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Polonius wrote:

you can also sacrifice a fattened calf to tiamat. Both things will result in roughly the same results.

I mean, you're right, and who knows, it's possible the feds will care about this one. Odds are, not really. It also appears that she's in England...

If its out of country, your screwed short of a dakkaite showing up on his doorstep and asking for the models. Its why I no longer trade out of the continental US. No recourse. Canadian mail service sucks.

carmachu wrote:[
If its out of country, your screwed short of a dakkaite showing up on his doorstep and asking for the models. Its why I no longer trade out of the continental US. No recourse. Canadian mail service sucks.

No it doesnt , 1 week delivery time + tracking + confirmation .
its great!

Yeah but you have to wait in long lines and you can't pick your postal provider. Not like in the good ole US of A where we have privatized postal care.

Hollismason wrote:MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDERRRRR!!!!!!

Wtf is this? The Department of Precrime?

By "instant payment", I assme PayPal or somesuch?

And by "about a month", I assume less than a month?

I'd reverse the payment and dump the PMs in the Swap Shop.

Don't forget, you have a limited time to file a complaint with PayPal, if you want your money back. In the mean time, battle axe + head = stress relief...... HEY!! IT WORKS FOR ME, OK?!?!

Ahh, I see you made a complaint about me.

Considering I posted in on Saturday I think this thread should be locked.

It generally is not my problem that I had to take an emergancy trip to my father's. And neither is it that my mum didn't post the parcel.

But nevermind, my bad.

Cheers,

Jack.

Blightdron wrote:Ahh, I see you made a complaint about me.

For what seems to be a pretty valid reason.

Considering I posted in on Saturday I think this thread should be locked.

No, I think there is still relevance. If nothing else, we can bask in the sheer coincidence of the package being shipped after the thread was started. What are the odds....?

It generally is not my problem that I had to take an emergancy trip to my father's.

Yes it is.

And neither is it that my mum didn't post the parcel.

Yes it is again. If you agreed to do something, you should do it. If unable to perform, you should refund the money. If nothing else, you send a note explaining what happened. Not to minimize your problems, but a little communication goes a long way.

Blightdron wrote:Ahh, I see you made a complaint about me.

Considering I posted in on Saturday I think this thread should be locked.

It generally is not my problem that I had to take an emergancy trip to my father's. And neither is it that my mum didn't post the parcel.

But nevermind, my bad.

Cheers,

Jack.

How old are you that you can't post a parcel yourself?

jp400 wrote:Reason #4,000,001 why I wont buy anything of this site.

I bought something from a member of this site once. It went so well I kinda wish we had a feedback system.

LunaHound wrote:

No it doesnt , 1 week delivery time + tracking + confirmation .
its great!

Yes it does. I wont do it ever again after one or two times.


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Blightdron wrote:Ahh, I see you made a complaint about me.

Considering I posted in on Saturday I think this thread should be locked.

It generally is not my problem that I had to take an emergancy trip to my father's. And neither is it that my mum didn't post the parcel.

But nevermind, my bad.

Cheers,

Jack.

After a month of delays? No it shouldnt. Its premature. When the models arrive and are accounted for then it can be locked.

You took too long to post up. you made excuses. ist your problem.

I'm 13. I didn't make any promises about when I could post the parcel. I have been very apologetic. And it hasn't been a month.

I generally didn't think I'd get my ass tanned about it like this but I had problems that cropped up again and again.

I'm deepy sorry again.

Cheers,

Jack.

carmachu wrote:

Polonius wrote:

you can also sacrifice a fattened calf to tiamat. Both things will result in roughly the same results.

I mean, you're right, and who knows, it's possible the feds will care about this one. Odds are, not really. It also appears that she's in England...

If its out of country, your screwed short of a dakkaite showing up on his doorstep and asking for the models. Its why I no longer trade out of the continental US. No recourse. Canadian mail service sucks.

I love the way you completely ignore the fact that both parties are from the UK

corpsesarefun wrote:

carmachu wrote:

Polonius wrote:

you can also sacrifice a fattened calf to tiamat. Both things will result in roughly the same results.

I mean, you're right, and who knows, it's possible the feds will care about this one. Odds are, not really. It also appears that she's in England...

If its out of country, your screwed short of a dakkaite showing up on his doorstep and asking for the models. Its why I no longer trade out of the continental US. No recourse. Canadian mail service sucks.

I love the way you completely ignore the fact that both parties are from the UK

And I love the fact that we couldn't have known that when we made our comments. Which makes your post not only snarky and pointless, but the product of not following a thread closely. Nice try though.

BrookM wrote:
Jack.How old are you that you can't post a parcel yourself?

Exactly!!!! i send parcels often with almost no problem , the mail person even help me sometimes.

Only problem is receiving though . They require ID , proof of residence etc etc, so i get my cousin to deal with those.

Well, the problem with using his age as a defense is that he's basically saying one of two things:
1) I know I shouldn't have delayed, but I'm a kid so hopefully I can get away with it, or
2) I shouldn't have been dealing with adult stuff, I"m just a little kid so please leave me alone.

Either one is fine by me. If you want to be treated like an adult, than you need to deal with the fact that you dropped the ball. If you want to be treated like a kid, well, we can patronize you all day long.

Thats why one shouldnt do deals on dakka, IF THE PERSON is under a certain age/maturity level. Im sorry but at 13, theres no WAY one would be responsible enough to conduct proper business. Sorry you got hosed athb hopefully it gets sorted

KingCracker wrote:Thats why one shouldnt do deals on dakka, IF THE PERSON is under a certain age/maturity level. Im sorry but at 13, theres no WAY one would be responsible enough to conduct proper business. Sorry you got hosed athb hopefully it gets sorted

Well, in the US the courts agree. Nobody under 18 can sign a valid contract. But 13 year olds do business all the time: paper routes, babysitting, mowing lawns, etc. A swap shop deal isn't exactly high finance, it's "I'll send you money, you put the stuff in a box and mail it to me." While I would be leery if I knew the kid was that old, I'm also not going to steer clear just because of age.

Honestly, age has little to do with this. I've had deals where I didn't ship for three weeks. Stuff happens. You cop to it, offer a refund, sweeten the pot, ship when they ask, whatever it takes. In my experience, as long as you answer emails within 24 hours, pretty much any delay or shenanigan will be ignored by most traders. Time isn't the factor, it's the worry that they've been had.

13 years old???

Hmmm... I hesitate to say this, but you should not be selling stuff online. Maybe, maybe not, but I feel you have proved that you cannot handle it.

...man, I would be pretty pissed if I found out I had bought stuff from a 13 year old kid. These are the kind of transactions where your parents should basically take care of it. We are not talking about washing a car or selling lemonade here, regardless of the profit made. Take that as an insult if you want (most kids would), but I would simply not buy from ANYONE under 18.

Just too risky, and this all makes a whole lot more sense now.

It is good that you showed yourself, although I am not sure why you did it, and that matters even more than showing up at all.

On top of this you could be using your age as an excuse, and that is most definitely what appears to be happening. FCS it is the internet, I can't even know if you aren't actually some 40 year old dude.

Polonius wrote:Honestly, age has little to do with this. I've had deals where I didn't ship for three weeks. Stuff happens. You cop to it, offer a refund, sweeten the pot, ship when they ask, whatever it takes. In my experience, as long as you answer emails within 24 hours, pretty much any delay or shenanigan will be ignored by most traders. Time isn't the factor, it's the worry that they've been had.

Age actually has a lot to do with this, because if anything goes wrong the kid's parents are responsible for his actions. Anyway... What if he (I think) was 10 years old? 8 years old? I have no problem with an 18 year old age limit for ALL laws such as cigarettes, drinking, and joining the military, but 18 years old is the key word here. It may not be High Finance (DERRR!) but it most definitley involves stuff that most kids just do not get. If you are 18 you are responsible for your own actions, and that is my main issue with this, the seller can easily use age as a trump card and has done so already.

"Note"
I will simply not use the DakkaDakka swap shop with people I do not know from real life, it is simply not set up to keep things in line, as this is primarily a forum site and I sure as hell would like it to stay that way.

Polonius wrote:
Honestly, age has little to do with this.

QFT , im a good example if i dare say so!

Sure i messed up often on my trades , but i fix it right away within the same day on my own expense.

For example , with Alpharius i had trouble fitting the Phantom Titan in the box it came with among the foams and the wraith guard he wanted.
so while switching to a bigger box i forgot the foot that was laying beneath the foam. Upon arrival Alpharius told me , and immediately i sent out the foot , express + tracking.

Same goes with My necron trade , i was so proud of been able to send out my side of trade package the very same day i receive the items that i forgot to pack the codex in.
so i ran out , bought a large letter bag and mailed the codex right away.

Age has nothing to do with it!

I have also taught swimming lessons from 5 year olds to Adults from since 14 ( people know my capabilities and thus entrust their lives and their childrens lives to me )

LunaHound wrote:

Polonius wrote:
Honestly, age has little to do with this.

QFT , im a good example if i dare say so!

Sure i messed up often on my trades , but i fix it right away within the same day on my own expense.

For example , with Alpharius i had trouble fitting the Phantom Titan in the box it came with among the foams and the wraith guard he wanted.
so while switching to a bigger box i forgot the foot that was laying beneath the foam. Upon arrival Alpharius told me , and immediately i sent out the foot , express + tracking.

Same goes with My necron trade , i was so proud of been able to send out my side of trade package the very same day i receive the items that i forgot to pack the codex in.
so i ran out , bought a large letter bag and mailed the codex right away.

Age has nothing to do with it!

You are 13 as well then?

BrookM wrote:
You are 13 as well then?

No... 16 now , but 13 is only 3 years ago and i was already actively trained for life guarding.

*edit the quote thing is weird.

Lunahound wrote:Sure i messed up often on my trades , but i fix it right away within the same day on my own expense.

This shows a level of maturity that most kids simply do not have Luna, you are ahead of the game. I have mainly been talking about online sales BTW, but to some degree I would most definitely feel the same way in a "real" life situation. My personal opinion I suppose, but I simply cannot agree that age has little to nothing to do with this, because it does. The seller also mentioned shutting the thread down... yes... I mean what? I see red flags like a maple in the fall written all over this one, and I tend to listen to my intuition with very consistent results.

It is ludicrous to expect a child (13-15 you are still a child, 16+ you are STARTING to develop a serious maturity) to be able to act like an adult in this type of situation, I have no second thoughts about his part, you just cannot treat a kid the same way you would an adult, PERIOD.

To say that adults are just as lazy and blablablabla is pretty irrelevant here because we all know that, but it does not change the fact that they are SUPPOSED to be more mature than a kid, no if's and's or but's about it. Adults are actually REQUIRED to be more mature, but we won't get into that one.

I would say that at 16 I would hesitate to agree with myself now, but this is pretty pointless too, I have learned and matured drastically since then.

Do what you want, and I hope Athba gets all of this resolved.

Lunahound wrote:I have also taught swimming lessons from 5 year olds to Adults from since 14 ( people know my capabilities and thus entrust their lives and their childrens lives to me )

You cannot honestly tell me that you are there unsupervised, I would consider that illegal.

Wrexasaur wrote:

Lunahound wrote:Sure i messed up often on my trades , but i fix it right away within the same day on my own expense.

This shows a level of maturity that most kids simply do not have Luna, you are ahead of the game. I have mainly been talking about online sales BTW, but to some degree I would most definitely feel the same way in a "real" life situation. My personal opinion I suppose, but I simply cannot agree that age has little to nothing to do with this, because it does. The seller also mentioned shutting the thread down... yes... I mean what? I see red flags like a maple in the fall written all over this one, and I tend to listen to my intuition with very consistent results.

Wrexasaur wrote:I will simply not use the DakkaDakka swap shop with people I do not know from real life, it is simply not set up to keep things in line, as this is primarily a forum site and I sure as hell would like it to stay that way.

jp400 wrote:Reason #4,000,001 why I wont buy anything of this site.

We've been trying to roll out changes to hopefully improve things in the swap shop. Ketara's Reputable Traders List is a bit of a nice start, for instance. Admittedly a bit of extra caution isn't a bad thing to have.

If you all have any suggestions for improving the Swap Shop (short of trying to turn it into another Bartertown/etc), please post in the Swap Shop Suggestions Thread. We're happy to entertain any input from Dakkites!

Wrexasaur wrote:Hmmm... I hesitate to say this, but you should not be selling stuff online. Maybe, maybe not, but I feel you have proved that you cannot handle it.

You shouldn't sell stuff online if you're unwilling to part with the goods.

13 or not, you're in the wrong here, make good on the deal or refund the money because honestly no one wants to hear "Wah I'm a kid leave me alone!"

After a month I wouldn't hesitate to call paypal and get my money back.

Sacrifice the sensei to the emperor, and say that the guy who did the fraud caused the horus heresy.

Listen,
I know what I did was wrong. But I generally couldn't work my way around it. I don't expect the "Oh, he's just a kid." sympathy because I have traded before on Dakka and things ran very smoothly.
I did send various messages apologising for the delays.

Like I said before, I actually posted the models on Saturday- along with a few extra bitz to compensate.

I do not wish this to become a "Oh that's Jack, A.K.A Blightdron. He can't follow his trades up properly."

I also want to avoid any personal attacks on my maturity. I'm not someone to whine about it though, but if you honestly still feel that way, I apologise.

I have at no point said "I'm not able to deal with the responsiblity" because I would be lying. I am completely able to do so, and in all fairness to Athba I do understand why she got angry and asked for a refund.
(I'm not sitting here thinking "What's the problem with her?")

As a little reassurance, the models should arrive at your doorstep in about 2 days time.

Sorry for making any bad impressions and causing a huge inconvenience.

Cheers,

Jack

Jack -at no point did i release your details on this thread - you chose to reveal yourself.

I was seeking advice re this trade but keeping your id quite for the moment.

I look forward to receiving my items.

Just to clarify i sent payal payment on the 27th June - i think i am within reason to say that is a month.

Anyway - i'll let you know when i receive items.

Oh well, all worked out well in the end (post permitting )