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Orkeosaurus wrote:Uh oh. Frazzled's in trouble.

heh, heh, heh.

I can see both sides to this. far too many aparthetic parents dont care what nuisances their kids become.

I reember an article in the press where some munter wouldnt stop her kid from screaming on a bus journey. The driver stopped the bus and threw them off as he couldnt concentrate on his driving. The drivers was suspended, but what was he to do, he stopped the bus and asked the mother to quieten the chidl, she did not do so. What next drive on and have an accident?

No its not normal for a child to cry or scream incessantly, it occurs because of bad parenting. Yes children cry, and even scream, but usually at responce to something, if the child is in pain that is one thing, but if the little brat is just wanting to vocalise its a sign of something else. Apathy and lack of parental discipline.

I above case shows what happens when things go too far, yes the man was out of order, but so was the mother.

JohnHwangDD wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_re_us/us_stranger_slaps_toddler

I just gotta say - if some old man slapped my kid, I'd curb-stomp his ass into the ground.

I mean, the kid is 2 years old...

I'm surprised the mom did not tear his eyes out and stick them on her hat as trophies.

Kilkrazy wrote:If I was in the supermarket and saw a 2-year-old who looked like that I would be tempted to hit him.

LOL you are so bad KK!

Wrexasaur wrote:WREX SMASH!!! WREX SMASH!!! WREX SMASH OLD MAN!!!

Oh my, Frazzled and Wrexy in agreement. This is a scary way to begin the day. Everyone tuck and roll!

Orlanth wrote:No its not normal for a child to cry or scream incessantly...

Dude.. did you read the frakking OP?!? I am surprised at your seriously demented approach to this.

A TWO YEAR OLD CHILD!!! Can you even imagine how lucky this guy is that he did not meet the Mother from hell? Seriously though... god freaking damn.

corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah! when a kid misbehaves, reward him with sugar treats?
Theres a flaw with this somewhere...

Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Or it leaps up and bites your face off...

Frazzled wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah! when a kid misbehaves, reward him with sugar treats?
Theres a flaw with this somewhere...

Oh and wrex, if you hit a dog on its nose for doing something wrong it learns not to do it again.
Same applies to children.

Or it leaps up and bites your face off...

in which case you punt it mid air

A NEW CHALLENGER!!!






No need... these jokes make themselves .

Ya' see where I am going with this one?



OH SNAP YOU GOT FLANKED!!!

Vladsimpaler wrote:I never did any of this crying or complaining in public stuff when I was a kid.

Why?

My dad spanked me when I did something stupid.

Kudos to the old dude.

On the other hand my mom did none of the spanking stuff so I never listen to her.

Do you even read before you post? The old fart hit someone else's kid.
Genghis Connie was known to thrown a tantrum or two during THE TWO's-earning the name Genghis...
I remember carrying her over my head out the pizza joint when she had a snot slinger. Whenever she had a fit, out she went.
But if some old man came up to She Who Must Be Obeyed and said he'd hit GC, I am reasonably sure She Who Must Be Obeyed would have beaten the old man to death, instantly.

Frazz wrote:But if some old man came up to She Who Must Be Obeyed and said he'd hit GC, I am reasonably sure She Who Must Be Obeyed would have beaten the old man to death, instantly.

Wrexasaur wrote:

Orlanth wrote:No its not normal for a child to cry or scream incessantly...

Dude.. did you read the frakking OP?!? I am surprised at your seriously demented approach to this.

A TWO YEAR OLD CHILD!!! Can you even imagine how lucky this guy is that he did not meet the Mother from hell? Seriously though... god freaking damn.

He already did meet the mother from hell, just a different sort. The sort that lets her brats scream incessantly.

No it isnt normal, a child cries it gets the needed attention and then stops, especially at 2 years old. If it was a 6 months baby or less then the child may qwell scream incessantly if unattended, even then they stop if attended iunless in physical distress.
A 2 year old that doesnt stop bawling has a problem, and that problem stems from either injury or bad parenting.

Orlanth wrote:

Wrexasaur wrote:

Orlanth wrote:No its not normal for a child to cry or scream incessantly...

Dude.. did you read the frakking OP?!? I am surprised at your seriously demented approach to this.

A TWO YEAR OLD CHILD!!! Can you even imagine how lucky this guy is that he did not meet the Mother from hell? Seriously though... god freaking damn.

He already did meet the mother from hell, just a different sort. The sort that lets her brats scream incessantly.

No it isnt normal, a child cries it gets the needed attention and then stops, especially at 2 years old. If it was a 6 months baby or less then the child may qwell scream incessantly if unattended, even then they stop if attended iunless in physical distress.
A 2 year old that doesnt stop bawling has a problem, and that problem stems from either injury or bad parenting.

No it stems from being a 2 year old.

I concurr, controlling your own kids is the responsibility of the parents and the parents alone. There are only a few rare instances where a stranger should attempt to control someone elses child, But going as far to as to willfully causing ANY physical harm to someone else's child is down right wrong and uncalled for.

(as an example I would class a rare instance as a small child running wild around a GW store, grabbing peoples prized models and playing soldiers violently with them and breaking things as the parents just watch saying "oh aren't you naughty" in a joking voice with no attempt to stop or punish him/her. I've had a young teenager throw a full deck of cards at my face from a metre away which i can promise you fething hurt as well as risking eye damage only to turn at the parent to await them to tell them off for them to joking say their name and then laughs. I can promise I'm not a violent person but I had to force myself to leave the room to stop myself decking two people)

As others have said, sometimes words have the best impact on children, and public disappoval can upset many adults too.

In this case slapping the toddler merely exacerbated the situation.

The problem is this, you don't slap a kid in public. My parents always took me to the bathroom of a store to kick the crap out of me.

That's what the "aunt" should've done in the first place.

Once again we have lots of bad advice from people without any parenting experience.

As others have said, you don't always know WHY a given child is crying. The parent probably does. This is a hugely important factor. Additionally, you don't know the child's behaviorial patterns and why a parent may or may not be taking a particular course of action.

One great lesson you learn as a parent is that you as an outsider don't know jack about someone's else's kid or situation. That's why other parents are much more likely to give someone else the benefit of the doubt, while single people act perturbed because a misbehaving child is ruining their flow as they shop at friggin' Wal-Mart.

I mean, really. If you don't like kids, perhaps Wal-Mart ISN'T THE PLACE FOR YOU. But I digress.

Apparently, many of you were perfect angels even as toddlers because your parents spanked you once in a while. But I have some news for you. YOU WEREN'T. You were a miserable monster at times, spanking or not. Because that's how all children are from time to time. Yes, some kids are out of control far too often. But *all* kids are out of control once in a while.

Yeah, I'm a bad parent because my two-year-old -- who is by all accounts a well-behaved kid -- sometimes gets upset when he's tired or frustrated. Good god, some of you have a lot to learn.

They will...they will...

I have found its temporary though. Once, the kids grow past that, some of the old feelings return. Get that demon spawn out of my face!

I'm actually ok with the little ones. Its the older kids that need a beatdown...

My Grandad has raised 3 kids and also been very involved with 8 grandkids too. Though if its someone else child then he has no patience whatsoever

Parenting is something you learn from being a parent or at least by being invloved in the day to day lives of kids (looking after the kid for a few hours and changing their nappy does not count by far) Which is why as gorgon said, fellow parents are more understanding about these things. Clearly the guy in that report has no patience and was just a miserable old man

Its nice to see the view points from both parents and non parents in this thread

You don't let a darn kid cry in a freakin store. Other people are there to shop, not listen to some kid scream.

Yeah, I babysit, I babysit a 6,5, and a now 3year old all at the same time. Now, being only a babysitter, hitting is out of bounds. Instead I put them in time out. But what about stores? That's easy, take them out of the place as punishment.
If the kid was tired then wouldn't the best choice be to leave the store anyways?

Its a win-win, if the kids just being a monster then its punishment, if the kid's tired then its naptime.


P.S. I'm not a perfect "angel" because I was spanked "every once in a while" I'm a good kid because I was spanked whenever it was necessary.

halonachos wrote:You don't let a darn kid cry in a freakin store. Other people are there to shop, not listen to some kid scream.

Yeah, I babysit, I babysit a 6,5, and a now 3year old all at the same time. Now, being only a babysitter, hitting is out of bounds. Instead I put them in time out. But what about stores? That's easy, take them out of the place as punishment.
If the kid was tired then wouldn't the best choice be to leave the store anyways?

Its a win-win, if the kids just being a monster then its punishment, if the kid's tired then its naptime.


P.S. I'm not a perfect "angel" because I was spanked "every once in a while" I'm a good kid because I was spanked whenever it was necessary.

QFT

gorgon wrote:Yeah, I'm a bad parent because my two-year-old -- who is by all accounts a well-behaved kid -- sometimes gets upset when he's tired or frustrated.

Or teething.
Or trying to express himself (toddlers don't have an expansive vocabulary).
Or his schedule get interrupted.
Or overstimulated (kids get overwhelmed easily in loud/bright situations).
Or picking up on the hostility and tension from some ugly old man in a loud and busy store.
Or the 1,000,001 other reasons that set a toddler off as they still haven't really learned to express themselves clearly to others, get frustrated, and go with what they know (screaming uncontrollably).

Too many posters here assume that toddlers are as rational as a well-adjusted adult. They aren't. These people also assume that parents are always able to control their kids tightly - they can't. Even the best parents get so worn down that all they can hope is to get through their daily schedule without having an incident like this.

Very good post, Gorgon.

@ Halonachos/hellsguardian316 - Of course thats easy to say, but not so easy to do if you've driven twenty mins (or more, my nearest big store is 35mins away) and you need some stuff from the store in question that day.

Or if a single parent with no one else to look after the kiddies and you need dinner.

Oh and I ignore my kids the very rare time they do tantrum, usually in a store, and because they want something. For me its working as the best policy as right now the younger one is the ony one who does it, my 5yr old learned screming and wailing doesn't work ages ago.




edit - ninja'd by Gitkikka, and wanted to avoid the confusion he might have thought I was responding to him

@Morathi
Your right, it is easy to say. My view point is based on my own personal experiences when being with nephews or other peoples children so I can only go on what I have experienced. But there in lies the problem, we are not born with the knowledge of how to be parents, we all teach our kids differently and learn as we go. I might very well have a completely different attitude when I have my own kids and not other peoples to look after. 1st hand experience is priceless.

Also, children tend to react differently to correction from child to child, what works on one child does not alway work on another which depends on the upbringing and personality of each child.

This isn't in england though. Its america, "land of Wal-Mart and Processed Foods and evil guns" remember, theres a wal mart down every corner and 50+ stores around them. This was an "aunt" who was looking after the kid so she was babysitting and leaving the store was a great option.

@gitkikka- I don't see anything there that leaving the store wouldn't have resolved.

Toddlers can speak, sure they don't know the dictionary, but they can speak enough. If the toddler can't, then leave the store and teach him/her.

If the child was miserable, then why continue that misery by keeping the child in an unknown environment instead of a house where napping places, toys, or other accoutrements are located?

Also, spanking should be used when NECESSARY, not when the kid's teething, is there no middle ground for you? If the kids being a wretch, a good parent determines the cause of said wretchedness and then works to correct it. If its misbehaviour then spank them or put them in timeout, if they're tired, teething, overstimulated, then remove them from the environment and seek an environment that would fix these needs.

@ sin, man I would hate to be near your kids. Crying doesn't work for me, but I don't ignore it, I fix it.

halonachos wrote:You don't let a darn kid cry in a freakin store. Other people are there to shop, not listen to some kid scream.

Yeah, I babysit, I babysit a 6,5, and a now 3year old all at the same time. Now, being only a babysitter, hitting is out of bounds. Instead I put them in time out. But what about stores? That's easy, take them out of the place as punishment.
If the kid was tired then wouldn't the best choice be to leave the store anyways?

Its a win-win, if the kids just being a monster then its punishment, if the kid's tired then its naptime.


P.S. I'm not a perfect "angel" because I was spanked "every once in a while" I'm a good kid because I was spanked whenever it was necessary.

Oh FFS!

You don't let a child cry in a store, because other people are there to shop?

'Other people' need to learn that children actually exist and cry sometimes, and their parents still need to go to the store.

If it was a concert hall or cinema, it would be a legitimate complaint, but it would still not excuse a stranger slapping a small child..

You do not strike someone's child. Children cry all the time, if your in a fething supermarket, walk further away. What some people on this thread are condoning is child abuse. The old guy needs a serious fine and suspended sentance.

I don't want to advocate old men slapping two year olds, but parents and those watching kids need to know how to deal with crying kids. I understand that kids cry out of many reasons, but I don't condone letting some kid cry in a store.

I tend to avoid wal-mart because I think that they're an evil company, but I work in freaking toy store and get paid to put up with kids crying. That's another point, if you go to anystore besides a toy store, you don't really expect there to be too much crying unless someone slips on a wet floor and breaks his/her femur.

In a toy store or baby supply store, I would expect to hear kids cry. In K-mart I don't because its a supermarket, when I go to the Commissary I don't expect to hear kids cry because its a grocery store.

If their parents need to go to the store, there's a bathroom on the premises most of the time where a parent can take a child to either spank or to talk to them or get them to calm the feth down.

gorgon wrote:Once again we have lots of bad advice from people without any parenting experience.

But we're on an internet forum! I thought that was like THE place for bad advice?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:You do not strike someone's child. Children cry all the time, if your in a fething supermarket, walk further away. What some people on this thread are condoning is child abuse. The old guy needs a serious fine and suspended sentance.

I'd prefer just letting him loose with a van full of soccer moms behind him. He gets smeared and the vultures get protein. Its win win!