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**Sidstyler**

Dude, next time you open a post with "dude" in response to me, I'll reach through my monitor and punch you in the soul.

In all seriousness, I don't like your particular style of arguing, starting sentences with "Dude" and "Listen", or telling people to "chill" at some point, etc. It's actually somewhat condescending and makes you look like an donkey-cave in my opinion (seems a bit hypocritical for me to call someone else an donkey-cave, but nevertheless). Since apparently we're all about giving advice in this thread, here's some you're free to ignore or take into consideration: for the love of god, change that. I guarantee you all you're going to accomplish by talking to people like that is pissing them off more, you're not really helping the situation much at all.

Unless that's what you're trying to do, in which case I apologize and misunderstood your intent. Keep being a jerk and trying to egg people on, maybe you'll get lucky and the thread will be locked and you'll successfully silence another voice of dissent.

As for apparently misunderstanding your point, what the hell was your point anyway? From what I can tell you're just parroting every other "fanboi", "Go find a different game! Go play something else!" If anything you're the ones who misunderstand, you all seem to assume that if you can find fault with a product it must mean you hate it with every fiber of your being and wish death upon the company who created it, when that's not the case.

I don't really want a different game. I want GW to fix theirs. I want an excuse to keep giving GW my money instead of spending it elsewhere, that's why I bitch. I have every right and every reason to, just like how you have every right to keep screaming "LEAVE GW ALONE!" every time a thread like this pops up.

And on the topic of prices, they definitely need to think of a price first before putting gak up for advanced order, that would be the first step to making me happier. I wanted at least one or two valkyries, but I don't have any now because I'm still pissed about their "mistake", and how they think I'm so fething stupid I'll actually buy that crap. And I seriously considered going halvsies on a RoB board with my brother before the price went up over $100 for no reason.

Oh, and I couldn't resist:

the cost of the game designer's salary who writes the rules that will apply to the mini

They pay somebody to write that crap?

**99MDeery**

Pancake, I agree with your points.

Having been in hobby since 2nd ed 40k and 4th ed fantasy I have seen the models get better, but the price increases with that, in some cases that can be expected lately things have got out of hand but eh I can dig it I may not like it but at the end of the day I love the hobby, I love painting minatures and I love playing strategy games.

My simple answer has been to cut down on my spending a result to things like trades 13 - 14 years of collecting toys has left me with a massive backlog of stuff that I was either going to use to expand the armies I have or start new ones and decided to clear everything out. Barring the Guard Stuff I want and few bits for my Nurgle CSM army I really don't want or need anything else for 40k and have cut down my spending with that considerably and tbf and slowly not playing the game anymore purely because of the way the game has gone...I may be one of the few people that loved 4th edition, I loved the army lists and I loved the way the game played, the company has changed direction fair enough, I'll roll with it but its just made me go back to my first love and that is Warhammer, I've got 3 armies for that, once I sort out some more foam my High Army will continue to expand apace and I will continue to buy GW product mainly because I love warhammer fantasy, I like the way the game plays, I like the minis and I perfer the fluff when comparing it to 40k.

All it means for me is that GW have frozen out a big part of thier product range from me due to wanting the game to go in a different direction, however the other game they produced has remained true to how it should be played so i'm not going to bitch so much about GW. I don't like something they have done so I will just stop buying and playing until they do something with 40k I like again.

And with regards to the Dont like it dont buy it crowd....does that mean everyone of you still reads NaziDwarf...sorry White Dwarf...or have never critized GW for something they have done with your army/game.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Don't jump on Pancakes back, he has a right to vent his anger and for us to respond in a mature way, not be argued down with fanboi dribble.

**JohnHwangDD**

Sidstyler wrote:Dude, next time you open a post with "dude" in response to me, I'll reach through my monitor and punch you in the soul.

No problem, "bro"...

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99MDeery wrote:And with regards to the Dont like it dont buy it crowd....does that mean everyone of you still reads NaziDwarf...sorry White Dwarf...or have never critized GW for something they have done with your army/game.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

Don't jump on Pancakes back, he has a right to vent his anger and for us to respond in a mature way, not be argued down with fanboi dribble.

Oh, I have criticisms, but I don't expect GW to follow them on Dakka.

I also accept GW will do a bunch of things that I personally disagree with, or advance other's agenda's ahead of my own.

And I'm mature enough to simply not reward GW with any of my money when they choose to do so.

So I feel very comfortable lobbing a few boulders at someone who apparently overpays for stuff that drives a low value and generates excessive GW profits that could either be kept in his pocket or given to his LGS to build his gaming community. That's pretty foolish and deserving of rocks going back at his head, IMO.

But to vent and expect anything of it, that's pretty silly. He should be thankful he wasn't Warseered for not being a GW fan!

**Sidstyler**

Oh, I have criticisms, but I don't expect GW to follow them on Dakka.

Well, it's been said that GW do browse the forums at times. In either case I can't complain directly to them because they have no forum, they probably ignore e-mail and I bet you anything written letters go straight to the bin. And there's no actual GW store in my state so I can't do it in person.

I have to bitch somewhere.

No problem, "bro"...

**H.B.M.C.**

Dude, listen to me, seriously, you need to chill.

I'd just like to point out that the price of a Leman Russ Demolisher has doubled in 8 years. The ones I bought in 2001 are now twice the price! Awesome hey?

**Cryonicleech**

Ahhh, and the seeds of radicalism and zealotry are sown.

regardless, P4NC4K3, I too, feel your pain. I really don't see the need for price increase, nor do I understand why armybooks either don't get updated or whatnot.

I miss the days when GW staffers got ideas about some random facet of the fluff (I.E. Kislev Armies, Chaos Guard, etc.) that they would implement it to enrich the experience of playing this fine game. Now, it's a load of "Buy This" and "Purchase That".

And to you who say, "Don't like, don't play" honestly, that's great. It's fantastic that a person can't vent something out of frustration. No, rather, we all have to get up in arms and sound the war drums in an attempt to crush the other side's way of thinking. Don't get me wrong, it's your opinion, but why force it on someone who is simply a little frustrated?

**99MDeery**

Ah you see JohnDD, you say about your FLGS and giving them the money instead for GW product, in England there is a low ratio of FLGS compared to GW stores and I mean very low, in most towns its either GW or nothing so sadly paying thier prices is a necessary evil. I mean I live in the second largest city in the UK and the one closest to me is the other side of the city, whereas GW is 20mins walk away, dont get me wrong im all for community gamer spirit and all that but going all that way for a few toys (Which that FLGS stocks few anyway) is more excessive than even i'd go for.

Now being thankful he wasn't warseered......last time I checked this was Dakka a place for reasonable discussion so that line of argument was useless before it even left your brain for you to type it out.

I am also mature enough to not reward GW with my money for product I have no interest in.....i'm pretty sure pancake doesnt also, but perhaps he hasnt been in the hobby as long as us, if so I begin to fear if hes only been doing the hobby for a few years and already become as bitter, cynical and twisted as a 10+ year vet whos been thorugh price hikes unnecessary rules changes etc.

Also along your line of thinking lobbing boulders at someone for overpaying for things seems excessive in the extreme, I think there was a nice man around 1940 you would get along with...his name was Hitler.

And when does anyone vent on here and expect anything of it, noone does all it does is make the person venting feel a little better to get it off his chest, I remember Deadshane having a vent a few weeks ago, did he think it would change the situation.....no, did it make him feel better yes, get out of that ivory tower man.

**Marshal2Crusaders**

Sidstyler wrote:Dude, next time you open a post with "dude" in response to me, I'll reach through my monitor and punch you in the soul.

In all seriousness, I don't like your particular style of arguing, starting sentences with "Dude" and "Listen", or telling people to "chill" at some point, etc. It's actually somewhat condescending and makes you look like an donkey-cave in my opinion (seems a bit hypocritical for me to call someone else an donkey-cave, but nevertheless). Since apparently we're all about giving advice in this thread, here's some you're free to ignore or take into consideration: for the love of god, change that. I guarantee you all you're going to accomplish by talking to people like that is pissing them off more, you're not really helping the situation much at all.

Unless that's what you're trying to do, in which case I apologize and misunderstood your intent. Keep being a jerk and trying to egg people on, maybe you'll get lucky and the thread will be locked and you'll successfully silence another voice of dissent.

As for apparently misunderstanding your point, what the hell was your point anyway? From what I can tell you're just parroting every other "fanboi", "Go find a different game! Go play something else!" If anything you're the ones who misunderstand, you all seem to assume that if you can find fault with a product it must mean you hate it with every fiber of your being and wish death upon the company who created it, when that's not the case.

I don't really want a different game. I want GW to fix theirs. I want an excuse to keep giving GW my money instead of spending it elsewhere, that's why I bitch. I have every right and every reason to, just like how you have every right to keep screaming "LEAVE GW ALONE!" every time a thread like this pops up.

And on the topic of prices, they definitely need to think of a price first before putting gak up for advanced order, that would be the first step to making me happier. I wanted at least one or two valkyries, but I don't have any now because I'm still pissed about their "mistake", and how they think I'm so fething stupid I'll actually buy that crap. And I seriously considered going halvsies on a RoB board with my brother before the price went up over $100 for no reason.

Serious Revalation: I never thought about it like that.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Gandair wrote:

Show me somewhere else I can buy WH40k models that I can use in game shop play because there are non and redshirts are picky about what we bring into the store.

Before there was a GW on every street corner, we ran wargames clubs, historical, warhammer, roleplay tables.

All games under one roof, it was not GW controlled and even back then we had guys showing up with Ral Patha and Grenadier figures in their armies for warhammer/40k. It was how I came to watch, then join in and eventually run my own roleplay games.

Get a club together, liaise with the OTHER hobby clubs, local indie stores etc. Research it.

Don't sit on your arse and complain the GW store is the only place to play, get organised and get a club running, if there is enough interest in the area to justify building the GW store, you can certainly look at getting gamers from ALL the games together, without prejudice, and get a club going. Then you can use whatever the hell figures you want in your armies.

Fight the Power. Take back the streets, build your own club, gather your friends and establish your own club, found your own rules.

**Deadshane1**

Pissed off at GW?

Play Battlefleet Gothic...exclusively.

Play the best GW ruleset
Get a full fleet for less than 100 bucks
get all the "magazine" info you need from "Warp Rift"

**Sidstyler**

I am also mature enough to not reward GW with my money for product I have no interest in.....i'm pretty sure pancake doesnt also, but perhaps he hasnt been in the hobby as long as us, if so I begin to fear if hes only been doing the hobby for a few years and already become as bitter, cynical and twisted as a 10+ year vet whos been thorugh price hikes unnecessary rules changes etc.

You kinda described me there, I think. I've only really been into it since 2006 and I'm already tired of the crap.

I can only imagine how it must feel after 10 years.

**Bat Manuel**

Deadshane1 wrote:Pissed off at GW?

Play Battlefleet Gothic...exclusively.

Play the best GW ruleset
Get a full fleet for less than 100 bucks
get all the "magazine" info you need from "Warp Rift"

100 bucks?!? I made my tyranid fleet outta bitz

**Deadshane1**

Bat Manuel wrote:
Deadshane1 wrote:Pissed off at GW?

Play Battlefleet Gothic...exclusively.

Play the best GW ruleset
Get a full fleet for less than 100 bucks
get all the "magazine" info you need from "Warp Rift"

100 bucks?!? I made my tyranid fleet outta bitz

Yea, but your fleet looks like you glued peices of dried poop together with spit. YOUR spit.

...you do have a point though.

**General Hobbs**

I always love the overpriced rants.

To be concise ( I've done this comparison a few times now), you are paying less money per GW figure then almost any other game company's figures out there. Warmachine, Confrontation etc.

I know some new games have come out, and there is ubercheap stuff like Star Wars prepaints and really old Old Glory figures....

But GW isn't really all that over priced. Character models are, I agree with that. When I got into the hobby, I had no problem buying 5 Ragnar Blackmane figures for 25 bucks. I would now for what....85?

So let's use the correct terminology...they are expensive. If you think they are overpriced, then you are in the wrong hobby.

You can always try something else...like golf, scuba diving, skiiing....

Or you can buy an Xbox and 2-3 games...only what, 450 dollars? Thats maybe 700 pounds?

You know whats overpriced? Spaghetti in a restaurant. 8 dollars? I can make it at home for like 2.

I read an article by an engineer on the fightingtigersofveda website, where he analyzed the Land Raider, through design packaging, shipping and production and came to the conclusion that, at the time, it was pretty fairly priced. I think the price has gone up, but so have salaries and expenses.

Just a note on the shipping prices....they are like when you buy something on ebay and you pay shipping and handling. Their price is jacked up to cover the cost of the box, tape, packing materials, insurance etc.

Same thing with GW. Your products are "insured". If they are lost in the mail, they get replaced. If the wrong thing shows up, you get it replaced. If its damaged or missing components, it gets replaced. And you are paying for the warehouse monkey to fetch the item and put it in the deliverer's hands. If it is that late, then call them and complain! That's what their customer service department is for, and GW prides itself on that aspect.

**Delephont**

Sidstyler wrote:Dude, next time you open a post with "dude" in response to me, I'll reach through my monitor and punch you in the soul.

In all seriousness, I don't like your particular style of arguing, starting sentences with "Dude" and "Listen", or telling people to "chill" at some point, etc. It's actually somewhat condescending and makes you look like an donkey-cave in my opinion (seems a bit hypocritical for me to call someone else an donkey-cave, but nevertheless). Since apparently we're all about giving advice in this thread, here's some you're free to ignore or take into consideration: for the love of god, change that. I guarantee you all you're going to accomplish by talking to people like that is pissing them off more, you're not really helping the situation much at all.

Unless that's what you're trying to do, in which case I apologize and misunderstood your intent. Keep being a jerk and trying to egg people on, maybe you'll get lucky and the thread will be locked and you'll successfully silence another voice of dissent.

As for apparently misunderstanding your point, what the hell was your point anyway? From what I can tell you're just parroting every other "fanboi", "Go find a different game! Go play something else!" If anything you're the ones who misunderstand, you all seem to assume that if you can find fault with a product it must mean you hate it with every fiber of your being and wish death upon the company who created it, when that's not the case.

I don't really want a different game. I want GW to fix theirs. I want an excuse to keep giving GW my money instead of spending it elsewhere, that's why I bitch. I have every right and every reason to, just like how you have every right to keep screaming "LEAVE GW ALONE!" every time a thread like this pops up.

Ok, well you seem to want to turn this into some kind of group hug specific to me and you, so why not! I'll accept your offer of a dance.

I can see how you might misunderstand my post, and even go as far as calling me a fanboi.....however, the truth couldn't be further from the mark. I hate the way that GW appears to "Lord it" in the wargaming world.....someone quoted somewhere else the fact that they even go as far as calling it the GW Hobby, as opposed to the Table Top wargaming hobby, that it really should be!

I still play WH40K, in fact I had a game yesterday.....and lost, but thats not the point. I now play with the gear I have, I have resolved to spend no more money or time "investing" funds into the GW machine. When ever I get tempted to spend, I close my eyes until the feeling goes away, kinda similar to "heart burn". Now, I spend hordes of cash supporting a different system ( Infinity if you must know ) and spend even more time on said systems forum!

My point to the OP was, if the game, for what ever reason, is nolonger fulfilling your table top needs, then don't waste time shouting at the wind, otherwise known as GW, let them feel your displeasure by taking your cash and time to a more deserving point of interest. Its madness to complain about prices, and then hand over your cash like a drone.....its madness to complain about a website....while logging on! and the rest speaks for itself.

If being called "Dude" or being asked to "Listen" (which in itself is weird given this is a website based on visual input ) offends you, then please accept my apologies. I'll take on board your advice and try to edit that out of my responses in the future. A word of advice back to you, that, you may chose to accept or decline. Web posts, like all forms of written communication are subject to misinterpretation, I may wrte something and you may read it completely opposite to the way in which it was intended. You may want to consider this next time, before becoming irrate and agressive.....but again, thats your choice!

**99MDeery**

Actually if its 450 US Dollors, its only going to be about £300, still very good point though. I love video games don't get me wrong i'm sure alot of other people do, I just don't derive as much enjoyment out of them as I do painting and playing warhammer.

**Sidstyler**

The only thing I really want to argue about is this.

You may want to consider this next time, before becoming irrate and agressive

Is anyone ever actually irate when they post on a forum? I can't ever think of a time where I was typing a post out and I was seriously angry. Annoyed maybe, but never frothing mad.

**Delephont**

@ Sidstyler

Ok, well, as thats the only point from my post that recieves a response, I'll assume my other points made some sense.

**Deadshane1**

Delephont wrote:@ Sidstyler

Ok, well, as thats the only point from my post that recieves a response, I'll assume my other points made some sense....dood!

Fixed it.

**Delephont**

Deadshane1 wrote:
Delephont wrote:@ Sidstyler

Ok, well, as thats the only point from my post that recieves a response, I'll assume my other points made some sense....dood!

Fixed it.

Dude, listen...errm, I mean, read me! You spelt Dude wrong. C'mon, what are they teaching you American kids these days?.....oh, and take a chill pill!

**Emperors Faithful**

Sidstyler wrote:
If you can't stand people voicing their opinions on a public forum and complaining about their least favorite aspects of the hobby with likeminded individuals then why do you put up with it and post here?

Touche, Sidstyler!

**CT GAMER**

Sidstyler wrote:
I am also mature enough to not reward GW with my money for product I have no interest in.....i'm pretty sure pancake doesnt also, but perhaps he hasnt been in the hobby as long as us, if so I begin to fear if hes only been doing the hobby for a few years and already become as bitter, cynical and twisted as a 10+ year vet whos been thorugh price hikes unnecessary rules changes etc.

You kinda described me there, I think. I've only really been into it since 2006 and I'm already tired of the crap.

I can only imagine how it must feel after 10 years.

Try 18...

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Delephont wrote:

Dude, listen...errm, I mean, read me! You spelt Dude wrong. C'mon, what are they teaching you American kids these days?.....oh, and take a chill pill!

Get back to us when you guys can actually pronounce the letter "h"

**Voodoo Boyz**

Your points are mostly valid, but if you don't like it play a different/better game.

For me it was mainly the asinine release schedule, method of updates, and stupid rules & game balance issues that drove me out of 40k (to the point where I can't stand to play the game), and eventually from WHFB (where I'll play, but refuse to buy new models/armies).

I'll gladly play PP games, at least the way they mesh their business model & prices along side their game/rules is far more conducive to my enjoyment of their "hobby" over GW.

**Balance**

Gandair wrote:I can't stand the don't like it don't buy it crowd.

Simply for the reason you can't get Warhammer 40k minis from anyone else. They know it and exploit the crap out of it.

You seem to be making the assumption that 40k is the only game in town. There's other games that have, at least, different problems. P4NC4K3's complaints go way beyond a few models and is a definite list of dissatisfaction with GW at several levels: Models, online support, books, magazines, even other players.

There's other games out there! They just don't have the player base, which is always a problem area. It's a catch-22. No one wants to play other games because they can't reliably find opponents, which is because no one else wants to take the plunge.

Playing a game purely because "you can find players" is not good recipe for a good gaming experience, especially if (like P4NC4K3) you've got issues with a game and it's producer on multiple levels.

As a more moderate suggestion, maybe take a look at some other games, but don't try ti switch over 100%: War Machine is still popular, Flames of War has it's attractions, and I feel I should at least make a token attempt to shill for DP9 as I do some work for them. However, plan ahead: If you have a large army case you haul to the game store, look at games with the idea that (for now) you'll want to take the GW kit (40k army, rule book, codex, dice, templates, etc) and one (or even better, 2) small armies for the other game in the same carrying case. I know a lot of games can do this: I can fit a lot of my own Heavy Gear armies in a single 1.5" Sabol tray, for example. I've heard War machine could be done similarly, depending on how many Warjacks an army needs and can fit in a tray.

This way you've still got the go-to game (40k), but if both players are bored, you can try the new game... Especially if you've got two small forces for it. If you have fun, maybe the other guy can do do the same, and if you get a bunch of people interested, then you can look at the big step of leaving the 40k armies at home.

Additionally I've found that taking a break from painting at a particular scale or kind of model can make returning to that scale much more fun. Moving from (say) Sisters of Battle to Gears and back again is surprisingly refreshing.

**Grot 6**

Sidstyler wrote:
garret wrote:It just get annoying after awhile. They hate everything yet they still play. Its like people who complain about elections but did'nt vote.

Uh...no, it's not like that at all, actually. If anything it'd be like complaining about the guy you voted for when he doesn't live up to your expectations, which most people would say you earned the right to do by supporting him in the first place.

The guy has every right to bitch because he's given GW so much money. In your opinion, playing a GW game at one time, any time in your life, means you can never ever complain about anything they do and if you do you're a hypocrite because you played their games? Doesn't make much sense.

I stand by what I said, if you get tired of reading about the bitching then take your own advice and just don't read it. These threads are pretty much always clearly labeled, don't tell me you were tricked into reading this thread by the title. "Annoyance? Annoyance at what, I wonder...oh FFS, he's bitching about GW, I didn't see that coming AT ALL!"

I don't understand the vitriol I read about GW on these forums.

Then you haven't been paying much attention.

If you don't like what GW is doing stop supporting them! No one is forcing you to play their games!

Does simply playing the game count as supporting them? You're not buying new stuff and giving them more money, you're just using the old stuff you already paid them for.

it really burns my ass when people come on to places like this and literally turn their backs on GW

Why do you care so much? And why the feth can't you people just fething ignore it if it burns your ass so much?

These other games need to be talked about, and advertised. This whole thread could be dedicated to something ultimately better than "isn't GW crap!". Like so many have already said, you can do a quick search, and you'll find loads of threads about the hate of GW.....lets not give them any more free advertising, cause even negative feedback is feedback!

Yeah, most companies love negative feedback. Losing potential customers and more money isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing!

Because I love the game, I love the lore and most of the minis, I have a group of 12 friends who play (all...sorry ALL of whom are now no longer increasing their army sizes or buying new armies, all...sorry ALL of whom Would have but for the OVERPRICING OF A PRODUCT THEY LIKE).

What kind of gak comes up with a line like "Well, if you don't like the price, go do something else!!?!?"

As a consumer of a product, you can find fault in it, you can complain about price increases, as someone who's been into this gak for 20 fething years I can certainly see a fair amount I am not impressed with. What those in defence of GW aren't quite getting is that many of us who are not impressed have not just 'joined', some of us have witnesses, over the course of time longer than the lifespan of some folks posting here, the slow and inexorable deterioration of the HOBBY that is warhammer/40K.

As a professionally employed adult with a good wage takehome, I will complete my ork army and then cease on GW products, in the meanwhile and even afterwards, if I want to rant on this forum about the greed and lack of interest in their customers being demonstrated on a daily basis by this company, THEN I WILL.

Good points. Hopefully some people watching this thread will learn a thing or two and stop preaching this "DON'T PLAY THE GAME THEN IF U DON'T LYK THE PRICES!" crap, because that really burns my ass.

QFT

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P4NC4K3 wrote:This, basically, is a list of the things I think are wrong with GW, categorised too!

Disclaimer: All these things are my opinion, feel free to disagree

The Models Themselves

Not much wrong with these except that they are WAY overpriced IMO, I appreciate that Oil prices have an effect on plastic but £25 for 10 plastic Greatswords is ridiculous, GW also seem to be heading along the 'Less for More' path, I notice that Battleforces/Battallions, which cost £40 not too long ago, now contain less models and cost £60 in some cases!

I also have a bone to pick with LotR, it seemed to be mainly an excuse for selling millions of the same model, but in different poses, wielding a different weapon, on a horse, wearing a hat etc. If GW wanted that much variety, why don't they make LotR characters as plastic kits?

The Website

FAR inferior to the old one, all the old articles are gone (just about) and replaced with ones such as 'let's tell you how to glue this together', the ordering section infuriates me too, despite the fact your paying an arm and a leg for your models in the first place, GW force you to pay £4 for P&P! £8 for express delivery! I live in the UK and this is what they charge me! The ordering process is difficult as well, for example, Bits & Kits (A company I sing the praises of BTW) have a clear, concise order form that explains everything to me, they charge £1 for P&P (reasonable) and £0 for orders of £15 or more, and the order usually arrives within 2 days, GW on the other hand, their Order form doesn't help you at all, they charge £4 for P&P and an order I placed roughly 6 weeks ago still hasn't arrived!

Codices/Army Books

IMO, when a new codex comes out, it leaps ahead of all the others (WHFB Army Books do this less TBH) this means that players of armies with old, dated codices (I.E. Inquisition, Necron and DE players) have to work hard (even resorting to beardiness) in order to compete with the latest releases

The other thing that annoys me is that the Fiction in Codices and Army Books is VERY weak, the stories seem to go with the rule that 'quality doesn't matter as long as we include every special character in the book'

White Dwarf

ahh, the glory days of WD, when the articles were useful and fun to read and the magazine seemed to have a soul...

Nowadays, WD is little more than a catalogue, the articles tend to say 'you'll have great fun if you buy this...'
I suppose the main reason for this is that WD is heavily biased, it is published by GW themselves so it won't point out the flaws in anything

Also, the pricing's a bit steep isn't it?

Specialist Games
Never get mentioned now, save the odd nod in Standard Bearer in WD or the notification of some event (which is usually Blood Bowl) there is such a large amount of potential for GW if they went about reintroducing these classic game systems

In-Store

Now, this might just be related to me but at my local GW (which will remain unnamed to avoid offence) a lot of the people within are slack-jawed idiots, one such example being when I made a joke about giving my WoC Warhounds asymmetrical horns by saying "Symmetry is for the Weak!" And one idiot said "Durr, don't you meen sanitee liek in dorn of warrz?" I was tempted to smack him. Either that or they are arrogant fethers who belittle anyone who can't paint (but really wants to improve)

Rant Over, for now...

AND.....

If you are just figuring this out, now, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING OR DOING YOUR SABBATICAL?

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LunaHound wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
mikhaila wrote:
Hah, you come to a public forum and get all worked up about your toy soldiers.

on a forum about those toy soldiers... And he's having a moment of clarity, we don't snipe at that, we congratulate him.

P4NC4K3 took the red pill.

I second the motion!

**Bat Manuel**

Deadshane1 wrote:
Bat Manuel wrote:
Deadshane1 wrote:Pissed off at GW?

Play Battlefleet Gothic...exclusively.

Play the best GW ruleset
Get a full fleet for less than 100 bucks
get all the "magazine" info you need from "Warp Rift"

100 bucks?!? I made my tyranid fleet outta bitz

Yea, but your fleet looks like you glued peices of dried poop together with spit. YOUR spit.

...you do have a point though.

I had to match them to my opinion of the game

**GoFenris**

Leave GW alone! Leave it alone!

Thanks for making me smile for numerous reasons.

Great thread!

**H.B.M.C.**

As for apparently misunderstanding your point, what the hell was your point anyway? From what I can tell you're just parroting every other "fanboi", "Go find a different game! Go play something else!" If anything you're the ones who misunderstand, you all seem to assume that if you can find fault with a product it must mean you hate it with every fiber of your being and wish death upon the company who created it, when that's not the case.

I don't really want a different game. I want GW to fix theirs. I want an excuse to keep giving GW my money instead of spending it elsewhere, that's why I bitch.

Emphasis mine. This sums it up perfectly.

**whatwhat**

You know like...when someone posts a question...in the p&m section...and they get told...this has been posted before...search before you ask. ...Well...is it just me?...or has this discussion been had before?

**H.B.M.C.**

Yes because Emperor-forbid we have discussions again. I mean, we've discussed Marines before, so no more Marine discussion.

Talking about Marines is banned. And Orks. And GW. And Jervis. And PP. Yep. Everything we've discussed has been done and is now off limits.