. if the hybrid Devs required it, then they were not good models.

I'd rather have a good-lookin' model that requires some pinning than a half-assed one that's easier to assemble. Not saying that the plastic devs are half-assed, but I think that there's nothing wrong with pinning every once in a while.

IMO:

1) Plastic High Elf Infantry (spears and bows).
Their flipper-hands and pageboy haircuts completely fail to evoke the lithe and elegant look of the art in the book.

2) Plastic Skaven Clanrats
They're supposed to be rat-men, not dog-men. Also, again with the flippers for hands.

3) 40k Ork Buggies
Everything else got an great re-do, why not these?

4) Lizardman Saurus Cavalry
The riders are fine. The revised Cold Ones are just hideous. And now that we can have Jes Goodwin's stunning new DE Cold One, the Lizzie version makes me sad.

5) Dragon Ogres
They've been around so long they no longer look like GW dragons or GW ogres. Please please please make them look like mini-Shaggoths (a lovely model, IMO).

I don't understand why everyone's so down on the Ork Buggy. I think it's cute! Sure, the driver doesn't look so hot, but he can be replaced easily enough.

not to burst your bubble, all eldar have dicks on their heads...

chromedog wrote:@HBMC: Feel free to disagree with my nomination of Vostroyans. I think they're ugly and need replacing, even if only with valhallans (note: AND I DON'T EVEN LIKE GC GUARD!!!), even if you do think they're special. We're gonna have to disagree on this one. There is no common ground. You won't get me to change my mind as even if they are replaced, I wouldn't buy them anyway.

Very few of my minis 'REQUIRE' pinning as you put it. That I choose to do so is not a reflection on the models, but on the amount of punishement they WILL receive from me on the tabletop. I also use araldite to hold the bits in place on hybrids (it works much better than superglue for much longer).

Agreed. Lose the heads and they have some real opportunities, but the are meh otherwise.

@washaway: If that's what a dick looks like to you, tell them they need to see a doctor.

Eldar are Coneheads. The eldar empire collapse due to an over-enthusiastic binge -

Consume mass quantities of beer - mbeep!

Pariah Press wrote:I'd rather have a good-lookin' model that requires some pinning than a half-assed one that's easier to assemble. Not saying that the plastic devs are half-assed, but I think that there's nothing wrong with pinning every once in a while.

Uhghh...

Do you not understand the words comin' outta my... keyboard...?

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with pinning. I'm saying that no model should require pinning. It has nothing to do with the looks of the model or any further straw-stuffed qualifications you want to attach to my original statement.

BYE

wash-away wrote:not to burst your bubble, all eldar have dicks on their heads...

That must explain why they're a dying race, imagine the problems reproducing.

Pariah Press wrote: I don't understand why everyone's so down on the Ork Buggy. I think it's cute! Sure, the driver doesn't look so hot, but he can be replaced easily enough.

The driver is too small, the weapons don't quite translate, and the gunner is too small. The vehicle itself is fine, but the rest could use some work.

If you think the buggy is fine, you don't play orks. It only has 1 of three possible weapon options (the big shoota). No rokkits, no kustom mega blasta.
The new trukk suffers from lack of rokkits too, and I assume the battlewagon will aswell. GW don't want us using rokkits on our vehicles.

Da Boss wrote:If you think the buggy is fine, you don't play orks. It only has 1 of three possible weapon options (the big shoota). No rokkits, no kustom mega blasta.
The new trukk suffers from lack of rokkits too, and I assume the battlewagon will aswell. GW don't want us using rokkits on our vehicles.

That's because we have BS2! They are doing us a favor

I liked the Vostroyans because they invoked that crazy Blanche feel. I didn't buy any because they were so much more expensive than the Cadians.

Seconded that Wraithguard need a re-do. They are far, far, far FAR too expensive right now for a model with what, 2 poses and an interchangable back vane? With the great new Eldar plastic kits, these guys are primed for a plastic box, ala the new Terminators.

Won't talk about Ork buggies, we know already.

Biovore. Please, the 3rd edition downs-syndrome version and the resculpted version from around the release of those awful metal possessed are both terrible.

Gargoyles. Fine models, but need to be in plastic. 32 gaunts( 16 gaunts and 16 Hormagaunts) cost what, $70 nowadays? 32 Gargoyles, a 12 point model compared to a ten and 6 point models, cost $192. Sans sales tax. For shame.

Otherwise, the Nid range is adequate to great.

New Eldar jetbikes please?

And finally, new broadsides. The hybrid version we have now is a goofy pita.

Dragon Ogres: Worst. Minis. EVER.

Minotaurs: I just hate the GW Minotaur. Look at Reaper and Confrontation. Those are minotaurs.

Two Piece Gaunt Heads: Seriously. I have glued so many faces to my fingers my fingerprint looks like a friggin' Implant Attack.

Dark Elf Hydra: How does that work, exactly? Again, see Reaper for how to make Hydras. Especially the newest one they put out.

Ripper Swarms: I think the Forgeworld versions should be the standard version.

I actually really dig the new hydra, yeah sure its got bigger gaps in it than Michael Strahan, Mike Tyson, and my two 5 month old kids combined, but whats a GW metal biggun without some green stuff.

I would agree that the old hydras were awful, but the new one are pretty sweet....

Ditto for their new beastmasters too

H.B.M.C. wrote:Uhghh...

Do you not understand the words comin' outta my... keyboard...?

Uhhh... evidently not.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with pinning. I'm saying that no model should require pinning.

Well, why not?

It has nothing to do with the looks of the model or any further straw-stuffed qualifications you want to attach to my original statement.

My point, which I evidently didn't communicate right (I think I made a logical leap and assumed that you all came along for the ride) is that some models looks great, right? But they are a bit, shall we say impractical, from an engineering standpoint. "Wow, those wings look cool!" Unfortunately, they're heavy, and they connect to a tiny little point on the model. Those suckers are probably gonna need to be pinned. Is this an inherent evil? Should the model be redesigned to have smaller, lighter wings that have a big attachment point, but look bad? Nope. Just pin 'em.

Valhallan42nd wrote:
I <3 them more than a teen goth gurl loves that vampire from twilight.

you are a funny man

It depends on how much work GW think the average buyer ought to have to do to make the models.

They clearly think the average buyer should not have to be able to do addition and subtraction to play the game.

Maybe pinning is considered to be outwith the typical user's meagre capacity.

Kilkrazy wrote:Maybe pinning is considered to be outwith the typical user's meagre capacity.

Those stoopid Chaos Fury wings suggest that GW doesn't think so.

Models I'd actually buy if they weren't so ass:

- New Bloodletters
- Abbadon the weee
- Donkeythirster

And the two main reasons I won't play Guard:

- Leman Russ and it's variants
- Chimera and it's variants

IMO, the new Bloodletters are fine models, as long as you don't consider them as "Bloodletters".

Also, the Chimera itself is fine. I don't understand why people are hating this model. It looks just like a 40k-universe IFV ought to. As pseudo-RL vehicles go, the Chimera is about the most believable thing GW makes..

If you trim the bottom, it reveals the wheels in a much more realistic manner and indeed looks like an IFV.

Kilkrazy wrote:It depends on how much work GW think the average buyer ought to have to do to make the models.

They clearly think the average buyer should not have to be able to do addition and subtraction to play the game.

Amen.
/mourns the loss of guess range weapons

As for models, I'll chime in even though they've probably all been mentioned:

1. Darn near the entire Dark Eldar range. Seems like nobody buys them, but that might be somewhat related to the craptacular models.
2. Ork Buggy. I still like the wartrakk, but it suffers from the same gorkamorka crew issue.
3. Chaos Dread. The kit on the shelf is chock full of both ugly AND useless.
4. Plastic catachans for all the previously mentioned reasons.
5. The new dark elf hydra, dear gawd just start over on that one please.

The whole Gorkamorka Warbuggy thing kind of reminds me of the DS9 episode Worf is asked to comment on the original Klingons...

"We do not discuss it with outsiders"

Pariah Press wrote:Those stoopid Chaos Fury wings suggest that GW doesn't think so.

Really? I've had 30 Furies for 3 years and not a single one has ever broken, and I didn't even need Green Stuff to get them together.

Having said that of course they will all break instantly the moment I next look at them...

BYE

all greater demons and zombies anyone???

So anyone care to wade through this thread and pick out the finalists? I'll throw out 5 more.









Greater Daemons - totally agree, though the plastic DP kit will take care of some of that. To tell the truth you could probably do a decent plastic Blood thirster, Lord of Change and Keeper of Secrets once it comes out. Just mix in pegasus wings and spawn bits as needed. Ole fatty you can't really do much with. Oh well.

Any metal flying model - just not practical to put on flying stands. A plastic feather wing and leather wing sprue would do a lot to help with this.


vs


Mr Stupid - The Nagash of our generation, combining silly rules with the WORST MODEL EVER. Why can't you be like your big brother?



Chaos Dread - meh. I mean sure I'd love a plastic kit for it, even a marine dread with a spike sprue but the old one (IMHO) is still better than the loyalists' angry washing machine.

The entire Lost and the Damned range - I mean people whine about the Dark Eldar but honestly ever L&D army I've seen looks like a lazy kitbash of Ork, Zombie and Catachan bitz.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The whole Gorkamorka Warbuggy thing kind of reminds me of the DS9 episode Worf is asked to comment on the original Klingons...

"We do not discuss it with outsiders"

DS9....Worf? im not a huge star trek fan... but i didnt think worf was on that show. enterprise deffinetly, but not DS9.
ANYWHORE i agree with abaddon, and i dont like the guy for more reasons then hes just tiny.(i used that mini long ago to make a BIG terminator lord..... now hes TINY!)

but also i think Thrakka needs a new build. sure orks got just about everything recently, but to me hes been the same mini for over a decade and thats to damn long

KingCracker wrote:

DS9....Worf? im not a huge star trek fan... but i didnt think worf was on that show. enterprise deffinetly, but not DS9.

he joined around season 3.

This had been my geekiness of the day.

JohnHwangDD wrote:IMO, the new Bloodletters are fine models, as long as you don't consider them as "Bloodletters".

This I do not grok. THe new bloodletters kick it oldschool right hard, and look great.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

This guy is bad, but not unsalvageably so. I bought one from a sale bin and actually sawed off his horns and then rebuilt his head with putty. That instantly took several degrees of stupid off him. The pose is pretty bad as well, so I tilted him on the base a bit, to give the impression of him floating menacingly forward instead of standing there scarecrow-like. All in all, it became a pretty nice mini, but alas, I lost mine.

So I built myself a new one out of plastic zombies.