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thompie12 wrote:

Mastiff wrote:If you can think it, you can do it. Everyone else's opinion is irrelevent.

While Slaaneshi may the obvious theme, it would be very interesting to a an all-female chapter that was denounced for the heresy of "perverting" (by the Imperium's standards) the geneseed by implanting it into females. The banished chapter could have hidden in the Eye of Terror, still coming out either for revenge, or to complete their original duty, a la Legion of the Damned.

Lots of possibilities there.

I like this idea for sure.
And i think that im just going to try putting female heads on normal space marines(without green stuff).

Maybe the result of an experiment by Fabius Bile under contract to some Slaneshi Daemon Prince who wanted Bile to create a warband of Slaneshi marines altered to female form or fused with daemonettes...

hmmm I think im just going for an all female chapter.

thompie12 wrote:hmmm I think im just going for an all female chapter.

Ok well good luck with that.

Kazerkinelite wrote:not to sound "male superior" but I dont think a women would survive a day in the Guard...I mean I dont even think I could.

For someone who attempted not to sound "male superior" by assuming you are better at something then half the living population just because you have a wang is a poor approach, indeed. The bar for what any female can or can't do is not necessarily capped at your level of expertise.

The IDF seems to be able to make it work, for starters. Plenty of women there doing something I personally could not do, and doing it well.

I think in an army themed at overwhelming any problem with more bodies (the IG), they'd hardly distinguish between men and women. Not sure why GWS hasn't long ago started mixing in females with the IG.

how about corrupted Sob?

physcosamatic wrote:how about corrupted Sob?

There are 2 reasons why i cant/dont want to buy any Sob
1 i dont like them
2 they dont sell them at my local hobby store
And with an all female chapter i dont mean only to use that chapter i just want to make like 1 squad in that colors(and as female).
Maybe an army of that chapter only is an idea for later.

I have Female Thousand sons led by Male Sorcerers, Easiest modeling I've ever done.

What have you done actually?

Exactally

OK seriously though how should i model my female CSM

Ouze wrote:

Kazerkinelite wrote:not to sound "male superior" but I dont think a women would survive a day in the Guard...I mean I dont even think I could.

For someone who attempted not to sound "male superior" by assuming you are better at something then half the living population just because you have a wang is a poor approach, indeed. The bar for what any female can or can't do is not necessarily capped at your level of expertise.

The IDF seems to be able to make it work, for starters. Plenty of women there doing something I personally could not do, and doing it well.

I think in an army themed at overwhelming any problem with more bodies (the IG), they'd hardly distinguish between men and women. Not sure why GWS hasn't long ago started mixing in females with the IG.

I agree with Ouze, I don't understand why GW hasn't made more female minis for 40k other than SoB. As for Kazerkinelite, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes if you said that to some of the girls in my unit.....they're 4 ft tall, weigh 55kgs yet they can carry upto 70kgs of kit, and drag a 85kg Royal Marine in 35 degree Afghan heat. Now say all they're good for is breeding.

thompie12 wrote:OK seriously though how should i model my female CSM

well, there are 2 simple ways

Option 1: Buy Sisters of Battle and either Paint them chaos or take CSM heads, accessories, etc on Sisters bodies. Termies will be more difficult, but then again, anyone expecting actual BREAST plates on a termie is expecting a bit to much.

Option 2: Use Actual CSM models and craft some Green-stuf bewbs. If you need assistance with this, either using a SM Powerarmor/ SoB Poweramor or a Male/Female (yeah, Female Incubi is a bit of an oxymoron) Incubi as template/example will def help.

ok thanks. i will just buy some sob (i dont know where but ill figure something out) and put some Csm stuff on them. ill post some pics as soon as im done
and for termie's i think i will just use female heads in terminator suits.

I'm also a big fan of using SOB for female CSM, but awhile back I saw some pretty cool female CSM that were made using SM/CSM legs and Daemonette torsos...to make it look as good as it did, it wasn't an easy conversion - I remember that. Do a search through the P&M forum for Daemonette and CSM and see what you come up with. Should be in there somewhere.

My Slaaneshi CSM army is still not done and the unit of 6 female noise marines with sonic blasters is still not done either. Old WIP shot of two slaanesh girls





I know its not the best job but I like them

And that was exactly what I was talking about. Great stuff, Xedric!

Ive seen a all Female Noise marine army before ( She used SOB and made all there multametla into sonic weapons she made them into mirco phones).
She had a Female Defiler( boobs and all) and a Crap load of deamonettes(6 squads of 12) and Demonettes on steeds too...
That was back when you could have a Pure Emperor Children army. But SOB make the best female chaos marine.

Why would female CSMs automatically have large breasts? And why would the armor look any different? If you are gene-manipulated with extra organs that improve performance in battle, I imagine that large mammary glands would tend to shrink.

http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/fawnia-mondey-female-bodybuilder.jpg

You can't really count logic in to this case. Becuase the variables are too many.

1. Traditional "Space Marines" have the additional 19 "Organs".
If these females have identical transplants its impossible to say if any/enough female hormones are released from the biscopea or body for any female features to be left after the "marinenette" has undergone her transformation.

Maybe the body balances the other hormones with the "muscle building" ones, who knows.

2. CSM females could have any number of wacky experiments done too them, who can say whats right or wrong.

There's always the possibility of one of the genetically engineered primarchs that is lost was female. In theory, since every space marines legion derived it's traits not from the Emperor but from the primarchs, since none of the traits that the Space marines possess are directly derived from enhanced levels of testosterone. (In reality, enhanced strength can be derived from an inability to process the protein myostatin, which the body uses to limit muscle growth.)

BaronIveagh wrote:There's always the possibility of one of the genetically engineered primarchs that is lost was female. In theory, since every space marines legion derived it's traits not from the Emperor but from the primarchs, since none of the traits that the Space marines possess are directly derived from enhanced levels of testosterone. (In reality, enhanced strength can be derived from an inability to process the protein myostatin, which the body uses to limit muscle growth.)

"The Primarchs were the twenty sons of the Emperor, born leaders of man and the template from which the Emperor would craft his Space Marine legions"

IDK how a son could be a female... but thats just me

The most likely of Female CSM would be Slaaneshi transgenders.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:
IDK how a son could be a female... but thats just me

What's wrong with just saying "a wizard did it!" - or whatever the grimdark equivalent thereof is? For a game that is based so heavily on using your imagination, man, there are a lot of people who are heavily invested in being dogmatically faithful to fluff which has been intentionally left vague in many areas, as stated by the developers, so you could fill in the gaps with your own ideas. That's why there are so many chapters, yet so few described. In a imaginary plastic army doll universe where no one has a problem accepting that the existence of aliens that can punch holes in tanks with their fists, or that there are undead zombie robots, or that the predominant race is a bunch of green-skinned soccer hooligans, it's a bridge to far to think that when a whole planet falls to Chaos, a single woman might pick up a lasgun and fight, and perhaps be gifted with power armor, and then terminator armor, or god knows what - that in chaos, their pretend magical powers cause the pretend biological implants to reject anyway, so they really shouldn't be a factor. As someone wiser then me once said, "Why so serious?"? Make up your own fluff.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:There's always the possibility of one of the genetically engineered primarchs that is lost was female. In theory, since every space marines legion derived it's traits not from the Emperor but from the primarchs, since none of the traits that the Space marines possess are directly derived from enhanced levels of testosterone. (In reality, enhanced strength can be derived from an inability to process the protein myostatin, which the body uses to limit muscle growth.)

"The Primarchs were the twenty sons of the Emperor, born leaders of man and the template from which the Emperor would craft his Space Marine legions"

IDK how a son could be a female... but thats just me

The most likely of Female CSM would be Slaaneshi transgenders.

On a genetic level, some of them were less like him then I am. This may be be a broad generalization due to the poor understanding of the Imperium after 10k years of further technological decay and the only ones remaining in the records being male.

Ouze wrote:

What's wrong with just saying "a wizard did it!"

BaronIveagh wrote:

On a genetic level, some of them were less like him then I am. This may be be a broad generalization due to the poor understanding of the Imperium after 10k years of further technological decay and the only ones remaining in the records being male.

I was more referring to the fact that the Primarch have been Labled as the 20 SONS of the Emprah.

Son being Male Child

Daughter being Female Child

Can a CSM be a female? By all means

Would the last remaining Primarch, that was stated to be a Son, actually be a Female, moreso on the side of chaos? Highly unlikely. (Impossible)

No.

Sometimes I think the fluff-tards are too busy figuring out rules exploits to exercise thier imagination from the well worn path GW sets out for all of its sheep.

To say that the forces of chaos, could not, or would not use women for space marines is even more idiotic than the arguments against it for Imperial SM's.

Theyre Chaos....you know, all random and stuff. Things mutate in the Warp right? why would progenitor glands/gene seed be any different?

Death By Monkeys wrote:I'm also a big fan of using SOB for female CSM, but awhile back I saw some pretty cool female CSM that were made using SM/CSM legs and Daemonette torsos...to make it look as good as it did, it wasn't an easy conversion - I remember that. Do a search through the P&M forum for Daemonette and CSM and see what you come up with. Should be in there somewhere.

i bought some sob and csm today, maybe i could make the deamonettes too or something.
and i would like to paint them in an alternative chapter scheme, so if you got some idea's

Remember rule number one. The 40k universe runs on the Rule of Cool. If something makes for awesome stories or impressive models it will exist!

I agree with bove poster who complained about lack of female models. I have a few old Escher gangers from necromunda that I use as models for green-stuff-casting female heads. It's tricky but about one head in three is useable. I then apply those heads to pretty much any body I have around to create female models for our =I=munda/dark heresy gaming.

I have noticed that our cultural constructions around gender identifies a spread out body-language as being male, and a held together and compact body language as being female. This can be illustrated by repositioning female models legs at an angle that leaves the feet closer to each other and right under the body. Also try to utilize this (IMHO stupid) image of femininity by using arm positions that stay close to the body.

Bodies I use for females are for example Cadian troopers, where body shape is quite invisble under all the padding. I also use Dark Eldar Warriors and Eldar Guardians, since they are pretty slim and all in plastics. Some of them actually have female shapes with extra slim waists and boobs (wich says something about the pubertal ideas of GWs miniature designers, but that's another discussion) Just cut off any spikes, and change the head if you want an "imperial" look. Daemonettes are somewhat useful but have horrible heads and require some greenstuffing and cutting if you don't want the explicit slaanesh look.

There are a lot of metal models that works great for female military or civilian looks, but maybe not so much female spacemarines. Check out GWs specialist Games section for Necromunda and Mordheim gangs. As well as Howling Banshees, DE Wyches and the odd IC here and there. Don't overlook the WH fantasy range of models.

Back to the OP. I'd say SoB for minimum work. Add some Sisters of Sigmar and maybe use modified (dark)eldar for scout models. Use greenstuff or silicone molding to create bunches of female heads. If you are feeling adventurous, sculpt or modify a few curved body parts and cast copies of them. As long as you don't sell or spread them it is probably within the "fair use" of GWs copyright (this might depend on your country of residence though...)

It will take some serious work, but will probably make something awesome in the end.

Kazerkinelite wrote:not to sound "male superior" but I dont think a women would survive a day in the Guard...I mean I dont even think I could.

hell....the men don't survive a day in the Guard.