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Yeah it's time for another wish list, this time the theme is models that need replacing.



PLASTIC CATACHANS - What can I say about these lil guys that hasn't been said already? Well I can say I love them, I've bought and used more of them than any other plastic kit (except maybe Imperial Militia). But boy... OK start with fixing the bad anatomy and grotesque muscles. Then take a took at what real jungle soldiers wear. Add some sleaved arms, some helmets, some hats, basically anything but Rambo. Oh and can we get all of the special weapons on a sprue? Thanks.



PHOENIX LORDS - In their day they were the best things GW ever made. Today they're laughable and super-deformed with hats bigger than their bodies.



WARP SPIDERS - Fast agile troops lugging guns bigger than they are. With penises on their heads. Back to the drawing board.



ORC BOARS - Being charged by two tons of angry pork chops would be pretty terrifying, but not when we look at these models.



CHAOS WARRIORS - again I love these little guys more than is moral or proper. With their perfect posture, their calm marching, their weapons held neatly before them for inspection, they make perfect Adeptus Custodeus. Too bad they're supposed to be savage drooling CHAOS warriors. They need to have seperate arms, better poses and a lot more options to make them look properly savage.

What do y'all think?

Your forgot circus hat Nagash

What about Gorilla-hand High Elf spears?

Ragnar

Malekith

Malus Darkblade

Abbadon

Logan

(the last two if only to up their scale to fit with the plastic Termies instead of the older metal ones)

Ifurita wrote:Your forgot circus hat Nagash

As much as I would like to I doubt I ever could. But he's OOP and has no rules in any case.

HFJor wrote:What about Gorilla-hand High Elf spears?

I had too many elfs already. And they're servicable if flawed. The penis hats do more damage in my mind than the man hands.

But the others just fail. Outright fail.

Ifurita wrote:Your forgot circus hat Nagash

Supposedly Morley is going to redo Nagash (in an unofficial way, seeing as he's no longer with GW).

You heard the story behind the head, right? It wasn't the original.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:But boy... OK start with fixing the bad anatomy and grotesque muscles. Then take a took at what real jungle soldiers wear.

What, you mean like this?





Now don't you tell me real jungle soldiers don't run around shirtless in sleaveless vests ALL the time, because I know they do!

Also, Catachans should have the option to take an assault cannon as a special weapon.

Ork warbuggies should make the top 5.

Not all the pheonix lords are bad, Maugen Ra still looks ace.

Warp Spiders are nowhere near having a monopoly on "rediculously big guns" and their use by an agile troop is hardly unrealistic for a race that uses anti-gravity plates to hold up their tea.

Boars look good, they actuially look like pigs. (with big horns)

Chaos warriors shouldn't automatically be screaming slavering lunatics. Watch the opening of Mark of Chaos, THOSE are chaos warriors.

And how does your list not include things like Chaos Ogres, Dragon Ogres, Marauders (catachans with hygiene problems :p), Biovores, etc.

Chaos warriors looks fine. They are a bit static, but they look great and get that implacable wall of steel and muscle feel across. Also chatachans aren't supposed to look like guys out of platoon, they are supposed to look like ramboesque men who fight the things out of predator.

Any Ork model that still has second edition orks on it needs a remake. Now.

The entire Dark eldar line needs a remake. Now.

Warp spiders, reapers, and any of the old megahelmet eldar need a remake. NOW.

Any special character model that was around when the third edition codex was released needs a remake.

Gargoyles and broodlords need a remake.

Latest Landspeeders: Looks cool, horrible to build.

I'm afraid I can't really agree with some of your choices, KK. Aside from the boars and the catachans, the other models, while old, are still well made and look great when painted well. Sure, the sculptors could do some great stuff with redoing those pieces now, but I don't think it would be all that spectacular in comparison to redoing the catachans as you've mentioned.

My 5 would be:
Vampire Counts Zombies - for something that is decaying and falling apart, they actually look bigger in death then when they were alive. The new skeleton kit is awesome, and a new zombie kit should be more along those lines of thinness and detail.

Skaven Clanrats: look really chunky and awkward, there's no grace to them at all. huge hands, and really funky tails.

Plaguebearers: the older ones were so much better - the current ones look like wax museum rejects on a hot summer day. They don't have the plague so much as diarrhea of the skin, it's just melting off of them. Fortunately they are rumored to be going to plastic soon so hopefully they look more like their original edition counterparts, as the bloodletters and daemonettes have.

Dark Eldar: as in most of the range. Just lanky stretched out odd looking, not sleekly disturbing and dangerous.

Ork Buggy: The rest of the range is now up to date, time to remove this last vestige of puny orks! A new buggy alongside the new battlewagon and trukks would look ace.

You know they did a recut of the landspeeder just recently right? I haven't tried one but apparently they are no longer the pita they once were.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

The Chaos Dread has to be in there somewhere as well. UGH!

They need to redo everything Fantasy so that it looks like how it does in the
Warhammer game. I'm talking Witch Elves in particular.

Nurgleboy77 wrote: The Chaos Dread has to be in there somewhere as well. UGH!

Let's stick with models that have at least very bad rules. Chaos Dread's are still a few steps below unusable.

....I think H.M.B.C. is contagious...

SchumaGorath wrote Warp spiders, reapers, and any of the old megahelmet eldar need a remake. NOW.

The 3rd edition reapers have skull helmets. The new ones are ugly.

Nearly all of the Dark Eldar, though some of the special characters are okay.

Marauders.

Catachans.

Chaos Dreadnought.

Ragnar Blackmane. Wasn't he released during the tail-end of Rogue Trader? He's very, um, two-dimensional.

Hmmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

1. Empire Knights. Yes, I know they aren't all that old, but it's the Horses man. Ever since the Pistolier/Outriders were done in plastic (and very nice they are too, and quite bargainous) their horses have looked so puny. Now everything is getting spangly Cav models, it's getting worse! One more set, and they will start to resemble armoured blokes riding around on Great Danes.

2. Savage Orcs. We need plastics. I'm almost done with my all metal army, and even so, I'd by tonnes of the plastic ones! And so would other Orc players. Nothing puts the wind up your opponent like Savage Big'uns!

3. I'll second the Zombies. Not necessarily bad models per se, they do their job and look the part, but they just look so dated now compared to the rest of the range.

4. And to save Undead players from mental breakdowns, plastification of Black Knights (NOT Blood Knights). I've lost too many friends to madness when they tried to affix the arms! And do the skeletal steed whilst your at it. Might as well.

5. Last one? Blimey. I dunno. But I'd quite like to see...ummm. Oh yeah. Plastic Trolls. Available to two armies so far (Chaos Warriors and Orcs) and possibly soon to be three (Chaos Beasts). I'd really like them to be made in plastic! We know you can do it, so do it already!

1. Catachans
2. Ragnar Blackmane
3. Mephisto (the model isn't horrible, but he's not bald, pointing and screaming. I'd settle for a little more dynamic pose.)
4. Easterlings from LotR. Figs are fine, but you only get like 4 spearmen in the box, it should be 8.
5. Uruk Hai with crossbows in plastic.

I only play 40k and LotR, so I confined my answers to them. And I'd be shocked if the ork buggies aren't replaced by Wave 2.

GrimTeef wrote:
Plaguebearers: the older ones were so much better - the current ones look like wax museum rejects on a hot summer day. They don't have the plague so much as diarrhea of the skin, it's just melting off of them. Fortunately they are rumored to be going to plastic soon so hopefully they look more like their original edition counterparts, as the bloodletters and daemonettes have.

I have to agree. That's why I'm converting mine out of the new ghouls, like others have done.

My personal list:

1. Chimera - Dated, has only one weapon option on the accessory sprue, looks a bit goofy.

2. Leman Russ - See above.

3. Empire knights - For reasons outlined above.

4. Empire state troops - I don't care how recent these guys are, their detailing is incredibly over the top, they rank badly and go together even worse.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:PHOENIX LORDS - In their day they were the best things GW ever made. Today they're laughable and super-deformed with hats bigger than their bodies.

I doubt they could remake Baharoth any better than he is right now. Same goes for Fugean.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:CHAOS WARRIORS - again I love these little guys more than is moral or proper. With their perfect posture, their calm marching, their weapons held neatly before them for inspection, they make perfect Adeptus Custodeus. Too bad they're supposed to be savage drooling CHAOS warriors. They need to have seperate arms, better poses and a lot more options to make them look properly savage.

You're just annoyed because their weapons join at the elbow rather than the shoulder. These Chaos Warriors are perfect.

BYE

hmmm

1) ALL OF THE DARK ELDAR

2) The farseer model

3) the exorcist tank

4) Tau etherials look dumb

5) Goblin Fanatics

Wow,

So all of you people love


1. Rough Riders? Hello? Bueller, my god those models suck!! Not only do they suck but if you wanted one you would have to pay 12.00 for it.

2. Ratlings. Not as bad as rough riders, but give me a break.

3. Dragon Ogres/Chaos Ogre's

4. Skorcha's

5. Dark Eldar Wych's

The Bretonian Battle Standard Bearer. Hi, I'd like to ride a 3 ounce plastic horse with a three pound metal banner over my head. That's the ticket. Just TRY and put me on a hill baby.

Tomb Scorpions. Good grief, the only thing I've found that was worse to assemble was...


The Screaming Skull Catapult.


Bring back the old school hybrid Devastators. Sure you had to pin the arms, but once you did, they were solid, and they had a nice balance to them.

The Steam Tank. When I use as much green stuff to gap fill as they used metal to cast.. the model has more issues than Batman.

1. All Dark Eldar
2. Bloodthirster
3. Warp spiders
4. Abadabadon

Kid_Kyoto wrote:PLASTIC CATACHANS
PHOENIX LORDS
WARP SPIDERS
ORC BOARS
CHAOS WARRIORS

What do y'all think?

I think there are worse things out there, particularly if you're going after 40k *and* WFB.

- The Catachans are fine, as long as you don't paint them as "jungle" fighters. I think they'd look fine painted as Conscript / Penal Legion.
- The Phoenix Lords are good enough. As 40k Special Characters go, Lemartes is much worse than any of these.
- The Warp Spiders are also good - they match better in size and scale than the plastic Guardians, for example.
- Orc boars aren't the worst mounts GW sells, although they are old. I find them very cute. The recent Goblin Spiders from BfSP are very strange.
- And if you're going after WFB block infantry, why not pick at the HE / DE Spears? Or how about the newest Empire infantry with the wierd faces? Ugh.

No, there's much worse out there, but by and large, the newer stuff holds up quite well.

My 5:
- The wristo-Bolter / froghead Grey Knight termies are just plain goofy.
- The High Elf / Dark Elf infantry are horrible.
- The standard Leman Russ tank is sorely in need of an major (Mars Alpha-based) overhaul to match the new Baneblade and current Land Raider.
- The Dark Eldar line is abyssmal. Fortunately, this doesn't affect more than a couple people.
- And as far as silly goes, I'm going to point at the large-nippled WFB Chaos Marauders as the most in need of replacement.
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1) Dark Elf Warriors: models so bad I think they've turned people off of building the army. How do you screw up evil elves?

2) Dark Eldar Warriors: apparently 1998-2002 were a bad time to scuplt evil elves. the weakest link in a weak range, DE warriors combine a lack of options, no posability, goofy looks, and a criminal lack of detail to create some of the worst basic troops in either game. Everything else in the range can be salvaged, painted around, or converted from somethign else, but the basic warriors are just bad.

3) Close Combat Scouts. Not that old, the BP/CCW scouts always look a little huncbacked a goofy to me. Considering that the old metals are better, no more expensive, and still available makes the current plastics seem awful.

4) Catachans are a bit rough, particularly given how aces the old metals are. The plastic cadian reinvented the look in a decent (although not great) way, while the plastic Cats are just goofy looking.

5) Ork Warbuggies and Wartracks: Just old and sad. Can be livened up, but the best ones are basically more scratch build than original model.

things like Rough Riders and DE wyches can be easily converted many different ways, and the old Tallarn RRs are much better than the "current" Attilans. Ratlings take a lot of flak, but they aren't bad models, they're just not for everybody. If you like cute little hobbits with sniper rifles, they're great!

Breton wrote:Bring back the old school hybrid Devastators. Sure you had to pin the arms, but once you did, they were solid, and they had a nice balance to them.

Umm... what???

You must be a considerably unique human being to want those abominations back in production. You would really prefer a model that is difficult to put together compared to the current Devs, which look the same, come with way more options, and 100,000 times easier to put together, not to mention the endless conversion opportunities that plastic gives over metal.

Really? You want a hybrid kit over a non-hybrid kit?

BYE

Agree on the horses for the empire knights, they are pants.

WHFB common gobbos. Look ultra lame compared to the new NGs.