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Alpharius and Omegon, cus there's two of them

darkkt wrote:Oohh forgot Magnus the Red slapping down some hard core sorcery action take the steal.

Why did that post suddenly make me picture a Basketball game with all the Primarchs vs the Emperor? I don't even like Basketball!

hmm.... i can't decide between magnus and russ...
i'm going to say magnus would win though.

Toughest: Russ.

Best fighter: Sanguinius.

In between: Angron.

Because Angron is the perfect balance between the two, with the savagery of Russ and the skill of Sanguinius, I'd have to go with Angron.

Horus - No argument.

He simply was the toughest, strongest, most bad @$$ of them all.

alright, something we need to clear up, OP, is Horus traitor yet?

crazypsyko666 wrote:Toughest: Russ.

Best fighter: Sanguinius.

In between: Angron.

Because Angron is the perfect balance between the two, with the savagery of Russ and the skill of Sanguinius, I'd have to go with Angron.

Exactly my thinking!

The OP stated pre heresy, so Horus is out. Sangy was easily holding him at bay and debating him while Horus was crazy jacked up by the four gods. Without any upgrades, no way Horus has a chance. The only way Horus won was because the Chaos gods mind-shanked Sangy, and Sangy was too naive to realize his brother had drank the koolaid.

I don't really get the Russ love. I guess he got punched in the face by the Emprah w/ powerfist? Not really that impressive to survive that, a sixth of everybody hit by powerfists are fine, apparently.

metallifan wrote:Horus.

He DID (practically) kill the Emperor after all...

That was only because he was all drugged up on chaos!!

The Lion is famous for being a tactition so he would not do well in it. It would come to a fight between Russ, Angron and Horus. with Angron winning

horus was a mix of all the best traits

and btw the lion is one of the best tacticians and wasnt shabby in the fight so if russ couldnt beat the lion (seemed to be on equeal footing) would that mean if the lion decided to have a scuffle with the emperor when he turned up on caliban would you not have seen the same thing "possible powerfist to the gut"

except the lion would be probably planning each move before he made it in a fight which could explain why he could fend off and match up with russ

Sanguinius.
Straight up can beat the others in a both a bueaty, badass AND fighting contest. And he has WINGZ. Don't even TRY to argue with the fact that Sanguinius IS a frikkin angel of death.

I am not sure who I vote for, probably Karandras

What I do love about Russ is that he dueld the emperor, got hit by a powerfist, and continued as if nothing happened

All these Blood angels players going Sanguinius for no reason other than loyalty. Where's Angron now? DP. Where's Magnus now? DP. Where's Fulgrim now? DP. They survived. You know who didn't?

Where's Sanguinius now? Another notch on Horus' Sword. Just another Lamb for the Slaughter. He wouldn't win in a fight, he wouldn't even realise he was fighting (i.e. Horus Heresy).

Angron all the way. He is a Berzerker (=Win in CC) and a Primarch (=win always). How could he lose?

This is pre-heresy so lets date this like twenty years before the Heresy. All the Primarchs have been found etc.

Still Russ all the way.

I believe that Angron was a gladiator. So he constantly practiced 1 on 1 fights, thus beeing better prepared for the slugging match.
However in any fight the cheater will win so my money is on Magnus, Alpharius

Apharius got Owned by Girlyman.

Getting hit by a powerfist = insta death.
Getting hit by the emperor = insta death.
Getting hit by the emperor of space wearing a powerfist then carrying on fighting him = priceless

My money is on Russ.

If we are saying 'most badass' then Angron is out, he's waaay to undisciplined and zerkered up.

Imperial Monkey wrote: The Lion is famous for being a tactition so he would not do well in it. It would come to a fight between Russ, Angron and Horus. with Angron winning

Lion and Russ fought for ages with no clear winner so why is Russ deemed stronger all of a sudden? At the end of said fight when Russ was having a bit of a chuckle about the whole thing Lion walked up and knocked him out cold. I think Lion stands as much chance as Russ!

I don't know much about Angron, what did he do PRE-heresy, when he was "just" a primarch to raise him above the others? From what i've read he had implants to make him more aggressive and therefore was more of a fruitcake and bloodthirsty.

Whoever voted for Magnus must remember, he got pwnd by RAGNAR BLACKMANE, who is not even a primarch, and never even became a full-fledged Grey Hunter.

also, the Russ+Lion fight that lasted for days was more of them wrestling around like brothers, not actually fighting, why else would Russ just stand up and start laughing, if he was really fighting him tooth and nail, the Lion wouldn't have had a chance. The Lion also took the fight much more seriously (hence the suckerpunch)

I can definately agree its a fight between Angron-Russ-Sangy, with Sangy losing first because he was merely the best swordsman, not the best overall fighter and Russ beating Angron, because Angron was a crazy bastard, where as Russ actually used tactics sometimes (sometimes)

Maugan-Ra

Magnus: he'll just mind F$#^% you then, turn you into something like a lawn chair or a golden toilet???

Vote for Magnus, for being the bad ass, hes under rated IMP

Demogerg wrote:Whoever voted for Magnus must remember, he got pwnd by RAGNAR BLACKMANE, who is not even a primarch, and never even became a full-fledged Grey Hunter.

also, the Russ+Lion fight that lasted for days was more of them wrestling around like brothers, not actually fighting, why else would Russ just stand up and start laughing, if he was really fighting him tooth and nail, the Lion wouldn't have had a chance. The Lion also took the fight much more seriously (hence the suckerpunch)

I can definately agree its a fight between Angron-Russ-Sangy, with Sangy losing first because he was merely the best swordsman, not the best overall fighter and Russ beating Angron, because Angron was a crazy bastard, where as Russ actually used tactics sometimes (sometimes)

Not slightly biased due to loving Space Wolves at all?

All indications of the fight between Jonson and Russ were that Russ started it due to Jonson killing the guy (Durath?) that insulted him. He was apparently furious and thus a mass brawl ensued, a bit more than brotherly wrestling me thinks. Russ was supposed to have been the stronger whilst Lion was the faster of the two. He stood up and started laughing i would have imagined because he saw the pointlessness of the whole thing. After all, had Lion not actually just killed the guy who insulted him afterall?

Madgod wrote:Where's Sanguinius now? Another notch on Horus' Sword. Just another Lamb for the Slaughter. He wouldn't win in a fight, he wouldn't even realise he was fighting (i.e. Horus Heresy).

Horus was full of Chaos power at that point, so it's not like they ever fought purely with their own natural skills and power.

Guard wrote:

Demogerg wrote:Whoever voted for Magnus must remember, he got pwnd by RAGNAR BLACKMANE, who is not even a primarch, and never even became a full-fledged Grey Hunter.

also, the Russ+Lion fight that lasted for days was more of them wrestling around like brothers, not actually fighting, why else would Russ just stand up and start laughing, if he was really fighting him tooth and nail, the Lion wouldn't have had a chance. The Lion also took the fight much more seriously (hence the suckerpunch)

I can definately agree its a fight between Angron-Russ-Sangy, with Sangy losing first because he was merely the best swordsman, not the best overall fighter and Russ beating Angron, because Angron was a crazy bastard, where as Russ actually used tactics sometimes (sometimes)

Not slightly biased due to loving Space Wolves at all?

All indications of the fight between Jonson and Russ were that Russ started it due to Jonson killing the guy (Durath?) that insulted him. He was apparently furious and thus a mass brawl ensued, a bit more than brotherly wrestling me thinks. Russ was supposed to have been the stronger whilst Lion was the faster of the two. He stood up and started laughing i would have imagined because he saw the pointlessness of the whole thing. After all, had Lion not actually just killed the guy who insulted him afterall?

Very biased, but thats ok, because this is the interwebs.

There are actually at least 3 different sources that tell of the fight between Russ and the Lion, each one is slightly different, and of the 3 that I know of, 2 point to Russ thinking it was a brotherly brawl, and the 3rd, was in the DA codex, and it paints the picture that the Lion thought Russ was commiting heresy.

so interweb bias, Check.
sourcebook bias, Check.


EDIT* its all in good fun, and I am not trying to pick a fight with anyone, I am just playing the "part" of the staunch Space Wolf supporter.

The Lion+Sangy+Russ+Angron in one body would probably be more than enough to take down most galactic empires. The Lion is a genius, maybe not the best fighter, but he sees the bigger picture, AND the details. My money is on Angron because of unpredictability. You don't win fights in gladiator matches JUST because you're a primarch and a berserker. He was unpredictable, and that was what made him scary. If it were Russ or Sangy, sure the Lion would take a beating, but he'd be smart enough to come out on top. He did destroy an entire world full of carnivorous 20 foot monsters, didn't he? Changing the status from death world to a regular one? The fight between he and Luther also DESTROYED his planet. A fight between two people, with enough power to blow a planet to bits. An exterminatus can only destroy the surface.

the planet was detsroyed because chaos was involved not because the lion was so powerful.
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Russ would still win. hands down

Lorgar. That boy has issues.

Actually, didn't Horus himself comment that it should have been Sanguinius to have been given the mantle of Warmaster?

i dont even play space marines i say Russ