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Scottywan82 wrote:SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

I'm with you on this one...

Solidarity brother!

Another interesting tidbit for the Eldar players:

A good source says the Eldar releases won't stop in June either, but mentions an 8 month schedule.

There's also some rumours about a plastic Eldar Super-Heavy appearing near the end of the year. But then again, when isn't there talk about plastic Super-Heavies appearing?

Edit: A more reliable source also backs up the Eldar Super-Heavy rumour, saying it won't see the light just yet, but will be worth the wait. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

Alpharius wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

I'm with you on this one...

Solidarity brother!

It'd be SO much work counting all that money they'd make.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:SO disappointed that there's STILL no word on a Griffon/Colossus. Until that set come sout, I'm not budging on my IG army.

I'm with you on this one...

Solidarity brother!

It'd be SO much work counting all that money they'd make.

Me and a friend would both get a battery of Griffons the moment they hit the streets.

I too have heard fairly credible sources confirm both the fire prism and the night spinner for the Eldar. Thay also have strongly hinted at an Eldar super heavy sometime in the near future.

Personaly if they do make a deathstrike sprue I can see it being direct only in the same way as the Ork Deff Rolla.

A manticore/hydra hybrid kit seems likely as after the underwhelming response to the re-cut bassie and chimera, just releasing a re-hashed russ would not be enough to draw cash from peoples wallets.

I am also sceptical of any more Ork releases any time soon, mainly due to all the love they have had recently and the lions share of the new battle missions releases going their way. Also with them being the focus of attention for the next IA book, I think it more likely to see FW releases.

I am hoping to go to the FW open day, so this should be a good opportunity to have a poke around and see whats likely to come out in the next few weeks.

Releasing a Ravager now seems very odd. I doubt it would be just a sprue to replace the current metal parts, when they've effectively confirmed that a new Raider model is in the works. Perhaps they will release an all-new Ravager to test reactions (and of course sales) to the new design?

I've heard that there will not be any new Warbuggy as part of the Spearhead releases.

squilverine wrote:
A manticore/hydra hybrid kit seems likely as after the underwhelming response to the re-cut bassie and chimera...

I wouldn't worry too much about that. This is a must have kit for the guard, so even if the new stuff wasn't that exciting people still have to buy it. I'm homing they put the extra time into the hydra/manticore kt because I'd love to field them.

Redemption wrote:Another interesting tidbit for the Eldar players:

A good source says the Eldar releases won't stop in June either, but mentions an 8 month schedule.

There's also some rumours about a plastic Eldar Super-Heavy appearing near the end of the year. But then again, when isn't there talk about plastic Super-Heavies appearing?

Edit: A more reliable source also backs up the Eldar Super-Heavy rumour, saying it won't see the light just yet, but will be worth the wait. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

8 months of Eldar releases or 8 months until the next Eldar release?

I'm pretty sold on the superheavy rumour, it's so consistent I can't see it not being true. How could you hide something that big!

Tailgunner wrote:Releasing a Ravager now seems very odd. I doubt it would be just a sprue to replace the current metal parts, when they've effectively confirmed that a new Raider model is in the works. Perhaps they will release an all-new Ravager to test reactions (and of course sales) to the new design?

I've heard that there will not be any new Warbuggy as part of the Spearhead releases.

Don't count on any Dark Eldar releases with Spearhead. If the new Ravager even exists, it will most likely come with the Dark Eldar update.

Moopy wrote:

squilverine wrote:
A manticore/hydra hybrid kit seems likely as after the underwhelming response to the re-cut bassie and chimera...

I wouldn't worry too much about that. This is a must have kit for the guard, so even if the new stuff wasn't that exciting people still have to buy it. I'm homing they put the extra time into the hydra/manticore kt because I'd love to field them.

Except there doesn't seem to be a Manticore/Hydra kit, but a Manticore/Deathstrike kit.

Gargskull wrote:8 months of Eldar releases or 8 months until the next Eldar release?

That's the question. Could easily be one release in June, and another release by the end of the year (maybe even 'just' the mentioned Super-Heavy).

Redemption wrote:There's also some rumours about a plastic Eldar Super-Heavy appearing near the end of the year.

If GW makes a plastic Eldar Cobra / Scorpion Type II, I'd buy them.

Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Mr. Burning wrote:Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Forgeworld also has the Manticore.

Mr. Burning wrote:Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Like I said way back when we heard about battle missions:

A Manticore/Hydra kit would work far far easier for GW than a Manticore/Deathstrike. The main turret body for the Hydra and Manticore models from FW are the exact same.

All you'd need to do is include the missile racks and quad autocannons, and kaboom. You're all set. Hell, it would even be relatively easy to magnetize.

Redemption wrote:Edit: A more reliable source also backs up the Eldar Super-Heavy rumour, saying it won't see the light just yet, but will be worth the wait. Guess we'll have to wait and see!

hmm... and Battlefoam just made a new foam tray for an eldar superheavy.. Does Romeo know something we don't?

strange things are afoot at the Circle-K!

Kanluwen wrote:

Mr. Burning wrote:Manticore/Deathstrike seems likely.

FW already has the Hydra upgrade.

How much more vehicle love can they give at the moment? Eldar need a new prism and should do with a super heavy but who else is really in need without having a new codex release? (Necrons and DE obviously).

With all these add ons for massed battles, tank battles etc I cant help thinking back to the days of epic, now long gone with GW's drive for cash.

Like I said way back when we heard about battle missions:

A Manticore/Hydra kit would work far far easier for GW than a Manticore/Deathstrike. The main turret body for the Hydra and Manticore models from FW are the exact same.

All you'd need to do is include the missile racks and quad autocannons, and kaboom. You're all set. Hell, it would even be relatively easy to magnetize.

And, as someone already answered, the manticore kit being built isn't going to look like the illustration. It will not look like the hydra.

Then it's not a Manticore?

It would be incredibly stupid of them not to just scan the kit over.

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's not a Manticore?

It would be incredibly stupid of them not to just scan the kit over.

Why? It's not like there's a shortcut to building a set if it's already in resin versus building it from scratch.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Then it's not a Manticore?

It would be incredibly stupid of them not to just scan the kit over.

Why? It's not like there's a shortcut to building a set if it's already in resin versus building it from scratch.

Yeah, there is. It's called a 3d AutoCAD scanner. GW uses them all the time.

It's how they did the Valkyrie.

Kanluwen wrote:I remember what you're talking about now. It was about the size of the old Warhammer Fantasy: Skirmish booklet. Cost $19.99 MSRP and was a really shoddily made thing bound like an old Discovery magazine.

By $19.99 you actually mean 3.95 unless you were ripped off epically. I got it, it was cheap and fun.

"It seems that a BFG booklet has been released called Battlefleet Gothic Invasion for for $3.95US. It is 32 pages and in a similar format and layout to the Warhammer Skirmish booklet. The table of contents are: 1 Introduction, 2 BFG Scenarios, 3 Asteroids and Planets, 5 Speed Painting of Fleets, 7 Ship Conversions, 8 Space Station Scenario, 10 Ship Showcase, 12 Boarding Actions, 18 Ion Cannon Scenario, 20 Catalog, 32 Assembling the Fleet. "

Somnicide wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I remember what you're talking about now. It was about the size of the old Warhammer Fantasy: Skirmish booklet. Cost $19.99 MSRP and was a really shoddily made thing bound like an old Discovery magazine.

By $19.99 you actually mean 3.95 unless you were ripped off epically. I got it, it was cheap and fun.

"It seems that a BFG booklet has been released called Battlefleet Gothic Invasion for for $3.95US. It is 32 pages and in a similar format and layout to the Warhammer Skirmish booklet. The table of contents are: 1 Introduction, 2 BFG Scenarios, 3 Asteroids and Planets, 5 Speed Painting of Fleets, 7 Ship Conversions, 8 Space Station Scenario, 10 Ship Showcase, 12 Boarding Actions, 18 Ion Cannon Scenario, 20 Catalog, 32 Assembling the Fleet. "

Yeah. I only have the receipt still, and noticed that it was listed as "Gothic Invasion Starter" @ $19.99. The FLGS I used to go to loved doing things like that where they'd put together small packages themselves to sell.

Maybe they packaged some other stuff with it then (I hope)

Well, like I said...they liked making their own starter sets. We had Skirmish package deals that they made a killing on, etc.

So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release? I know we think it's only a Falcon add on and not a super-heavy but last time I checked there was no Nightspinner in the Codex. Model releases outside of the Codex have usually been Apocalypse, right?

Flashman wrote:So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release? I know we think it's only a Falcon add on and not a super-heavy but last time I checked there was no Nightspinner in the Codex. Model releases outside of the Codex have usually been Apocalypse, right?

The rules will be in a WD.

Platuan4th wrote:

Flashman wrote:So is this Nightspinner an Apocalypse release? I know we think it's only a Falcon add on and not a super-heavy but last time I checked there was no Nightspinner in the Codex. Model releases outside of the Codex have usually been Apocalypse, right?

The rules will be in a WD.

I'm wondering what kind of rules we can expect from the Night Spinner. It seems like it will be pretty awesome.

Sasori wrote:I'm wondering what kind of rules we can expect from the Night Spinner.

Presumably, it will be a multi-modal Whirlwind / Griffon equivalent with a S6 AP- monofilament attack, using the 5" Blast, but with some Eldar trick against Infantry to replace Ordnance.

I'd assume Rending, but it's such a lazy solution.

Tbh I can't see a Night Spinner selling particularly well, based on existing rules I have seen for it it is basically an Eldar equivalent of a Whirlwind (just faster and possibly transport capability), and how often does anyone see Whirlwinds used? Anything more than Whirlwind/Griffon type stats and its going to be encroaching on the Fire Prisms heavy infantry killing power.

Eldar don't really need to be able to squash light infantry at range, they focus on killing the heavy stuff first while using mobility to initially avoid and then surround the lighter stuff.

Particularly the timing of the Night Spinner release seems strange to me, anyone who expects a tank with exclusively anti infantry weapons to sell well when released with a supplement which centers around taking as many tanks as possible needs their head checked (also putting aside the rules issues with the Night Spinner not being in the Codex).

But what if the Spinner left a 5 inch marker on the table that infantry moving through it took wounds? A huge bundle of razor sharp monofilimant wire.

Oh, no doubt the Night Spinner is a problem for all the reasons you listed. For it to be attractive, it needs to be more akin to the effectiveness of a Colossus (S6 AP3 Large Ordnance No-Cover).

The Warp Spider nerf to Eldar monofilament and fixed BS3 makes this very difficult.

About the only thing I can see is making it a dedicated anti-horde force multiplier: have it Squadronable and armed with 2 Spinners each, so the unit can lay down multiple large templates when moving slowly. Dropping a Barrage of a half-dozen large S6 AP- Rending templates would go a long way toward making the model playable against hordes.

"Uber cheese" to be sure, but what new toy or trick isn't called "cheese" these days?

Price could also be the defining issue, if its one shot but only costs as little as a whirlwind it could still see a lot of use.

Jack