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corpsesarefun wrote:
Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Or the dog eventually decides that its better off simply eating your face, as opposed to trying to decipher what you want. Now, a child is probably not going to eat your face, but you also can't have him put down if you don't like the way he's turning out. There's a fine line in there which requires more thought than "My child is crying, I guess I should hit him".

dogma wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Or the dog eventually decides that its better off simply eating your face, as opposed to trying to decipher what you want. Now, a child is probably not going to eat your face, but you also can't have him put down if you don't like the way he's turning out. There's a fine line in there which requires more thought than "My child is crying, I guess I should hit him".

O Lord, Dogma has come to draw out this post!
But, you are absolutely right....anyone hearing that old song, "The World Turned Upside Down"?

dogma wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Or the dog eventually decides that its better off simply eating your face, as opposed to trying to decipher what you want. Now, a child is probably not going to eat your face, but you also can't have him put down if you don't like the way he's turning out. There's a fine line in there which requires more thought than "My child is crying, I guess I should hit him".

Slapping/smacking/spanking are one of the more extreme methods of punishment, before that sound telling offs/warnings and withdrawel of things they enjoy doing (such as toys) as well as timed isolation are good punishments.

My father never lay a finger of me yet i rarely if ever speak to him, when i do its an argument or his birthday, but conversely my mum DID propperly punish me as a child an i get on well with her.

The whole violent punishment = resentment argument seems kinda moot in this situation.

When I first read the title of the thread, my immediate thought was "My dad finally decided to shop at Wal-Mart."

corpsesarefun wrote:
Slapping/smacking/spanking are one of the more extreme methods of punishment, before that sound telling offs/warnings and withdrawel of things they enjoy doing (such as toys) as well as timed isolation are good punishments.

My father never lay a finger of me yet i rarely if ever speak to him, when i do its an argument or his birthday, but conversely my mum DID propperly punish me as a child an i get on well with her.

The whole violent punishment = resentment argument seems kinda moot in this situation.

I wasn't only talking about violent punishment; just the overuse of punishment. I only used the word 'hit' as a reference to your comment about dogs.

dogma wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:
Slapping/smacking/spanking are one of the more extreme methods of punishment, before that sound telling offs/warnings and withdrawel of things they enjoy doing (such as toys) as well as timed isolation are good punishments.

My father never lay a finger of me yet i rarely if ever speak to him, when i do its an argument or his birthday, but conversely my mum DID propperly punish me as a child an i get on well with her.

The whole violent punishment = resentment argument seems kinda moot in this situation.

I wasn't only talking about violent punishment; just the overuse of punishment. I only used the word 'hit' as a reference to your comment about dogs.

Overuse of anything is bad, thats why the word is OVERuse

I'd never slap someone else's screaming kid.

I'd use a silenced pistol - the last thing everyone else needs is more noise.

(No, I don't like children. No, I have none of my own. No, this attitude will not change when I have my own as I CANNOT be a biological dad).



Children should be seen and NOT heard. Preferably not seen either - send 'em back down into the pits to watch the canaries.

I know I've wanted to do exactly what the old guy did almost every time I have gone to Wal-Mart.

I have 7 nieces and nephews and take care of all of them a good amount of the time, they would never start any crap in public or at our home.

Is there a website set up to donate bail money?

corpsesarefun wrote:Slapping/smacking/spanking are one of the more extreme methods of punishment,

I wouldn't say "extreme", I'd say "traditional".

"Extreme" would be something like flogging with a cat-o-nine tails or horsewhipping - something that is designed to do permanent (physical) damage...

I never did any of this crying or complaining in public stuff when I was a kid.

Why?

My dad spanked me when I did something stupid.

Kudos to the old dude.

On the other hand my mom did none of the spanking stuff so I never listen to her.

I've always seen spanking as barbaric. I never had any need for it (but my dad did it anyway because he was angry at my mother or drunk and depressed a lot of the time).

Corporal punishment is OK with your own kids.

Spare the rod, spoil your afternoon.

Jeb_stuart wrote:I do not think that you, or anyone for that matter, has the right to tell someone how to raise their kids.

Okay... I already said previously that you will and can do whatever your little mind deems fit, that is your role as a parent. Just do not expect people to agree with you because you managed to have a child, that action is quite simple to do, the next step is feeding them.

I do not talk to most parents because they take great offense that I even have an opinion about their actions. So what... live with the fact that I am not in your face about it, and move the feth on...

(n) corporal punishment (the infliction of physical injury on someone convicted of committing a crime)


Totally acceptable...

HELL im going to say it. give this guy a medal. Keep your kid shut or lock them in the house till they do.
if i was this kids parents i would give him cash

This one should do quite well...

corpsesarefun wrote:
Overuse of anything is bad, thats why the word is OVERuse

Obviously, but the trick is determining what actually constitutes overuse. Not every transgression needs to be punished, unless you consider a stern word to be punishment.

All of you that talk about kudos and pats on the back for this fool would be squawking out the other sides of your mouth if it was your two year old, or your nephew/niece, grandchild, whatever. I'm not happy about lazy and dim bulb parents that let their kids run wild, but that is only the parents fault. If a dirty look doesn't let them know exactly how you feel, it doesn't matter, because they are already in the hell of their own making. They took the easy road early when they had a baby and refused to learn how to raise and discipline a child. They will pay and pay all childhood long, and continue paying as they see what a sorry job they did after their child is an adult.

That said, if my child was assaulted like this, I would get my children out of his hands, then kick him and beat him with whatever was handy till he stopped trying to get up. Hell, if I saw any child assaulted by an adult, I would intervene, even if it meant threat directed at me.

Krak_kirby trust me when I say that we have the technology to deal with these cats...



And this always helps.



Anyway, I think I am going to take a ride on the ole' unicycle... good times.

Krak_kirby wrote:...threat directed at me.

My friend... the only thing that is a threat takes a form akin to this, and at that point you may as well finish mowing the lawn.

Slapping doesn't seem so bad compared to this...

http://www.canada.com/news/national/Mother+beaten+Winnipeg+baby+overjoyed+teen+intervened/1956555/story.html

Bad article, bad grammar and context = failed journalistically.

Okay, specifics aside chick hits baby, someone protects baby, happiness and joy for all. Thank "insert something here" that this kid is okay.

In depth review... ummm....

Okay crazy lady attack young child....

then the stuff happens...

and someone lays a smack on the crazy bitch....

Ummm.... yeah that seems to be about all.

hellsguardian316 wrote:reminds me of when i was walking around tesco, a little girl was in the trolling and screaming with what could be described as a high pitched screech. Painful to be near the thing, yet the parents were casually walking down the aisles as though nothing was wrong.

Good parenting advice is when your toddler is having a tantrum, they are seeking attention. By ignoring them you discourage tantrums.


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BrookM wrote:The face says it all really..

If I was in the supermarket and saw a 2-year-old who looked like that I would be tempted to hit him.

Kilkrazy wrote:

hellsguardian316 wrote:reminds me of when i was walking around tesco, a little girl was in the trolling and screaming with what could be described as a high pitched screech. Painful to be near the thing, yet the parents were casually walking down the aisles as though nothing was wrong.

Good parenting advice is when your toddler is having a tantrum, they are seeking attention. By ignoring them you discourage tantrums.

True, however it still takes a while for the child to understand and is not practical in a public place.
If a child is screaming while people are trying to quietly shop then the parents need to actively stop the child, whether its by a punishment or one parent taking the child outside of the shop - or both.

There seems to be some blurring of the topic. Some seem to be talking about parenting in general, and other seem to be talking about public behavior in regards to children.

I could care less how you want to raise your child. When I do start to care, is when you bring your rugrat to a public place, let him or her run around and/or scream, ignore your child as part of 'good parenting' (which I do agree on, btw) and expect all the strangers around you to "work with you" and take it in stride.

I didn't decide that you should have a kid. I don't want to deal with the noise. If your kid likes to run around, put him on a leash.

When I was a bratling, if I acted up in a public place, my mother yanked me out of the store immediately. Being hollered at and spankings usually followed, away from the people I was probably annoying.

Kilkrazy wrote:If I was in the supermarket and saw a 2-year-old who looked like that I would be tempted to hit him.

corpsesarefun wrote:True, however it still takes a while for the child to understand and is not practical in a public place.
If a child is screaming while people are trying to quietly shop then the parents need to actively stop the child, whether its by a punishment or one parent taking the child outside of the shop - or both.

Yep...

http://www.google.com/search?q=2%2B2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

Okay? now this...



You do the frakking math.

Wrexasaur wrote:

Jeb_stuart wrote:I do not think that you, or anyone for that matter, has the right to tell someone how to raise their kids.

Okay... I already said previously that you will and can do whatever your little mind deems fit, that is your role as a parent. Just do not expect people to agree with you because you managed to have a child, that action is quite simple to do, the next step is feeding them.

I do not talk to most parents because they take great offense that I even have an opinion about their actions. So what... live with the fact that I am not in your face about it, and move the feth on...

(n) corporal punishment (the infliction of physical injury on someone convicted of committing a crime)


Totally acceptable...

Is that all you remembered from my response? Sorry, I hadn't noticed that you had already said that, I was just stating a point, and I shouldn't have singled you out like that.

No worries, this is the Webz, and my point/opinion (remember the webz does skew opinions quite profusely) was not specifically directed at yous'....

But in the future I recommend taking quick duck when you lay down claims that merit my ballista of whammy and serious pontification to lay waste you your previously "ignored" post... take offense because this tangent can take me onto the... you get the point.

JEB_Stuart wrote:QFT! But every parent should be free to raise their child as they see fit.

Well, no. I mean, no parent is free to punish their child by putting a cigarette out on their face. On the other hand, the state can't intervene to the point where parents are punished for buying their children too much junk food. At the end of the day people can't argue that the state cannot limit how parents can raise their children, nor can people argue that there must be a limit of the state's authority to intervene, what we can do is discuss exactly where that limit starts and ends.

Somewhere in between there's a whole lot of grey. A lot of folk argue that the 'banned' category should include spanking, but a lot of the research looks kind of dubious to me. On the other hand I'm not sure spanking is needed, parents have a lot of other effective tools at their disposal.


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corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah! when a kid misbehaves, reward him with sugar treats?
Theres a flaw with this somewhere...

Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Don't hit a dog on the nose. It's like punching a dude in the junk. A dog responds more to disapproval than it does to pain, so it isn't necessary.

Lots of psychological research shows that reward is more effective than punishment as a way of influencing behaviour but punishment is easier to do and people often enjoy doing it.

corpsesarefun wrote:Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Don't fething hit a dog on it's nose. Ever. It's nose is highly sensitive and vulnerable to damage. You can permanently injure a dog that way.

If you want to demonstrate to a dog that you're pissed at it, place your hand over it's muzzle, fingers one side and tumb the other, applying very very little pressure. This mimics the way an alpha will place it's mouth over the muzzle of a subordinate in a wolf pack.

Don't hit animals unless they are making concerted effort to eat you.

Sebster wrote:Don't hit a dog on the nose. It's like punching a dude in the junk. A dog responds more to disapproval than it does to pain, so it isn't necessary.

Please note that morons will learn in due course... so the fall does make you hurt as you hit the ground... and you see the light of your truth... *angelic *


Yep... uh huh, sure, w/e... .



The dog... is totally serious and you should simply not mess with him... seriously though man.

"Note"
This is his Mom...

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Don't hit animals unless they are making concerted effort to eat you.

Yep... uh huh, w/e, sure, kinda... O SNAP!!!



Wait... are they dancing? Yes, I think they *squish*