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CT GAMER wrote:The kasrkin models are garbage.

In your opinion.

Ever since their release we've seen quite a few people who adore them though.

Usually when people post something it is their opinion. I didn't think I needed to specify that point...

Alpharius wrote:Can you keep the thread on topic, and not about which version of Stormtrooper model you love and/or hate?

If someone wants to start that conversation over in 40K General Discussion, be my guest...

The timing of this announcement has caused quite a dilemma for me with FW's open day at the end of the month.

I've recently started a guard army and was planning on picking up some FW tanks and artillery. It's probable that there'll be a new LR set and possible that one or more of the Hydra/Griffon/Medusa/Manticore will get a model (I think the Colossus is unlikely). Given the extra hassle of building resin I'd certainly prefer plastic, but it's unlikely all of the above will see plastic kits. Guessing exactly what's going to get a new release is going to be a challenge.

Stickmonkey over at Warseer just added this:

Tanks! I can now confirm Tanks are coming...following the Incoming email...unfortunately, I can't go into more detail. I will say the age of the hybrid kit is soon to end. Some of you have already made some good guesses.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/284291.page

Sounds like a confirmation on a revised Fire Prism tank. Hope they sell the conversion parts for updating old kits.

Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

1hadhq wrote:Some missing IG tanks - sure.
Easy to built Russes always welcome.

But why expect a storm-raven? Is there any hint or illustration of its design?
No?

Oh, I don't expect there'll be a Storm Raven at all, it's just wishful thinking on my part

I'd be happy enough with better sponsons for Predators really. I'm sure any Eldar players would love a plastic Fire Prism too, I remember how badly the metal parts lined up, and how badly they affected the weight balance of the model

CT GAMER wrote:

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

I keep wanting to think that this is less Mechanized Infantry(Transported troops back up by tanks) and more Armored Company(Tank HQs, Tank Troops, etc. supported by a few transported Troops for objectives). You know, Tank Clashes, like the Eldar/Tallarn vs Iron Warriors Battle for Tallarn.

I hope I'm right, as that would make it more than just what everyone normally does now with their armies.

Platuan4th wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

I keep wanting to think that this is less Mechanized Infantry(Transported troops back up by tanks) and more Armored Company(Tank HQs, Tank Troops, etc. supported by a few transported Troops for objectives). You know, Tank Clashes, like the Eldar/Tallarn vs Iron Warriors Battle for Tallarn.

I hope I'm right, as that would make it more than just what everyone normally does now with their armies.

I think there's a good chance of that, soudns like the aim is to drive vehicle sales through the roof and nothing would do that better then allowing players to field whole squads of vehicles as troops. I think it could be very cool, Orks can field bikes as troops now but being able to take buggie squads would be ace, Gorkamorka on a grand scale!

Maybe Iron Warriors will get their Basilisks back, given how successful the new kit has been

Havik110 wrote:

Flashman wrote:Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

the flying type that can carry a unit and a dread?

A land raider that contains a land raider.

The Watcher in the Dark wrote:Maybe Iron Warriors will get their Basilisks back, given how successful the new kit has been

Now that is funny!

And, quite possibly, something that GW should (would??) do!

Platuan4th wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

It is possible that it might have themed scenarios (like Battle Missions) for each army showing how they use their mechanized elements.

So it might be that if you play the ork scenario you will play a speed freaky type force with some added scenario rules/bonuses, but the opponent might not have to be mechanized nor get any scenario boost for being so, etc.,
etc.

Point being the scenarios might be designed to show battles in which one mechanized force fights another force that isn't or that isnt required to be.

You might have a convoy ambush scenario, etc., etc.

I keep wanting to think that this is less Mechanized Infantry(Transported troops back up by tanks) and more Armored Company(Tank HQs, Tank Troops, etc. supported by a few transported Troops for objectives). You know, Tank Clashes, like the Eldar/Tallarn vs Iron Warriors Battle for Tallarn.

I hope I'm right, as that would make it more than just what everyone normally does now with their armies.

Maybe something radical with the FOrce org. chart like allowing any vehicle to count as a troop choice in addition to whatever it normally is so you could three squadrons of Leman Russ as H. Support and up to six additional squadrons as troop choices, etc.

or

Maybe a requirement that all units taken be a vehicle or have a transport

Hopefully some option to allow the use of Super heavy vehicles.

Hopefully it uses the stratagem system...

Branderic wrote:

Havik110 wrote:

Flashman wrote:Mechanised assaults? New Kits? This can only herald the appearance of yet another Land Raider variant

the flying type that can carry a unit and a dread?

A land raider that contains a land raider.

The Tur-Duck-En of the Warhammer 40k universe.

Stormtrooper X wrote:Seems a little silly to me that they're making an expansion that is geared towards everyone being in transports supported by armor. It's kind of what everyone (except bugs and necrons) does with this new edition. Eh, if adding some stuff to a White Dwarf means putting out new models though, I can fully support that. The rest of the IG line would be very nice to have I must say.

Did you read the comments on the GW site today...

Carl also mentioned in his email that he had begun work on a second Venerable Dreadnought and would then be adding a third - he'll be well prepared for Spearhead.

..sounds to me like these new rules might be some way of having squadrons or apocalypse style formations of vehicles possibly.

...also be a good way to maybe, kind of, start doing some playtesting towards working out what you want to do with vehicles in 6th edition wouldn't it too ?

Did you see the way they cropped the artwork in the Spearhead article compared to the newsletter announcement ?

So much for "the year of Fantasy."

reds8n wrote:
Did you see the way they cropped the artwork in the Spearhead article compared to the newsletter announcement ?

Yes, but considering that piece of artwork is 10 years old, how significant is it?

Death By Monkeys wrote:

reds8n wrote:
Did you see the way they cropped the artwork in the Spearhead article compared to the newsletter announcement ?

Yes, but considering that piece of artwork is 10 years old, how significant is it?

Well, since I chimed in early on this one, I guess I have to defend the idea a bit...

I do seem to recall something about Stormravens being "mistaken" for Thunderhawks... I could easily see that as the post-facto justification for using a 10-year old "mistake" as the design for a "new" flyer.

Again, I certainly wouldn't argue this one to the grave, but that "Thunderhawk" in the Spearhead/Land Raider picture definitely does not look like a Thunderhawk. It has a flat bottom (with, apparently, two hatches) vice the bent bottom of the TH. The horizontal stabilizers in the back appear to be dihedral vice flat on a TH. The canards look different. No obvious engine intakes at the wing roots. No "chin" HB mounts. The wing-mounted HB look very different. All could be an artist's mistake, of course. It could be explained away, I suppose, as a different TH variant. Could also be a case of that "mistake" becoming the basis for a new model, with a little retcon about the Stormraven looking like a Thunderhawk. Or perhaps they'd sketched the idea out years ago but left it on the wayside.

This really is more a case, for me at least, of "it's fun to speculate", but what the heck... It's fun to speculate!

Valete,

JohnS

Hmm..

Just sounds like another expansion thats just going to get absorbed into Apoc..

Maybe if im lucky, ill get my IG AC rules back on an official status. (looks at 4k AC sitting on shelf collecting dust)

reds8n wrote:...also be a good way to maybe, kind of, start doing some playtesting towards working out what you want to do with vehicles in 6th edition wouldn't it too ?

I'd like to ask for a little clarification of this little tidbit...

Is there something rumored about 6th edition and vehicles? Could they possibly be adding more vehicles onto the table?

Hmm i always thought that thing was this

Well the vehicle rules certainly can't get any worse, so if this is a clandestine play test, then good.

They can start by upping the strength of defensive weapon and maybe allowing guns on tanks to fire at different targets so that defensive weapons can act, y'know, defensively.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well the vehicle rules certainly can't get any worse, so if this is a clandestine play test, then good.

They can start by upping the strength of defensive weapon and maybe allowing guns on tanks to fire at different targets so that defensive weapons can act, y'know, defensively.

Madness!!

Though maybe not, now that they have sold enough Battlewagons and Crusaders to gain the benefits of the S4 defensive fire rule, they will change it to S5 to see a new kit.

lords2001 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well the vehicle rules certainly can't get any worse, so if this is a clandestine play test, then good.

They can start by upping the strength of defensive weapon and maybe allowing guns on tanks to fire at different targets so that defensive weapons can act, y'know, defensively.

Madness!!

Though maybe not, now that they have sold enough Battlewagons and Crusaders to gain the benefits of the S4 defensive fire rule, they will change it to S5 to see a new kit.

Huh?

Crusaders yes, B-wagons only have 1 gun that could be used as defensive (a kannon) and then only in blast mode.

Back to the most important thing though. NEW BUGGIES!

Yes, yes, yes and more yes.

The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range. It is laughably out of scale with the rest of the range and especially with other orks. And it has no rokkits! Which are the only things anyone uses them for on the tabletop anyway.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range.

Avatar
Eldrad
Phoenix Lords
Warp Spiders
Numerous Warocks
Leman Russ (IIRC)
Wraith Guard (maybe...)

Probably the Jetbikes as well. Not the Vypr, just the regular ones.

Here's hoping for a legal IG armored company list.

the current IG list can't have nearly enough tanks for my liking.

I'm remarkably meh on this expansion. I guess I'm a reformed tread head.

Or it could be that Tau already have all their Tank kits out.

Seriously underwhelmed by this. Wow you can play with loads of tanks! That's a standard game of 40k nowadays. The only good that can come out of this is new vehicle models. Definitely need some new trukks, even though I do love the GorkaMorka ones. Some of the coolest vehicles, just horribly out of scale, and no real options for them.

Oshova

H.B.M.C. wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:The current model is IIRC the oldest thing in the current 40k range.

Avatar
Eldrad
Phoenix Lords
Warp Spiders
Numerous Warocks

Wraith Guard (maybe...)

Probably the Jetbikes as well. Not the Vypr, just the regular ones.

Yikes!

I just realized how old a lot of the Eldar stuff is. A lot of it has aged fairly well (with the exception of one Jain-Zar) but still, it's time for some new stuff.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Yikes!

I just realized how old a lot of the Eldar stuff is. A lot of it has aged fairly well (with the exception of one Jain-Zar) but still, it's time for some new stuff.

Some of them are still excellent models though. Baharroth? Fugean? They're fantastic and I hope they never change them. Eldrad is... nice... but given the more recent Farseers I'm sure they could do more with him. The Avatar needs to be bigger. I've never liked Jain Zar.

But even some of the stuff they don't sell is really good. The old Striking Scorpions are great. I mean, when they redid the Dark Reapers last time Jes made 'em go back to the old style, as that's how good they were. I really do hope they don't let anyone else 'sides Jes near Eldar next time around. If they don't, he'll just end up fixing mistakes all over again (eg. 3rd Ed Hive Tyrant, Carnifex, Striking Scorpions, Dark Reapers, Banshees, etc.).


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Oshova wrote:Seriously underwhelmed by this. Wow you can play with loads of tanks! That's a standard game of 40k nowadays. The only good that can come out of this is new vehicle models. Definitely need some new trukks, even though I do love the GorkaMorka ones. Some of the coolest vehicles, just horribly out of scale, and no real options for them.

Look at it as a glass-half-full thing. If this really is a giant way of play-testing potential new tank rules it means that things might actually improve in 6th Ed.