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I would like to point out to Kazerkinelite that Black Library has a book that combines males and females into one cohesive unit for the Impy Guard. Not too sure of the name of this particular book for the Cain series, but it was two units that were joined together because of being almost destroyed.

Perhaps one reason that there are "many men" for every well known woman is that men have historically outnumbered women in combat roles for many hundreds if not thousands of years.

Proportionally, women who have excelled in combat possibly outnumber men

And as for breaking points, all people have different levels of stress at which they cannot recover. Just look at how many 'Nam vets are off their rockers, or how many WWI soldiers suffered from shell shock. I don't think the breaking point of women differs that much from the breaking point of men, to be honest with you.

I read something clever written by a guy who had worked for the brittish Special Air Service. His job was to shoot people, most of the time these were arabs with guns. He had a very important rule: "Shoot the women first". The reasoning was this: A woman that is allowed to be part of a military/violent activity must be exceptionally skilled at what she is doing, because those activities are culturally considered "mens work". So in a room full of (soon-to-be-)hostiles, any women are, on average, way more dangerous than any men.

I have to say that Doc Thunder's fluff and army did get me thinking about creating my own female CSM and after seeing this thread, I think I might actually create a squad or two following his fluff when I get some more green stuff.

DarkAngelsRK wrote: In truth, it isn't possible for there to be female Space Marines, is it?

In truth, it isn't possible for there to be vampire Space Marines, is it?
In truth, it isn't possible for there to be werewolf Space Marines, is it?
In truth, it isn't possible for there to be undead Space Marines, is it?
In truth, it isn't possible for there to be Space Marines, is it?

Just wanted to clarify. For all the logic being applied here, this is pseudo-science based on the fantasy world developed by hippies in the eighties as a way to kill some time between bong hits. The fact that a world-wide corporation now owns the intellectual property doesn't make any of the science more logical. Any time they have a reason to throw something in the game they think will be cool, they add to the fluff.

We're allowed and encouraged to do the same.

That’s because "Nam vets" killed many innocent civilians (mainly women and children) in cold blood and saw some unbelievably horrid things... That would haunt any normal person for the rest of your life and put you "off your rocker"

SONS of ORAR wrote:That’s because "Nam vets" killed many innocent civilians (mainly women and children) in cold blood and saw some unbelievably horrid things... That would haunt any normal person for the rest of your life and put you "off your rocker"

You think that the US holds a patent on immoral wars and horror in combat? Her Majesty's government did, after all, fight a war to keep another country from curtailing Her Majesty's opium trade.

Tell me, has England truly forgotten the Fields of Flanders? Does the horror of Verdun no longer stir in the English breast?

BaronIveagh wrote:

SONS of ORAR wrote:That’s because "Nam vets" killed many innocent civilians (mainly women and children) in cold blood and saw some unbelievably horrid things... That would haunt any normal person for the rest of your life and put you "off your rocker"

You think that the US holds a patent on immoral wars and horror in combat? Her Majesty's government did, after all, fight a war to keep another country from curtailing Her Majesty's opium trade.

Tell me, has England truly forgotten the Fields of Flanders? Does the horror of Verdun no longer stir in the English breast?

I think the brits are still occupying some foreign countries where valiant freedom fighters keep up against the boot of opression. Or maybe they were just religious fanatics and terrorists that deserves to be dominated by an imperium. I'm having a hard time telling the difference.

SONS of ORAR wrote:That’s because "Nam vets" killed many innocent civilians (mainly women and children) in cold blood and saw some unbelievably horrid things... That would haunt any normal person for the rest of your life and put you "off your rocker"

I have a few questions about the content of this particular statement.

One: Were you there to witness these "innocent civilians" get slaughtered in cold blood? True there were some civilians that were outright murdered in Viet Nam, but NOT all of these people were innocent. I served with guys that were IN Viet Nam and said they saw women AND children pick up AK-47's and begin shooting at them. Some of the children even blew G.I.'s up while trying to shine their shoes. Read the book that details Carlos Hathcock's career as a Marine Corps Sniper.
Two: What year were you born? If it was as late as 1973, you probably only heard one side of the stories. Viet Nam vets were not liked even in the early 80's. In order to know something fully, you need to know ALL sides of every story.
Three: Have you ever served with some of the finest men and women in the world by doing something that is bigger than yourself? If you did at least two years in the military, and got out with an HONORABLE discharge, then you might have an idea of what I am talking about. To those that do not have a clue as to what I am reffering to, allow me to educate you. The people that serve in ANY military sacrifice multitudes of things while we are in so that people that live in free societies can have that freedom to talk smack, blame who they want, point the proverbial finger, etc. I guess what I am trying to say is: Know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.

From his profile:
SONS of ORAR: age 17.

Thats why you keep the age bracket empty kiddies.

Also joining the army seems to be about cleaning as much as it is about shooting.

Lazy civvie 2 cents.

Also moar pics OP.

Just to clear up the 'Nam comments, I was referring to the fact that some very strong men went into Vietnam, and many came back seriously changed from what they saw, heard, or otherwise experienced.

There is no doubting that war can do horrible things to a persons mind and I was in no way trying to suggest that the reason that so many people were changed for the worse by that particular war was because of the reports from some areas of "murder of women and children" etc. As I mentioned in my post, I also compared them to another largescale effect; shell shock from WWI which turned many strong willed people.

I am not quite sure why SoO particularly decided to pick up on 'Nam over my other example, or how what he said related to the men/women debate at hand. My post was related to the fact that in any period of combat, people will experience things that will test them mentally and emotionally and as far as I am concerned, men and women are roughly equal in mental and emotional strength, assuming they are all there of their own choice.

My comments were designed to show that men are not completely immune from the horrors of war, or even close to that, as some people seem to be suggesting they are.

Hum, do you guys think that the painting and modelling section is the right place for this kind of discussion?

Basically this is a thread from a guy who'd like to make female CSM's conversions, it's amazing to see how far a thead can drift.

It was a painting and modeling thread but it ran out to this.
BTW I am still busy painting my female CSM.

Female Chaos Marines demand SNU SNU NOW!!!

Hyenajoe wrote:it's amazing to see how far a thread can drift.

Eh, it stirs up the whole women in combat hornets nest. Personally, I view it like gays in the military. Frankly, a 7.62 NATO doesn't care if it was fired by man or woman, and a grenade is just as deadly if thrown by a homosexual.

Just to make a point, there has never been a good war. As has been reiterated time and again in this thread, war involves killing and destruction. If you want to understand even a small portion of war, look at the images from war correspondents. I personally have found this quote to be a good way to describe the whole affair
"War happens inside a man...and that is why, in a certain sense, you and your sons from war will be forever strangers. If, by the miracle of art and genius, in later years two or three among them can open their hearts and the right words come, then perhaps we shall know a little of what it was like-and we shall know then that all the present speakers and writers hardly touched the story"
-This was written by Eric Sevareid, in the spring of 1945

I agree that this is a thread for discussing female space marines. I just had to set someone straight about that particular event in history. I am a veteran and will ALWAYS stand up for anyone that deserves it, especially a fellow veteran. I myself would like to see more of the custom things done to make them females space marines. I know of one chapter a guy made up and they are called Black Widows chapter. I believe they are Chaos undivided. I also agree that female space marines need SNU SNU, especially if they are from the Slaanesh god.

SilverMK2 wrote:Perhaps one reason that there are "many men" for every well known woman is that men have historically outnumbered women in combat roles for many hundreds if not thousands of years.

Proportionally, women who have excelled in combat possibly outnumber men

And as for breaking points, all people have different levels of stress at which they cannot recover. Just look at how many 'Nam vets are off their rockers, or how many WWI soldiers suffered from shell shock. I don't think the breaking point of women differs that much from the breaking point of men, to be honest with you.

Calgar's sanity may have survived Behemoth, Kraken, and countless wars with Chaos and Orks, but I'd like to see him give birth to twins without ending up with a permanent distant stare

lindsay40k wrote:
Calgar's sanity may have survived Behemoth, Kraken, and countless wars with Chaos and Orks, but I'd like to see him give birth to twins without ending up with a permanent distant stare

Depends if we let Graham McNeill write it. If we do, Calgar will give birth to dectuplets, each one a fully grown space marine, with ease. He will then Out Engineer Scotty, Be a better Doc then Bones, more logical then Spock, and sweep Kirk off his feet.

(And for those who don't get it, look up the term Mary Sue)

Just a note. When you say "make SM girls as SLANESHI"... Those girls arnt really "girls"... If you know what I mean. *wink* Unless you're into that sort of thing?

yay i painted them all

Excellent, glad to see you making great progress. Any chance of closer pics?

To the OP, good stuff, glad to see progress, I would love to see more!


To the mess, I think its funny that I looked at this thread a few days ago, then had my internet go out for about 8 days. When I come back, we were still aruging about the idea fluff-wise. Not to pick an argument, I'm just saying if this man wants to buy minis and slap breasts and long hair on them, let him go for it. Who knows, he might bring some technique or idea back that we MIGHT be able to use.

Hyenajoe wrote:Hum, do you guys think that the painting and modelling section is the right place for this kind of discussion?

Basically this is a thread from a guy who'd like to make female CSM's conversions, it's amazing to see how far a thead can drift.

Modquisition on.
The above poster speaks the wisdom of the ages. modeling and painting forums are to discuss you know MODELING AND PAINTING. Fluff should only be discussed in relation to the work. This thread has gone off the deep end and needs to tack back to the MODELING AND PAINTING topic. NOW.

Thank you for your bidness.

Orkeosaurus wrote:The point of Chaos is that its corrupting influence moves those under it away from humanity, and the order of natural law, and turns you monstrous, defying natural law.

It doesn't just go transform men into women. That's not corruption, you're as much a pure, order-filled human as you ever were. Chaos makes spines grow out of your arms, and your mouth turn into a fanged maw, and your hair fall out. It doesn't recreate the plotline from The Hot Chick with all of your chaos marines as Rob Schneider.

Agreed. Which is why simply plonking a female head onto a CSM body isn't the best idea imo. Daemonette heads would be the way, but for variety, greenstuffing some mutations onto the heads would be best, both fluff-wise, aesthetic wise, and you still keep your female marine army (why you would want to idk but I'm not going to explore that). A bunch of marines with all the random warpings of chaos and pretty heads is kinda silly imo. But if you warp them up good and proper, that would fit the fluff, and look kinda cool if done right- kinda horrible if done wrong though, so would put a fair damn bit of effort into such a project.


Save some effort and don't do every single marinette without a helmet- 4-5 in each squad of 10 is sufficient to get the idea across. And i agree with the group saying "power armour is big enough to hold bewbs, no need to GS bewbs on"

Reference material for those who would follow in this brave modeler's footsteps:









Live on female Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines.

sigh.

Why is it that some artists can only draw the face of someone they want to sleep with?

Mastiff wrote:sigh.

Why is it that some artists can only draw the face of someone they want to sleep with?

Let's face it, the more you think about it, the easier it is to draw!

Nyce
Solorg

Female CSM = Dominatrix??? That might not be a bad thing if your into that kind of thing...