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Thread is cool. Gentlemen a reminder that Dakka rule #1 is to be polite. Please review your posts to insure they meet that guideline in the future.

It doesn't seem very locked to me.

Edit: Frazzled got here before me.

Cathay's Emperors all take on an animal title. The current Emperor is a "Monkey" and the previous one was a "Dragon" according to the Genevieve novels.

Buttweasels. Ninja buttweasels. Ronin Buttweasels. That's the new Cathay army: Buttweasels.

edit: Nippon army, I guess. But it doesn't matter if it's Buttweasels!

Nippon is the Japanese variant in fantasy, Cathay is China.

If they released Chaos Dwarves, or Dogs of War, I would start WHFB. They were the only two armies I ever had any interest in.

LunaHound wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:Yeah, grizzly bears can handle humans, why can't pandas?

Take your anime fan Blizzard rubbish elsewhere.

Its fine if you dont like the idea of it , why so rude?

He's being rude, but even though I personally like the idea of honorable bear warriors
of some kind (I even worked on a Fantasy dex that had some kind of thing) I doubt that
they would include an April Fools press release army into their main line. Would be
awesome to see as a massive conversion project (mmm, furry warriors).

Oh no, OH NO you didn't! Keep furries out of the hobby please!

gorgon wrote:Heh. Pandamen.

I think I've told this story before. Over 10 years ago, I was talking with Jervis J. at a GT. This was long before the gag order. Designers would tell you all kinds of things, especially if it was a personal conversation. Anyway, when asked about the chance of a Nippon or Cathay army, he said yes, they had some ideas, but with a catch -- it wasn't a human army.

Actually.... somewhere...maybe in a WD article about the "silk road" or equivalent ?-- they do make mention of tiger headed "beastmen" in the Ind/Cathay area I think. Like Rakashas (sp?). Worshipped by the local humans or something.

Also... isn't that where some (2 ? 3 ?) of Nagash's proto vampires fled to when the rest went north? I know after the release of Night's Dark masters for WFRPG they did some extra stats etc for the missing clans on the old BI site. Think I've got them saved somewhere.

Chaos Dwarves will be released after the return of Squats. Dogs of War, I would return to fantasy, and build a Rome type army.

reds8n wrote: Actually.... somewhere...maybe in a WD article about the "silk road" or equivalent ?-- they do make mention of tiger headed "beastmen" in the Ind/Cathay area I think. Like Rakashas (sp?). Worshipped by the local humans or something.

That kinda rings a bell...think I remember reading that and thinking Rakashas too. Seems like that'd be an Ind thing.

We're kinda doing wild speculation here. It might not be an "Eastern" army at all. But if it is, I wonder if they'd do a pure Cathay/Nippon/Ind army, or if it'd be some kind of "Eastern Kingdoms" mishmash force. IMO, the mishmash approach would be a fluffilogical disaster, although it wouldn't shock me if they cherry-picked what they saw as the best concepts/influences from across the Far East and dumped them together into one army. They've rewritten fluff to explain stranger phenomena.

Although if appealing to Eastern markets is even 1% of their motivation, I can't imagine dumping the Warhammer Japanese in with the Warhammer Chinese is exactly going to win over Chinese customers. Might be some backlash there.

Did I imagine that Phil K. said recently that he'd like the chance to revamp Ogre Kingdoms? I wonder if that ties in somehow, or if it'd at least be affected by the release of an Eastern army.

Maybe the return of the Kislev as a self sufficient army.

Cat men of Ind maybe

Massive Tiger and Lion men supported by even bigger Ape Warriors I love it!

but maybe not true :(

Jin wrote:Fantasy Pan-Fo!

Dammit, you beat me to it.

Murloc Armybook.

Granted, the other thing GW could do pretty easily is open up another part of the world that hasn't really been explored yet - they did that with Albion - why not open up a new place with a new army never seen before?

Kung Fu Jim wrote:Chaos Dwarves will be released after the return of Squats. Dogs of War, I would return to fantasy, and build a Rome type army.

Chaos Dwarves are more like Dark Eldar... they're a back burner project that they're taking their time with.

Unfortunately GW's said Dogs of War are not likely to make a return. They ended up hating the fact that it allowed every army to fill in what was effectively another armies unit and thus removing their natural vulnerabilities. If Dogs of War do get redone, you can bet that that aspect of their army will be gone.

BrookM wrote:The dirty old man in the alley next to GW Amsterdam said Tilea and Estelia, because Fantasy doesn't have enough human armies.

Can one, politely ofcourse, ask how come you ended up in an alley talking to a dirty old man albeit one well versed in WHFB. Last time I was in a dark alley talking to a dirty old man about WHFB .........

fullheadofhair wrote:

BrookM wrote:The dirty old man in the alley next to GW Amsterdam said Tilea and Estelia, because Fantasy doesn't have enough human armies.

Can one, politely ofcourse, ask how come you ended up in an alley talking to a dirty old man albeit one well versed in WHFB. Last time I was in a dark alley talking to a dirty old man about WHFB .........

he was in an alleyway in amsterdam... what do you THINK he was doing with the old man
though my question is how much did he pay?

corpsesarefun wrote:

fullheadofhair wrote:

BrookM wrote:The dirty old man in the alley next to GW Amsterdam said Tilea and Estelia, because Fantasy doesn't have enough human armies.

Can one, politely ofcourse, ask how come you ended up in an alley talking to a dirty old man albeit one well versed in WHFB. Last time I was in a dark alley talking to a dirty old man about WHFB .........

he was in an alleyway in amsterdam... what do you THINK he was doing with the old man
though my question is how much did he pay?

Actually, GW Amsterdam is situated next to an alley which serves as a less than ideal shortcut to the shopping district behind it. Either you'll find junkies, dirty old men or stolen goods there, it's always fun.

That dirty old man was peddling his rumours to my girl, not me by the way.

The link to the warseer discussion is:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191577

It's pretty much just a huge wishlist, but seeing as no-one knows anything except those that aren't talking it could be useful as food for thought

A new fantasy army? Well, when discussing t his, we have to keep one thing in mind: Everybody thought Ogre Kingdoms was a bad joke until they saw the models. Okay, it's still a bad joke, but they do exist, and nobody would've believed that, a year before they came out.

I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???. There's nothing in that concept a creative player couldn't do with Lizardmen or Woodelves.

I always thought that a Nippon army could have some really sweet models. Asian Dragons, Ninjas, Fireworks, stuff like that.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

I really hope the new army is not Fishmen. I mean seriously, Fishmen???. There's nothing in that concept a creative player couldn't do with Lizardmen or Woodelves.

What if the fishmen are the troops of Cthulu?(Deep Ones) Dark hounds supporting them. Fungal lobsters things in the air? Greater Non-Deamon of Cthulhu!!!! Madness!!!
Some of the Dark Elf stuff points in that direction. A deep underground sea? Ancient civilization. Dude with a squid mask.

That would be cool!

gorgon wrote:Did I imagine that Phil K. said recently that he'd like the chance to revamp Ogre Kingdoms? I wonder if that ties in somehow, or if it'd at least be affected by the release of an Eastern army.

As far as I know that's still happening. Ogre Kingdoms update with no new models, though frankly simply releasing a rhinox kit (which I would certainly assume make the new book) would make a mint, considering all the money sent to FW or time put into conversions.

On the topic of a new race, can't say I'm really excited. Animal-dudes are pretty cool and I might be down for that, but actually the most interesting thing would be a human army that isn't British/French knights & heraldry or Germanic/Prussian walters & stanks & handgunners (& knights). As in, Nippon / Cathay would indeed be cool (and Malf could get his furry people in there too).

All the same, I agree with the comment that what WHFB needs is to get the other books updated, not dump another race into the top brackets from nowhere.

- Salvage

The whole "opposite of Chaos" thing is odd though...

There haven't been many mentions of the Moorcockian (!) Lords of Law in WHFB, have there?

I'm not even sure if the Lods of Law are still viewed as part of the modern continuity anymore. From memory Solkan gets a mention in a novel or two and the Kislev sourcebook threw some lovely references to some of them in-- glass coffins and all -- but I think that was one area GW has moved away from.

To make their swipe..... err.... homage ..yes, yes.. look more unique I guess ?

Yeah, I kind of thought the Slann and Lizardmen were the main opponents of Chaos.

Again, I swore there were rumors about monkey king-themed warrior monks or something, maybe from Shangri-La. I guess I could see how they might be positioned as Chaos fighters.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I'd hope it was 1 of 2:
1: Chaos Dwarves.
2: Dogs of War

QFT.

I hope so, too. Given that DoW had an actual "Warhammer Armies" Army Book, they "deserve" a new Army Book, following GW's statement that all armies with Army Books would remain supported (and therefore, receive Army Books).

(Being a DoW player, I'm obviously a little biased)

I don't see DoW as far-fetched. GW obviously *likes* the idea of Dogs of War, and GW desperately *wants* to fill in that huge hole in the universe south of the Empire (Estalia / Tilea / Border Princes)... But the problem has been that DoW lacks a strong unifying idea. It's hard to sell an army that's "basically Empire, but different...", in the same way that Chaos Dwarves are "basically Dwaves, but different...".

My sense is that GW hasn't been able to conceptualize the Dogs of War into a clear army concept for the past several years, and only now has the rest of WFB straightened out the the point that DoW can be returned in some kind of clear fashion. Of course, at this point, I'm pretty happy to take nearly anything.

Anyhow, the timing is right, with DoW and CD getting Army Books at the very tail end of 7th Edition moving into 8th. That kind of confirms that notion that GW is committing to update every army within a 2-edition timeframe, so there's something of an upper limit to how long an army might wait (about 10 years), even if it skips an edition.

aka_mythos wrote:Chaos Dwarves are more like Dark Eldar... they're a back burner project that they're taking their time with.

Unfortunately GW's said Dogs of War are not likely to make a return. They ended up hating the fact that it allowed every army to fill in what was effectively another armies unit and thus removing their natural vulnerabilities. If Dogs of War do get redone, you can bet that that aspect of their army will be gone.

CD and DoW are *both* back-burner projects.

I don't doubt that DoW will make a return, but not with the rules the way that they currently are.

I expect revised DoW Allies rules to be markedly different from what we have today (which is why DoW are simply banned from non-DoW armies):
1. Non-DoW armies wishing to take any DoW units *must* burn a Hero slot on a grossly-overpriced DoW "Paymaster General" with the current Paymaster Panic penalty (ha-ha!)
2. DoW units in non-DoW armies can only use their own Ld, or that of the Paymaster General, never a non-DoW General
3. DoW units "For Hire" will clearly specify who can (or can't) take them
4. DoW taken in a non-DoW army would have some kind of additional structural restrictions, such as 1 DoW Core per DoW Special, and 2 DoW Core per DoW Rare.
5. DoW Core never count toward non-DoW Core requirements.
This would basically codify Allies across the WFB universe and prevent armies from cherry-picking DoW units to inexpensively fill army holes.

So instead of Chaos simply grabbing a DoW Cannon to snipe with, they would also need to spend 75+ pts on a DoW Paymaster General, lose a Hero slot, *and* another 150+ pts on DoW Core. And in play, that cannon wouldn't be able to test off the Ld 10 Chaos Lord, but instead off the Ld8 Paymaster General. And so on.

Lords of order is a worrying thought - steampunk - oh noes. Ancient robots :(
The only way it would be cool if it was a rip off of shadow of the colossus - but obviously not so big.

Otherwise the opposite of chaos might be angels and stuff - but that sort of seems a lot like High elder to me.

I think the ogre army is pretty cool looks wise actually, very different and characterful, even if its not competitive.

I'm sad that there will be no new Chaos Dwarves apparently. Really sad. There's a lot of potential for awesome there.

I think Chaos Dwarves should come out eventually... You just need a lot of patience.