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If Cathay are monkey-men, I'm personally marching into GW and gunning them all down. Monkey-men are a stupid idea and the models would look lame.

I'm hoping for a regular asian race, with lots of explosives and samurai.

avantgarde wrote:It's a well known fact that the British are the only people who actually have souls making everyone else just glorified animals.

fething Brits! I wish we'd just nuke them already.

@Luna: That wouldn't work for WHF, the guy is obviously a Space Marine. The PAULDRONS! are a dead giveaway.

I'm hoping for a regular asian race, with lots of explosives and samurai.

Eastern-styled dragons would be cool, too...whiskers and all.

Honestly though I don't hate the monkey men idea that much, despite how disturbingly racist it is.

I mean, what would you rather play as, a bad-ass army of samurai and ninjas and dragons backed up with explosive weapons, or a bunch of vicious apes?

Monkey men? Are you serious?

An east-asia theme has the potential for a variety of amazing multi-part plastic humans, siege engines, some extra dramatic 'warriors worth a thousand', etc.

Maybe incorporate a 'tactics' system similar to the IG to give it some extra flavor so it's not just 'the empire's new clothes'.

But nah, let's take something that could be excellent and put it in a blender with a monkey and see how stupid it can look after we hit 'frappe'

Self fulfilling prophecy - reviled before it's revealed. Where are my internets?!

But seriously, they offer me an army that lets me field Ma Chao and his Agile Cavalry, I will just hand over my paycheck.

They offer me monkeymen, well I guess they still get my paycheck, but it'll be for imperial guardsmen instead.

LunaHound wrote:

avantgarde wrote:It's a well known fact that the British are the only people who actually have souls making everyone else just glorified animals.

I think an army based off Chinese wuxia films would look bad-a. Curse of the Golden Flower/Hero/House of Flying Daggers style with ornate armour and clothing.

If GW is capable of sculpting anything like that, i guarantee they'll have no problem selling them...

Oh no, FETH OFF with Dynasty Warrior and Team Ninja, that is horrible GAK and should not be brought into this. Defile something else.

"If they make Asia the land of yellow monkeys that's it, I'm done.

I really thought they'd outgrown that whole non white=non human thing."


Well We finnaly got a dark skinned tribe of Chaos warriors so thats a step in the right directions.

I was hoping that GW could be bave and put out Araby or somekinda desert kindoms. The elemental lords could rise up to take on Chaos, they rock in warmaster. Bring a Jafar Wizard or an Aladdan Like guy that can use 3 wishes per game. Camal riders (Like in warmaster) Dual wielding simatar warriors, a Sultan with his heram. How about some Desert king Who rides a Lion, Gian hyenas, A king cobra mount, Witch doctors curses and hexes. Put them both together and call it Desert nomads.

Oh but wait there is more money in Ninja. So lookout for flying monkies. Sure to Offend at least 4 ethic groups.

BrookM wrote:Oh no, FETH OFF with Dynasty Warrior and Team Ninja, that is horrible GAK and should not be brought into this. Defile something else.

Why would am i considered to be defiling something? Im just saying with art concept available its atleast as probable as yellow monkeys others
have said.

You think im trolling?

Isn´t there a tribe of tiger-headed beastmen mentioned in the fluff? It would explain the chaos-map.

BoLS has a rumour of Forgeworld working on Chaos Dwarves. Not clear whether its a full army, or reinforcements for someone else. Warriors of Chaos would be my guess if it is reinforcements.

Well past time Forgeworld gave WFB some love.

Vertrucio wrote:Considering how the Tau are basically your Gundam/Mecha in 40k, I'm really not surprised there will be an Asian themed army in WHFB.

Exactly.

This thread is starting to drift a bit, with speculation becoming something else.

Please keep the conversation on topic and polite.

Yes - keep it in tune with the Monkeys!

Maybe they'll be Panda's instead?

the cathayans are human... the cathayan int he genevieve novels is. and it was jsu that ht ekign wa refered to as the monkey king it doesn't mean he is a monkey...

also tzeentch has a large following in cathay iirc, and is refered to as Tsin Tsin. and has a pagoda tpe way of gaining rank with the tzeentch cults

yeah,
I think armoured monkeys could be cool... Like Planet of the Apes.
It has a easy size equals might system
>squirlmonkeys>monkeys>chimps>apes>kong

Mashing Monkeys with Asian Weaponry/History is no more racist than mashing Monkeys with Viking Weaponry/History...

Plus thinking about it I'd prefer Viking Monkeys.

Panic...

Personally I think he was having you on...remember that the first written accountof the fishmen is also in the WoC book.

The rumour at BoLS is that te race isnt human...

LunaHound wrote:

BrookM wrote:Oh no, FETH OFF with Dynasty Warrior and Team Ninja, that is horrible GAK and should not be brought into this. Defile something else.

Why would am i considered to be defiling something? Im just saying with art concept available its atleast as probable as yellow monkeys others
have said.

You think im trolling?

We just don't like anime fan anime getting mixed up with our hobby.

I can tfigur eou i feveryon ei stypin glik ethi sfo are ar easo n, but Fighting Panda's would be bad a**.

Viking monkeys would suck - Now Viking Bearmen would be cool, but I guess we already have Viking Wolves and Viking Marauders so . . .

If they are "human", I guess that'll be OK, but they have a lot of Ogres sitting on the shelves . . .

I still think it will be Samuari based, Tau caste system.

If you want Monkey Men - go play AT-43.

If you want any other Beast/Humanoid models, go play AEgyptus which just so happens to be the creation of one Chris FitzPatrick.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

BrookM wrote:Oh no, FETH OFF with Dynasty Warrior and Team Ninja, that is horrible GAK and should not be brought into this. Defile something else.

Why would am i considered to be defiling something? Im just saying with art concept available its atleast as probable as yellow monkeys others
have said.

You think im trolling?

We just don't like anime fan anime getting mixed up with our hobby.

Its been in there since the Eldar got added, deal with it.


Tau are much more American Mecha then they are Japanese Mecha. Its those damn Elves that are anime/japanese influenced.


Also Cathy = China

China =/= Samurai
China =/= Ninja


How about an army based around the 4 beast God/Kings to take on Chaos? Xuán Wǔ, Bái Hǔ, Zhū Què, & Qīng Lóng

I don't like it when people confuse racist (denying people their rights on racial grounds) with poor taste. Yeah in the 90s it was all the rage to overreact to everything and treat a rude t-shirt the same way we'd treat a cross burning, but this is the distant future year 2000 and something and we've moved beyond that.

So (as far as I'm concerned) yellow monkeys for China is very, very bad taste, but not racist.

Panic wrote:Mashing Monkeys with Asian Weaponry/History is no more racist than mashing Monkeys with Viking Weaponry/History...

Plus thinking about it I'd prefer Viking Monkeys.

Panic...

The reason it's in bad taste is there is a long history in the US (can't speak for UK or points beyond) of parodying east Asians as yellow monkeys (and African Americans as black monkeys). I went looking for examples but the Red Chinese blocked my search.

And with GW's charming history of making Mexicans into frogs and just this year making their one dark skinned marine chapter into hideous red-eyed jet-black mutants... well Asian monkeys would be a very, very, bad idea.

Vertrucio wrote:Considering how the Tau are basically your Gundam/Mecha in 40k,

No. They aren't. Seriously.

Have you ever even seen a Gundam before? They look nothing like Tau.

JOHIRA wrote:

Vertrucio wrote:Considering how the Tau are basically your Gundam/Mecha in 40k,

No. They aren't. Seriously.

Have you ever even seen a Gundam before? They look nothing like Tau.

Tau are supposed to be Japanese, the fact their mechs are an EPIC FAIL is irrelevant.

The name 'Tau' is supposed to invoke the Dao/Tao.

Their 5 elements are based on Japan's book of 5 rings.

Fire Warriors carry katanas.

They're supposed to be Space Japan, they ain't particularly good at it, but that was the plan.

yeah,
I'd just like to see GW monkeys.

I don't play WFB, but I'd like to have GW base models that could be used to make a Jokaero army...
If there were GW monkeys and GW apes, Jokaero could possibily be done as a counts as nid's...

Panic...

If you want to see more furries, get yourself some professional help.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:

Vertrucio wrote:Considering how the Tau are basically your Gundam/Mecha in 40k,

No. They aren't. Seriously.

Have you ever even seen a Gundam before? They look nothing like Tau.

Tau are supposed to be Japanese, the fact their mechs are an EPIC FAIL is irrelevant.

The name 'Tau' is supposed to invoke the Dao/Tao.

Their 5 elements are based on Japan's book of 5 rings.

Fire Warriors carry katanas.

They're supposed to be Space Japan, they ain't particularly good at it, but that was the plan.

Well, they could do a combine Nippon/Cathay force. Your arguments for Tau being modeled after Japan are good ones but there is a great deal of Chinese influence in their army as well. Mainly;

Their style of armor
The caste system
Utilitarianism


/As a side, I thought Tau was a common Chinese family name?

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

BrookM wrote:Oh no, FETH OFF with Dynasty Warrior and Team Ninja, that is horrible GAK and should not be brought into this. Defile something else.

Why would am i considered to be defiling something? Im just saying with art concept available its atleast as probable as yellow monkeys others
have said.

You think im trolling?

We just don't like anime fan anime getting mixed up with our hobby.

And I would definitely consider you an expert on "our hobby", being a veteran of 2 whole years.

I think KK is right. However, the new wraithlords (and possibly the older ones) look strikingly like EVA's...

Eldar has been pretty animu^^ for a while now. I would consider AESTHETIC design of the Tau to be more of a Western realization of the Anime aesthetic - which is pretty much fail. Greys in little stubby, box shaped suits? I would check out any Mecha show produced after 1980 before I labeled their Suit design anything but throwbacks to robotech.

I wouldn't really mind if they made Cathay/Nippon full of monkey people, but if they do and the sculpts look good I will try my hand at painting yellow base coats for the first time. Just to make it in really bad tastes.

I hope they have some cool looking weapons.

Now that I'm thinking about it though, what kind of fighting style would you think a race of monkeys would employ? I always think of kung fu as a pretty good example of a humanoid fighting in a monkey's style. Maybe they'll have martial artists or something like that, to add extra 'bad taste' sauce.

Monkey Kung-Fu perhaps?

I'm sure they will use multi-weapons and acrobatic movements...

What about the norse, i would love some mad ax-welding berserkers not working for khone.

yeah,
Chimps...
I think they just try to claw and bite your face off...

Panic...

If they do release Cathay, then I'm sold.


Though, I was really hoping for a halfling army......

Christ; this is looking like a pure 'no-win' situation in my eyes. According to this thread it'll be either

1. Emotionally scarred fringe flicking manga characters, complete with swords three times their size, clad in mid-90's goth wear that isn't fashionable now (nor was it in the mid-90's, to be honest). If GW goes down this route they may as well include Poke swarms to fill out a core choice.

Please do not include a manga influence. I know Tau have it, but it only affects their vehicles and armour. Much as I love certain manga films; it has no place in 40k.
Also, god help GW if they refer to this eastern army as 'Nippon'. Saying ''I play nids'' is great. Saying 'I play nips' is a wee bit different.

2. Banana swilling, Tarzan baiting Kong spinoffs. Monkey men? Really? I appreciate the popularity of the show Monkey but come on. KK has every right to feel aggrieved at the unpleasant inclinations, and I can only guess what would happen if Monkeymen were due to originate from the Old World's equivalent of Africa!

3. Japanese inspired Katana swinging death acrobats o' doom. Wow. That must have taken all of ten minutes to think up. Not content with ripping off feudal France piecemeal with the Brettonians, GW declares war on originality and uses Shogun: Total War as it's main reference point. Throw in some dragons, koi carp riding monks (or whatever) and hey presto, a fantastic sterotype with which to dilute GW even more.

Anti flak flare one: I know GW has never been original. Everything from the Horus Heresy to the council of thirteen is stolen. Why not, and this is a big ask, try something new?
Anti flak flare two: I'm only attacking the rumour here. If you like the idea of an army of apes or eyeliner wearing Manga waifs, then fine.

Could it be so hard to have a whole new species? One that is totally original, or at least so far removed from Tolkien/Geiger/Fafner(!)/WW2 that it feels..... for once, unique?

Edited to address spelling rage.