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CT GAMER wrote:

Breotan wrote:Yo Dawg wolves riding wolves > Fancypants lads with nipple armor, hot crossed buns on their kneecaps, and bolters sewn to their mittens? I don't think so.

I'm not defending either...

I will.

Thunderwolf Cavalry are an awesome and uniquely Space Wolf concept. The only issue I've got with them is that the model pretty much blows.

And as for the Sanguinary Guard...what's the complaint? That they have a flanged knee-guard at the top of the greaves? Look at some suits of full plate from the Renaissance. They have the same things, it's just mounted on the sides rather than the front due to the articulation of the armor. And the bolters? So what if they're mounted on the gauntlet? It's an assault unit wielding two handed power weapons. They've got the bolters mounted on the gauntlet for the same reason the Grey Knights do--it cuts down on them having to release their primary weapon to fire off a few shots. Makes perfect sense to me.

Maybe I'm looking too hard (or pehaps not hard enough!) but the flyer above and to the left of the LR in that pic doesn't look *quite* like a standard Thunderhawk to me. I'm just sayin'...

Oh, and hey... It looks like it's shooting some missiles as well. Are HK-type missile part on a TH's weapons options?

Valete,

JohnS

cygnnus wrote:Maybe I'm looking too hard (or pehaps not hard enough!) but the flyer above and to the left of the LR in that pic doesn't look *quite* like a standard Thunderhawk to me. I'm just sayin'...

Valete,

JohnS

Probably because it's another Land Speeder.

Kanluwen wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

Commander Endova wrote:

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:, or even a fast flyer that can combat drop troops (or even Dreads...?)...

Stormraven?

Oh please oh please oh please.....

Actually, the picture in the link in the first post of this thread is a smaller version of the one you get in the email GW sent out.

I am not sure if this is new art or old, but in the upper left corner of the large picture there is a small flyer that could very well be the Stormraven. It looks too small to be a Thunderhawk, at least to me.




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Kanluwen wrote:Probably because it's another Land Speeder.

It doesn't look like a Landspeeder at all.

http://gwutil.com/newpictures/products/INC_Spearhead_550x350.jpg

I love experimental rules and other kinds of madness in WD. Just before christmas I lurked on a big debate on another thread about it - some people hated new rules à la Chapter Approved in WD, some people loved it.

I thought GW was moving away from the Chapter Approved approach, so that you didn't need stacks of WDs in order to play. But then it's logical to make it available online...

And kudos to GW for making this cheap and accessible, in stead of churning out yet another overpriced book. Keep it up, GW!

Kanluwen wrote:

cygnnus wrote:Maybe I'm looking too hard (or pehaps not hard enough!) but the flyer above and to the left of the LR in that pic doesn't look *quite* like a standard Thunderhawk to me. I'm just sayin'...

Valete,

JohnS

Probably because it's another Land Speeder.

Nope. To the left of the speeder there's a craft that is definitely not a speeder. Looks similar to, but not the same as, a 'hawk. Just to the left of the flames from a burning wreck.

Kveldulv wrote:I thought GW was moving away from the Chapter Approved approach, so that you didn't need stacks of WDs in order to play. But then it's logical to make it available online...

I agree, having rules spread out is a pain. But this time it looks like all rules will be in one place, which I approve of.

agree, having rules spread out is a pain.

I also support that notion, I never liked the "modular" approach to rules where they are spread out all over the place in magazines, supplements, etc. that all become obsolete the moment the main rule book is revised.

However, I really like the current range of expansions for 40K like Apocalypse, Cities of Death, etc. but I have to admit in the back of my mind I'm wondering if they'll all be completely useless when the 6th edition 40K rule book comes in a few years. I certainly hope not, but that kind of obsolesence has occurred before with this game system.

I am looking forward to the new models in June, I always like to see more new model kits.

This:



Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

i just want a decent IG artillery tank kit - is that too much to ask?!!!

plus it would be nice if they made some more tank accessory sprues.

more plastic for the plastic god i say!

Vlad

Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

That's correct, it was on the box for the current Land Raider model when that model was first released in the year 2000.

The Eldar Fire Prism is still waiting for an all plastic version to get rid of that full metal prism. And there is the new Eldar Jet Bike!

But Warbuggies sound more likely.

BrookM wrote:This:



Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

And the flying thing is thunder hawk,right?

Vlad-X7 wrote:i just want a decent IG artillery tank kit - is that too much to ask?!!!

plus it would be nice if they made some more tank accessory sprues.

more plastic for the plastic god i say!

Vlad

Seconded! Plastic for the Plastic God, aye!

BrookM wrote:This:



Is OLD Land Raider box art, a decade or so old.

Brook is right, that was the picture used during the orginal release of the MKIII Landraider back in 2000




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Scottywan82 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

DE had missions in Battle Missions, I thought. But no, =I= did not. And Witch Hunters/Daemonhunters Codices have been pulled. Dunno if that's great news or ominous news for =I= loyalists.

LOL that artwork is the cover of the only WD I have in English... bought in Amsterdam about 1999? 2000?

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The Watcher in the Dark wrote:
Brook is right, that was the picture used during the orginal release of the MKIII Landraider back in 2000

Exactly that one ^^

Sir Motor wrote:And the flying thing is thunder hawk,right?

Yes.

LOL that artwork is the cover of the only WD I have in English... bought in Amsterdam about 1999? 2000?

As I said above before the WD cover was posted, the current Land Raider was released in 2000 with the artwork now used to promote Spearhead. I still have at least one of those Land Raider boxes sitting around with bits in it and I checked the date on it recently out of curiosity: year 2000.

puma713 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
I will say though, the fact that they keep releasing expansions rather than updating some of the older codices makes a strong case that they are being shelved.

No, it doesn't. When they remove all references to the older codices from the expansions is when you get to spout "SQUATTED! SQUATTED! SQUATTED!".

Creating an expansion doesn't take them nearly as much work as designing a codex. It's really that simple to comprehend.

So having no missions for Inq or DE in the most recent release for Warhammer 40,000 doesn't indicate they are being shelved? Thank god Necrons got something. I guess.

DE had missions in Battle Missions, I thought. But no, =I= did not. And Witch Hunters/Daemonhunters Codices have been pulled. Dunno if that's great news or ominous news for =I= loyalists.

Inquisition don't *need* their own missions. People cried that they didn't get anything in Planetstrike either, but they did under the "Imperial" heading.

The Inquisition shouldn't be an army that is treated like every other when it comes to these expansions. The Inquisition isn't a fighting force, it's an investigative force. While they do maintain fortresses and fighting troops--they are almost always "standard" Imperial fare. They don't have enough uniquely Inquisition items to warrant whole stratagems.

The Inquisition isn't a fighting force, it's an investigative force.

That will no longer be the case when they get their new Codex in the near future. Like it or not, in the interest of pleasing fans who like to play Inquisition as an army and in the interest of company profits, the Inquisition will be more of an army than ever one day soon.

BrassScorpion wrote:

The Inquisition isn't a fighting force, it's an investigative force.

That will no longer be the case when they get their new Codex in the near future. Like it or not, in the interest of pleasing fans who like to play Inquisition as an army and in the interest of company profits, the Inquisition will be more of an army than ever one day soon.

The Inquisition playing as an army is the day the Inquisition ceases to be...the Inquisition. They're a "shadowy force that moves amongst mankind rooting out corruption". Not "hurp we fights the evils!". The Chamber Militants are the one who do all the heavy lifting, and the Inquisitors are the ones who find and identify the targets for them.

Now, if they were to say...make the armies of the Inquisition like Detachment 99 or in the vein of the Hardened Veteran squads from the Guard Codex? I'd be fine with that. But I really hope to God we don't see "Inquisition Footsoldiers" or combination armies of all three Ordos' Chamber Militants fielded at the same time.

How is everybody else reading this? Is this an expansion that will only be in WD and online or does it read like they will release it in a full book form as well? They refer to WD having the "main part" of the expansion, I wonder if this means they're just using WD and online to playtest the thing and then release the polished version in book form later...

People are already playing Inquisition armies and have been for years. There's the GW background material and then there are modelers, collectors and gamers who play what they want and create their own background as needed. The realities of modeling and gaming don't always mesh exactly with the background written by GW for atmosphere. It's a fantasy game and people are free to enjoy the models and or game as they wish.

This release appears to be mostly about the models with a push to sell more White Dwarf issues and drive people to the GW website. This allows them to promote new models and an existing magazine product that is produced monthly anyway with no additional resource expenditures needed as would be for a new book release. Driving more traffic to their website online store should also work well for GW.

I can deal with actual content in WD again. Sounds good to me. As for plastic vehicle releases, my money's on Ork buggies, IG artillery, and the Stormraven. I can't really think of much else to release in plastic, at least for commonly supported armies. A Chaos dreadnought would be nice, but walkers were more of a Battle Missions release.

dietrich wrote:Did GW decide that fifth edition doesn't have enough tanks on the board, so you need a new way to play that emphasizes armor even more?

yes, yes we do.

You've Inspired me:

as far as the actuall game goes, I think i'll hold out on an opinion until I see the expansion, it just seems like yet another excuse to sell more models

That's great Dave. Can you add some skulls and more rivets? Maybe GW will release a tank that carries tanks that carry troopers. And are those deep striking landraiders above the skimmers?

BrassScorpion wrote:People are already playing Inquisition armies and have been for years. There's the GW background material and then there are modelers, collectors and gamers who play what they want and create their own background as needed. The realities of modeling and gaming don't always mesh exactly with the background written by GW for atmosphere. It's a fantasy game and people are free to enjoy the models and or game as they wish.

The "Inquisition" armies as they stand aren't stand-alones like what (it seems to me at least) you're suggesting. They're "an Inquisitor" and then either the Chamber Militant, Inducted allies, or what could easily be a personal retinue(Stormtroopers, Daemonhosts, and Death Cultists) with Inducted Guardsmen representing the rest of the retinue.

It just doesn't seem, to myself at least, like there's anything they can really do to make the Inquisition an individual army.

But that's off-topic, and I can't see them putting the Inquisition into a tank battle supplement unless they're moving the stuff from Siege of Vraks Part 3 into standard fare(Razorbacks with Psycannons, Land Raiders with TL-Psycannons and lots of Incinerators).

That's funny, I see people playing Inquisition armies as stand-alones all the time. Just because some people are "married" to the GW background material doesn't mean that everyone else is following it like that.