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**H.B.M.C.**

I'm still trying to fathom the whole 'rules in White Dwarf' thing.

**Jackmojo**

I know its so second edition-y...

Jack

**reds8n**

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat420002a&rootCatGameStyle=

.. don't worry, it is blank for now !

I'm assuming we might get some rules donwloads kind of thing here maybe ? Say for a new or revised Eldar tank that they might release ?

**Gargskull**

I imagine a good number of people will buy the Nightspinner because it's a cool looking model and they want to see it on the table.

**Kroothawk**

Some people will buy the Nightspinner, if it includes the plastic Fire Prism turret as well, so they get 2 new models

Flashman wrote:So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release??

No, it is a Spearhead release

**Samus666**

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm still trying to fathom the whole 'rules in White Dwarf' thing.

Indeed. I'm thrilled if this is a sign of things to come, because it would mark a huge step in the right direction for GW. Just think: no more waiting 5-10 years between Codexes for updated rules and new units for each army. This could even herald the return of regular rules in White Dwarf a' la Chapter Approved, which could bring back things like variant army lists.
Blimey, between this and the rumoured upcoming release schedule (Dark Eldar, Inquisition and Necrons at last! Really?!) GW's rules and release schedule policies seem to be radically improving all of a sudden.

**Flashman**

I get that the rules are going to be in WD. I was wondering whether it was going to be for Apocalypse games only as has been the case in recent years when rules have appeared in WD.

A WD "addition" to the Codex would be very unusual, but not unwelcome, provided it can be used in any game situation (I'm thinking tournaments here).

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I guess that depends on the Tournament. Rules printed by GW in White Dwarf should be treated as offical as any in a Codex in my opinion, but each Tournament seems to have it's own predilictions.

And I'm wondering if this might be something of an experiment to fuse the old ways with the new. Complete release spread over White Dwarf and the Website, see how it goes down. Me, I love the idea of it for the same reasons as pretty much everyone here, so with any luck this will be the start of a trend, however regular or irregular it becomes.

Though I'm sure some will whinge about it.

**jspyd3rx**

According to warhammer world tourny rules; it does say stuff from WD is legal. Be sure to bring your copy though.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

I'd imagine such things would make the Online WD Archive fairly quickly, especially given the predicted popularity of that issue!

**Redemption**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I guess that depends on the Tournament. Rules printed by GW in White Dwarf should be treated as offical as any in a Codex in my opinion, but each Tournament seems to have it's own predilictions.

And I'm wondering if this might be something of an experiment to fuse the old ways with the new. Complete release spread over White Dwarf and the Website, see how it goes down. Me, I love the idea of it for the same reasons as pretty much everyone here, so with any luck this will be the start of a trend, however regular or irregular it becomes.

Though I'm sure some will whinge about it.

While I would like rules update as a sort of 'Codex Patches', I can see why it could be difficult to pull it off.

Right now you just need a codex (and the base rulebook) and you're set for that army. With these rule updates, you'd need the codex and x amount of random WD articles to get the most recent version of your army.

That's pretty daunting for new players, especially if they're not internet-savvy or don't even have internet.

**Kroothawk**

Yes, making a WD useful for veterans is unusual and unexpected, yet the WD with Spearhead and Elven tank rules is confirmed by newsletter and WD itself.
The Nightspinner is certainly usable in Spearhead and Apocalypse games. Don't know if it will be allowed to normal games, my guess is yes. Even when it will be difficult to make Nightspinner rules that make the tank worthy in comparison to the other options in the heavy slot.

**Alpharius**

Kroothawk wrote:Yes, making a WD useful for veterans is unusual and unexpected, yet the WD with Spearhead and Elven tank rules is confirmed by newsletter and WD itself.
The Nightspinner is certainly usable in Spearhead and Apocalypse games. Don't know if it will be allowed to normal games, my guess is yes. Even when it will be difficult to make Nightspinner rules that make the tank worthy in comparison to the other options in the heavy slot.

Good points - but I'm certainly glad that they are making the attempt in WD.

HOPEFULLY this issue sells like mad, and the powers that be realize what should happen moving forward...

**vitki**

Kroothawk wrote:To clear up what was said in the Warseer thread.

First, as quoted above, it is about the Spearhead releases in June, accompanied by rules and stuff in WD #366 (and supported by the website). The GW text confirms several new IG tanks and several new Eldar plastic kits, including a new tank. So they are not Apocalypse releases.

People familiar with Eldar and Imperial background concluded the following
1.) "Hammer of the Corpse God" = IG vs. "bright soul sparks of an ancient race" = Eldar
2.) Manticore, maybe including variants like Deathstrike ("Missile after missile")
3.) Leman Russ, much expected ("Tanks in the shape of wolves")
4.) Full plastic Fire Prism tank ("shining crystal shards")
5.) Night Spinner, new tank, maybe combined with Fire Prism tank kit ("black morass, slicing humans to pieces")
6.) Eldar heavy weapon platform with a.o. a D-cannon ("A hole opens and the tank folds down")
7.) Deathstrike Missile, see Manticore entry ("missile larger than any")
The Eldar superheavy talk in that thread was just a misinterpretation of "2 Eldar tanks a tad bigger than a Predator" (= Falcon hull). Some people still hope for plastic Wraith Guard and Jetbike releases, no evidence yet on their release. Anyway, Daemon Prince Adramalech adds:

Anybody reading line 6 as a possible Cobra superheavy instead of a weapon platform? They have a big D-Cannon, didn't really see that discussed in this thread.

**Kroothawk**

The original text is:

To the south a group of bright soul sparks fire a weapon that hits one of the wulfen tanks with a screech born not of this realm

So a group of Eldar fire a weapon: Sounds more like a heavy weapon platform.
But I agree that there are some rumours of an Eldar Superheavy in plastic going round, maybe within that 8 month window.
I am still not sold on that rumour, too close to wishlisting to be a well founded rumour ATM. But we will see.

**JohnHwangDD**

I think an Eldar Superheavy would fit better as part of another Apoc expansion or Apoc 2, but if we're getting one this year, I'm all for it. Even if my wallet isn't.

**Platuan4th**

JohnHwangDD wrote: I'm all for it. Even if my wallet isn't.

I hear that.

It's like I have this sick addiction for plastic superheavies...

Who am I kidding, it's just for Superheavies in general...

**Alpharius**

Jackmojo wrote:I know its so second edition-y...

Jack

We should all be so lucky!

I haven't been this excited for an issue of WD to arrive since...

..2nd edition!

OK, OK, actually, since they still had Index Astartes in it, but that isn't as funny/clever...

**Kirasu**

I dont see why theyd bother with support platforms.. Theyre one of the absolute worst things in the codex due to the change to artillery in 5th.. and they were pretty damn awful before too

Makes me wonder who decides to make new models (Probably the same person who decided a basilisk with no additional weapon options was a good boxset to release)

I imagine they'll sell maybe 3 support weapons

**Oshova**

I used to get excited about Chapter Approved aswell as Index Astartes. That chucked out some awesome rules. Kroot Mercenaries, Feral Orks, Deathwatch Killteams. Hopefully this release will be as awesome as before. Would really make my day, week, month . . . whatever.

Oshova

**The Unending**

I wonder if this means that a new eldar codex is on the the horizon. I hope so but as is said so often "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment".

I'm also glad that the deathstike is getting a model; though. Not so glad about the supplement that is a complete waste of everyone's time.

**Dysartes**

The Unending wrote:Not so glad about the supplement that is a complete waste of everyone's time.

Just a thought, but wouldn't it be an idea to see what the supplement actually contains before decrying it as a waste of time?

**H.B.M.C.**

Dysartes wrote:Just a thought, but wouldn't it be an idea to see what the supplement actually contains before decrying it as a waste of time?

Don't be absurd. I've been decrying this supplement since before I even knew it existed.

I started decrying 7th Ed 40K last week - and we're not even at 6th yet!

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Dysartes wrote:

Just a thought, but wouldn't it be an idea to see what the supplement actually contains before decrying it as a waste of time?

But its already a mech based game from what I've seen, so I'll decry it as a waste on that. Its a matter of principal we've already got enough tanks, I want more focus on small Infantry units.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Don't be absurd. I've been decrying this supplement since before I even knew it existed.

I started decrying 7th Ed 40K last week - and we're not even at 6th yet!

Only 7th? Surely you're on to 8th and getting ready for 9th.

**H.B.M.C.**

BrotherStynier wrote:Only 7th? Surely you're on to 8th and getting ready for 9th.

Oh please, by the time we hit 9th the rules will consist of lining up your models and then throwing them at one another. First player to draw blood wins.

The YMDC forums will be on fire.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

We can only hope that by then you've completely written your on rules set then cant we?

**Redemption**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
BrotherStynier wrote:Only 7th? Surely you're on to 8th and getting ready for 9th.

Oh please, by the time we hit 9th the rules will consist of lining up your models and then throwing them at one another. First player to draw blood wins.

The YMDC forums will be on fire.

Nerf metal Hive Tyrants! They have too many sharp pointy thingies!

**Commander Endova**

Pfft. 9th edition my ass.

I'm already QQ'ing about the new Squat codex.

Mole mortars that can only deepstrike onto enemy models, causing d12 S10 AP1 Apocalypse Barrage hits.

**H.B.M.C.**

Redemption wrote:Nerf metal Hive Tyrants! They have too many sharp pointy thingies!

Metal Hive Tyrants? Mother fether I've got me a lead 1st Ed Carnifex. That thing is like a pair of poisonous brass knuckles. It can KILL people.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

A lead Carnifex? Damn, count me out of fighting you in 9th edition.