In an all out total war who would win ??? Orks VS Imperium. Vote now !!!

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**Xav**

Emporers faithful its not just a guard throwing a tantrum, its a Imperial guard high commander throwing a tantrum which scares me!

Could Emporers Faithful possibly be Emporer trying to spread Imperial lies? Is the Golden Throne fitted with a Laptop?

**1hadhq**

Xav wrote:Emporers faithful its not just a guard throwing a tantrum, its a Imperial guard high commander throwing a tantrum which scares me!

Could Emporers Faithful possibly be Emporer trying to spread Imperial lies? Is the Golden Throne fitted with a Laptop?

1) imperium never lies and is always right,

2) Emporers faithful can't be emperor. Would had autoclosed the thread and deleted the xenos-supporters then....

3) Golden Throne and laptop?

Greatness needs more bandwidth.

4) if unsure about the imperial truth, please read the "imperial infantrymans uplifting primer" and gain some insight.

**Lord_Lockhart**

aww 22 to 15

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! see how i did that it gets louder

**1hadhq**

nice try.....

But its still silent where i live.

**aflax1**

Orks win they reborn and are limitless on men and supplies because of previous looting.

**Battle Brother Loken**

It all falls to this factor
can the orks storm the Imperial Palace which i would say no they can not
so why you may kill a ton of us i doubt you could break your way in and if we are going by GW Gulimam would come out of his coma and start kicking the living

out of the orks

**Kragura**

Imo if the orks got together the imperium would be in the gak, however this probably wouldn't happen so I voted for the imperium

**Lord Chiasson**

The Imperium IMO

They have best tech cause they and the orks only exist now(If im getting this right), superhuman warriors with centuries of experience and have conducted war for millennium and there Fleet and The Guard also have knowledge of War for millennium orks i know are born for fightin but having experience in the conduct of war kinda have an upper hand when youve dealt with same situations before. Also Imperium is no longer fighting on multiple fronts giving them new worlds to conquer and there numbers go up alot, the orks can do this too but there busy still fightin each other and The Imperium which means more fronts to defend as there fighting each other and them. Just a few of the many examples why Id think The Imperium win

**Emperors Faithful**

Xav wrote:
Could Emporers Faithful possibly be Emporer trying to spread Imperial lies? Is the Golden Throne fitted with a Laptop?

Of course not! (I'm the next-closest thing though) And I hear they've got great reception there...

**Cullen Owen**

It's very simple...The Imperium would/will win because of the SPACE WOLVES!!!!!!! Russ will come back to find one of the only chapters even close to legion size, and the poor orks won't even know what hit them!

I will note that the ork empire fighting the 'nids (from Planetstrike, I can't remember the name and don't have the book here) suddenly was let loose they would cause some SERIOUS problems for the Empire.

**Lord-Loss**

Consider this Children on the Emporer.
Well the Imperium as a whole are idiots, simple, they have dreadought bodys, but the knowledge of how to make a dreadnought is LOST. Everytime they make a ship they loose knowledge and get worse and worse.
Orks: Re-produce on the front line with combat knowledge which a guardsman could not acheive into several months of training.

There are bigger, stronger and immune to diseases. Imperial Guardsman commanders to make mistakes and see Armagddon as your example, legion etc. You forget there are arrogent stupid commanders out there.

There are worboss's out there that could kill the Emporer!

Dont you dare question me on this, it says somewhere Horus saves the Emporer from being strangled by a Giant Ork warboss.

So you have to remeber Virus bombs are rare and will weaken will time. Orks are great at adapting tech and could loot a titan, if left half destroyed. They can produce fleets faster then Imperium, there are Orks in multiple Galaxy which WILL be included in this battle.

Every dead Titan/knight/space marine/guardsman wont come back quick enough.

Titans cant be made so they are limited in numbers. Roughly 80 billion guardsman?

Average Guardsman (JOE) VS Average Ork (Mulka).
Joe has a lasgun and standard armour for a guardsman.
Mulka has a pistol and an axe, Mulka would win. Orks are superior to Guardsman, and Guardsman take like 20 years to bring back.

Orks have been around since C'tan times, so like a billion years. Imagine an Ork releases 100 spores per lifetime, each Spore becames an Ork.

Someone do the MATHHAMMER and work it out Ork releases roughly hundred spores over billion years multiple.

**KommanderKurtikai**

yeah, if ALL orks were fightin' the imperium and galaxy would be doomed, my votes on them

**Emperors Faithful**

But you forget. Orks are dumbass. Emprah/Imperium badass. BIG difference.

Also, we only know that Horus intervened in the fight, killing the warboss as he tried to strangle the Emprah. TRIED. I don't have to go through the fact that the Emprah could easily melt his mind, do I?

We KNOW that it is pretty much impossible for orks to unite. (Look at the top of the forum) And even the ork dex mentions this.

Also, while titans are nigh on priceless, what makes you think they can NEVER be replaced? One of the dexes (I think CoD) mentions a NEWLY founded Titan Legion.
You may think that ships get worse, but they DON'T. That is what the STC's are for. The help the Tech Preists keep true to form.

**1hadhq**

Lord-Loss wrote:Consider this Children on the Emporer.
Well the Imperium as a whole are idiots, simple, they have dreadought bodys, but the knowledge of how to make a dreadnought is LOST. Everytime they make a ship they loose knowledge and get worse and worse.
Orks: Re-produce on the front line with combat knowledge which a guardsman could not acheive into several months of training.

As EF said, intelligence is not on the side of the greenskin....

Dreads can still be repaired , built, same for ships.

Orks also do not reproduce on the front. Plus have the exp of some feral beasts, called instinct.

Lord-Loss wrote:
There are bigger, stronger and immune to diseases. Imperial Guardsman commanders to make mistakes and see Armagddon as your example, legion etc. You forget there are arrogent stupid commanders out there.

None of the most arrogant and stupid commanders is as tactical untouched as 99% of the orks.
Armageddon, fine. Proves the fail of orks always winning as argument here.

Lord-Loss wrote:
So you have to remeber Virus bombs are rare and will weaken will time. Orks are great at adapting tech and could loot a titan, if left half destroyed. They can produce fleets faster then Imperium, there are Orks in multiple Galaxy which WILL be included in this battle.

virus are not soo hard to reproduce.
Fast produced crappy tech gets blown apart easily.
Why ignore the fact that orks do not willfully navigate in space, just go where their fate leads?

And its time to drop that nonsense about multiple galaxys in 40k. The only race from outside are the nids.

Lord-Loss wrote:
Every dead Titan/knight/space marine/guardsman wont come back quick enough.

the legion of the damned marines always return....

But dead orks stay dead.

Lord-Loss wrote:
Average Guardsman (JOE) VS Average Ork (Mulka).
Joe has a lasgun and standard armour for a guardsman.
Mulka has a pistol and an axe, Mulka would win. Orks are superior to Guardsman, and Guardsman take like 20 years to bring back.

Joe has some friends with big guns. Mulka wont make it.

Lord-Loss wrote:
Orks have been around since C'tan times, so like a billion years. Imagine an Ork releases 100 spores per lifetime, each Spore becames an Ork.

Someone do the MATHHAMMER and work it out Ork releases roughly hundred spores over billion years multiple.

Another example of changing fluff to fit.

Lets see. Orks were made from old ones. Orks fougth, but when the pointy eared were sly enough to hide, orks still tried to win.
Necrontyr conquered the galaxy and their ctan lords harvested anything. Orks cut down to a few hiding spores.
Orks rebuild numbers, but pointy eared rule the stars. Pointy eared fail and mankind rises.
Emperor slaughters any threatening xenos, cutting down orks again to a few hiding fungi.
Without the emperor around, orks stick their head out again.

Plus include in your mathhammering the fact that the ork race consists of orks, grotz, snotlings and squigs.
Spores become one of these types of ork. So not all are orks, maybe more supporting little critters than warriors.
Additionally, life forms only sport that much spores if they expect most of them to die.
Nowhere is stated all spores grow up successfully.

So please mathhammer all these points.

**Lord-Loss**

FYI Dreads can not be re-built, it says in C:SM. Mulkan also has friends with big guns, but were not including them. Your not answering the question average Guardsman vs Average Ork boy, Ork boy wins.

Orks achauly come out of the Spore with the knowledge how to fight, not instincts.
Like orks come out with the knowledge how to make stuff.

Titans are a list tech, and ships aint built off a STC.

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I like Xavs answer in the last thread, and 10k years ago i think the Imperium would have won. But seriously without the Primarchs or the Emporer and half they tech they cant even re-produce. The imperium is a gak hole built of religion and old tech that cant be replaced.

**1hadhq**

Have you Really read C: SM?

so ork boy wins...... the price for worst smelling fungi ?

Excluding whatever makes your comparision worthless wont save you.

Guard is a shooty faction. Looking at them only in HTH may not cover them correctly.

**Emperors Faithful**

Perhaps an average guard MAY lose to an average boy, (though there are plenty of cases of it not going so well for orksies in one-on-one combat). But this is beside the point. Just look at the thread title. Orks Vs IMPERIUM.

What the HELL do you know about how spaceships are built? Just read th chaos part of the BRB. Mentions Abbadon attacking a hive planet so that the nearby ship foundry wouldn't have anyone to make or crew the NEW ships.

Also, quit it with the hyperbole about other galaxies ruled over by gargantuan orks.

**Lord-Loss**

Read the title ORKS vs Imperium that means all Orks, so ha!

Well we know there about 80billion guardsman, and an unknown number of Orks but evidence shows they vastly outnumber the Imperial forces, but not as well equiped.

Just start this gak about the Imperium would bomb the Orks, cause they wouldnt, otherwise they always would.

**Emperors Faithful**

...I know it meant all orks. If it was just Mulka vs Imperium then he would be fist-$£@^ed in SO many different ways.

We know that orks probably outnumber IG. But it is very unlikely that they outnumber ALL humans. (Remember hive cities and such)

Just START? this gak? (I believe an edit is order)
Also, if this is the only threat that mankind faces, I don't think they would hesitate to bomb whatever they need to.

**Orkeosaurus**

In terms of sheer numbers and planets Orks occupy more of the galaxy than any other single race

Guardsmen are not a race. Humanity is a race.

Orks outnumber humans, which isn't surprising since they also have more planets.

**Emperors Faithful**

Where does it say that? *serious question and serious face*

Also, hate to bring it up again but occupying does not necessarily mean controlling. And even if that were the case you would HAVE to be including all those gretchins and snotlings, which are at least a DOZEN times more common than the average boy. the humble IG or even 8-year-old girl, is a bloody space marine compared to a gretchin/snotling.

**Lord-Loss**

Thank you Orkeosaurus.

Emporer Bitch, as im going to call you cause you love him so much

Well Malka is one Ork yes, he could not stand vs the Imperium.

Average Joe could not stand against the whole Ork race.

Two correct statements, but this is all the Orks, and the ones from other galaxys and they are the dominant race there.

The imperial sentinals have come back with Ork gak recorded in them.
If Orks dont have a challenge apart from themselves, they are going to produce at a alarming rate.

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Emporers Bitch

where does it say Grots are more common then boys, i dont think thats true because they die so easily, and quickly.

**Emperors Faithful**

Ork Bitch (which I shall contiune to brand you if you keep up this name-calling) I was simply arguing that it does not do to simply compare two of the BASIC soldiers and say which one is better to see which RACE winz. (Also, I'm only going to POINT at catachan and the other "toughie" IG...then facepalm you). *facepalm*.

*sigh* Despite the top of the thread clearly saying this was about the civilizations of thr 40k galaxy there are still ork fanboyz (cue Ork Bitch) who hyperbole about galaxies where orks win and are in charge. It's really sad. We all know it's becuase they can never hope forsomething like that to happen when the Imperium is around. *snicker*

*sigh...again* There are definitely more grotz than boyz, but not THAT many becuase there own side killz them so much.

Also, orks send off spores a lot yeah. Some of these spores die. Some don't. And the orks would definitley be a threat if they stopped killing each off at an alarming rate for one SECOND. But they won't. *snicker again*

**Orkeosaurus**

EF: Where's your evidence?

Because I think it's pretty obvious that Games Workshop (who are in charge of the universe) have said that Orks outnumber humans. I haven't heard a word of evidence from you, only unlikely scenarios that would make me wrong (such as "Games Workshop really meant that Snotlings outnumber humans when they said Orks" and "'Occupy' means they don't 'hold' it").

**Lord-Loss**

Well do you have evidence that some Ork spores die?
Everything on the Ork side, we have evidence for, do you have evidence about the speed of Imperium ship creation?

Where you evidence for the number of guard?

We have evidence that identifys the Orks as the biggest race, we have evidence that the Ork could destroy this Galaxy in a green tide.

We have evidence that Orks can loot and produce tech faster then Imperium.

We have evidence that Orks can develop tech unlike the Imperium which cannot produce half there tech anymore eg Dreadnoughts, Titan and Knights.

**Emperors Faithful**

*sigh* (been doing a lot of that recently)
@Orkeosaurus: oK, I'll admit I don't have a lot to back up my arguement. But surely you can see that only the STRONGEST spores would grow into boyz, and the rest would be grotz and such?

I have no way of knowing the total number of IG. Utterly impossible to calculate. The BRB only points out the biggest planets. Some of which produce over a million regiments per annum. (Same as you cannot truly know the extent of ork numbers)

1) Yes. It has been pointed out to me. A lot. But we know, and the codex itself says, that orks by thier very nature cannot unite.

2) WTF are you talking about? Where IS this tech?

3) WTF are you talking about? (Knights? Grey Knights?) They are people. Not machines. Also, dreds can be reproduced. Just not fast at all. Same with Titans. (I point you to the St Cyliia massacre. Newly founded Princeps legion turned to chaos)

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P.S. Thanks for longer calling me Emprah's Bitch.

**Lord-Loss**

A Knight: "Resembling a brutish, mechanical humanoid some nine metres tall, Ares Lictor was a paladin-class Knight, a one-man war machine of deep blue armour plates with a fearsome array of weaponry beyond the power of even the strongest of Terran Emperor's Astartes to bear"

The tech to make dreadnoughts is lost, look the Smurf marine Codex on the dreadnought page.

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The Mechs are born already knowing how to make gak so they can produce stuff faster then any Imperial world could.

**Emperors Faithful**

WFT?!? I've never even HEARD of these guys! What are they? Termie/Drednoughts?

I doubt it is lost completely, but I don't have the vanilla codex lying around to prove you wrong. I would say they can. Simply becuase the recover the wreckage and inter new bodies into drednoughts.

*laugh and point while holding ribcage* Okay. Phew. That is so sad. Ok, two words. FORGE...WORLDS...get it? I know mechs get all creative and such, but the flashiest thing I've seen around is there Shokk Attack Gunz, and they get themselves killed almost as much as the enemy. I don't think killa kanz/ dredz and stompas are anytihng fancy or impressive. A 6-year-old human could likely do better! (If the ban on tech wasn't so bad)

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lol, I said WFT, but I meant WTF.

**Lord-Loss**

Tech preists aint allowed to mess with the tech or they get beaten up, i have evidence for that too!

Knights are like the Adepts bitches like Titans realy there owned by the Adepts.

**Emperors Faithful**

But Imperium tech works fine as it is. Well...compared to ork tech.

Also, what exactly do these knights have to DO with anything?