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OK I didn't read where it said if you don't get a pm you are a citizen
then read it thought ohh damn edited it to a random vote

@Drk_O - I actually like your linked quote thing. However, Personally I use quotes a lot and am lazy - therefore I shall not provide links to things I am quoting unless I am asked to or unless the quote comes from a point a few pages prior to when I post.

BishopGore wrote:This is my second game of Mafia, the first being one that has not ended yet and I'm still learning. Different people have different ways of playing and I guess I thought I'd try to fit in a little, forgetting that trying to fit in looks suspicious.

I find this a very interesting line of thought. You were trying to fit in by trying to ignore Vulkan's role PM claim? I'm not sure I see how that's trying to "fit in," personally. For the record, yes, you are correct that trying too hard to 'fit in' can be detrimental to town. It is best (in my opinion at least) to simply do your best at whatever tactic you feel offers the best chance to catch Genestealers. As I noted earlier to Lord-Loss, the town can suffer if there is a single leader who is killed or is a Genestealer, so it helps the town to be as akin to the Alpha Legion and have many leaders who will provide the Genestealers with a lot of difficult targets to choose from.

n0t_u wrote:I am the Inquisitor, and you are all guilty until such a time as I suspect you of innocence".

IF THERE IS A PSKYER DO *NOT* CLAIM JUST YET!
IF THERE IS ANOTHER/REAL INQUISITOR DO *NOT COUNTER CLAIM YET!

Good gawd, n0t_u, I'm not sure how to respond to this. I can see the possibility of a certain pro-town angle here, and if that's what you're doing then you are the man and I love the ballsy play. For the record to everyone else, I do not suspect n0t_u at least for today. Prior to the lynch scene I'll make sure to include some more thoughts on this to try to help you in case I am killed to death, but at least through the remainder of Day 1 there is no reason not to believe n0t_u.

@n0t_u - what is your read on BishopGore?

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:OK I didn't read where it said if you don't get a pm you are a citizen
then read it thought ohh damn edited it to a random vote

A random vote? Of the guy who just (randomly?) happened to be the one voting for you? What about your vote was random and how did you randomly decide to vote BishopGore?

Wow this Day 1 is the most..... drama-ific I've seen so far. Kuddos to it.

Thor665 wrote:I find this a very interesting line of thought. You were trying to fit in by trying to ignore Vulkan's role PM claim? I'm not sure I see how that's trying to "fit in," personally. For the record, yes, you are correct that trying too hard to 'fit in' can be detrimental to town. It is best (in my opinion at least) to simply do your best at whatever tactic you feel offers the best chance to catch Genestealers. As I noted earlier to Lord-Loss, the town can suffer if there is a single leader who is killed or is a Genestealer, so it helps the town to be as akin to the Alpha Legion and have many leaders who will provide the Genestealers with a lot of difficult targets to choose from.

This part of my post has nothing to do with fitting in. As I said, I wanted Vulkan to live in this game because of another game that may or may not be taking place at some other part of the space time continuum. Since one shouldn't speak of other games. Like Fight Club. If I had been the only one to see Vulkan's slip up (if it WAS a slip up) then firstly it seemed unfair of me to call attention to it (I like the underdog) and secondly I guess I liked the idea of being the only one to know. Which is horribly suspicious. I'm not doing well so far today.

I'm not sure you should say the town should be like a Chaos Space Marine Legion... that seems a little... heretical.

I'm sorry Mr Inquisitor, when I saw all the destruction my mind went to a strange place, but when you entered the room your purity shone like a beacon on my soul and washed away all the grime. I am pure now and will never look at dirty holotapes again. *bats eyelashes*

Just his opening post hints strongly at Slaneesh worship. Your mind went to a strange place? Your heresy will be forgiven by the Emperor through faith and fire.

the_ferrett wrote:Wow this Day 1 is the most..... drama-ific I've seen so far. Kuddos to it.

Indeed - it is interesting. The question, however, is what reads are you getting out of it? I don't need to know if you find it interesting, I need to know if you see scummy activity yet. If you don't see scummy activity yet then you should probably be trying to help generate some sort of conversation that will cause the Genestealer's to mess up rather then simply commenting generically on the general feeling of drama you feel towards the game.

What is your opinion of the Vulkan/BishopGore voting circle?

BishopGore wrote:I'm not sure you should say the town should be like a Chaos Space Marine Legion... that seems a little... heretical.

Do you think my action in that regard was heretical? Why/why not, and how do you think it does or does not serve as evidence of me being a Genestealer?

Man, you guys take the random voting stage seriously.

Your talk of the Alpha Legion was not heretical, as I assume you were refering to their early work before the Heresy. In character I would know nothing of this, but there's no real gap between in and out of character in Mafia, because it's not an RP game. So no, the comment does not mark you as a genestealer. Just as someone who uses similies without worrying about staying in character.

Honestly there's no one yet besides me who's been suspicious, and I know I'm not a genestealer.

I'd also like to point out that the proponant of the 'voting circle' was Vulkan. I chose a random person who hadn't been voted for yet, and Vulkan responded with his usual lack of thought. There's no point unvoting him yet, there's noone else worth voting for, when the time comes I'll go back to ignoring him.

random voting I picked a name on the list (with random name picker online)
and it was bishop gore
so sorry for being random

Logically, not_u would not claim to be an Inquisitor at this stage unless he is, right? Because he has set himself up to be investigated, and that means that if he is a genestealer, he has scrod himself, and if he is a Citizen, that hardly helps us.

Unless there is a genestealer blocker, to stop other people investigating him... Hmmm... Or he thinks he can make real Inquisitors look bad by making the claim first...

Surely he has just set himself up to be target number 1 if he isn't a 'stealer?

Hmmm... was a blocker one of the possibilities in the original post?

*goes back to read carefully*

If there is a magus, like it says in the first post, what can they do?

BishopGore wrote:Man, you guys take the random voting stage seriously.

The internets are serious business! (on a simple game concept - I like to take certain aspects of RVS seriously because the goal of town is to get *out* of RVS as soon as possible. The sooner people are offering legitimate thought on votes and actions of themselves and others the better it is for town in my opinion.)

Your talk of the Alpha Legion was not heretical, as I assume you were refering to their early work before the Heresy. In character I would know nothing of this, but there's no real gap between in and out of character in Mafia, because it's not an RP game. So no, the comment does not mark you as a genestealer. Just as someone who uses similies without worrying about staying in character.

To be frank, I don't do much of the 'in character' stuff as I find the simple logic puzzle/analyzation of others' actions aspect of the game more interesting and fun. I simply asked you about this point because you commented that I seemed heretical for it and wished to know how you were applying or not applying logic to it. I don't support ever trying to advance any sort of case via the use of 'fluff' reasons (so I'm equally unimpressed with n0t_u's current case on you, but as part of the RVS it's not inherently bad, it's simply not inherently useful either)

Honestly there's no one yet besides me who's been suspicious...Vulkan responded with his usual lack of thought.

You believe Vulkan voted you with lack of thought (of course he has admitted this now) but you also think you're the most guilty seeming? Meh. You do agree that you are suspicious for your 'I didn't see that' moment and now we have both you and Vulkan voting for each other. It really looks like there is some sort of energy between you two that is quite possibly telling of one (or both) being Genestealers. If you are innocent, as you claim, then why do you think Vulkan voted you? Do you really think it was just random carelessness, or do you think he did it because he's a Genestealer?

Fifty wrote:Logically, not_u would not claim to be an Inquisitor at this stage unless he is, right? Because he has set himself up to be investigated, and that means that if he is a genestealer, he has scrod himself, and if he is a Citizen, that hardly helps us.

I do not wish to comment on this concept too much at this point. However, for the course of Day 1 (unless he does something ridiculous) I do not think it will benefit the Imperials to vote for n0t_u and for the rest of today I am accepting him as the Inquisitor. You may feel free to respond to him in whatever manner you think is best. I do strongly encourage no other roles to reveal themselves at this time (except for the Genestealer team, it would be beneficial if you revealed at this point)

2- Thor..................(Brother Stynier, DarkO)
1- DDRE.................(Fifty)
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
1- Vulkan_Hestan....(Bishop Gore)
0- Arheiner
2- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
1- Drk_Oblit............(Thor)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

And DarkO, I know you said "not Vote: Thor, but because the not wasn't bolded, you're now voting for him. Feel free to unvote at your leisure.

Vulkan has a knee-jerk reaction whenever he's voted for of voting for that person, as if there's no way anything bad could come of it. I have nothing to explain with regards to that.

I've said some dumb things so far this game, but that's because I get over excited at the start of a game. Either you'll hold it against me or you'll realise it was simply a mistake, either way I can't change the past.

Unvote: Vulkan

That vote isn't going to get me anywhere and it's a waste of time anyway after his slip.

Mmmmh...little bit of a strange intro there Not_U. Aggressive style of play, I like it.

BishopGore, you are now even more suspect in my eyes. After Thor brings up you and Vulkan voting for each other as one of your main suspicious points. You go and then unvote him straight after said comment was made. Then again, I might be reading in to it a little too much.

Actually no. Thor called me on the vote shortly after Vulkan voted for me. That was about 4-5 of my posts ago. I didn't unvote him then, but am now, after all the talk has happened.

You guys have said the 'voting circle' (though 2 points don't usually make a circle) is suspicious, I've given reasons why it happened, now I'm unvoting him for the reasons stated above.

Well enough made points. I do indeed agree that voting for Vulkan at this stage won't yield much conversation.

Whom do you find suspicious then Gore?

hmmm, i never knew you guys were this trigger happy about voting, well, i learned from said previous games that i will post when i have enough evidence.

shas'o vera wrote:hmmm, i never knew you guys were this trigger happy about voting, well, i learned from said previous games that i will post when i have enough evidence.

Trigger happy in what way? How do you feel we are being trigger happy and why do you feel it's not a good idea to play that way?

How are you planning to gather evidence if your plan is to remain quiet until "enough evidence" shows up. Theoretically you are going to gather evidence from people's conversations - why would you not want to try to help/encourage that conversation?

What is your opinion of Vulkan? Do you think his 'need my role PM' comment was intended to mislead us or do you think it was an honest slip?

Trust me, if you try that people jump on you for not wanting to add anything and being suspicious Shas'o, happened to me in my first game although I was innocent.

@Arheiner - do you agree with me that we should treat n0t_u as Inquisitor at least through Day 1? How do you feel about his vote on BishopGore?

Thor you seem very intent on controlling the way this is going, though from experience in prior games thats what you always do, power role or not. Similar much in the same respect that I try and remain relatively engaging.


Looks as though Drk_O will be going his similar route, which means he'll probably make people go, "Is he or isn't he?" To which the proper response is to;

UNVOTE: Thor

and

VOTE: Dark_O should he be a stealer well hey that's great, if he's not a least the suspect list is shorter.

BrotherStynier wrote:Thor you seem very intent on controlling the way this is going, though from experience in prior games thats what you always do, power role or not.

I have always and openly stated that I am always going to be trying to control the game to obligate people to express their thoughts and explain their votes. Also, my antics on the last page have pretty much all been asking relevant and logical questions to players who have posted up comments without actually posting up content.

High level of comments with low level of content = good for Genestealers and bad for town.

I also agree with your vote consolidation to Drk_O. We should get a few wagons rolling to see how people react to them.

Well I understand your method of play it is highly useful, also I'd like to clarify that I meant un-engaging above as I'm usually one of the quieter ones.


I feel Drk_O will do what he usually does, cloud the discussion with a high level of comments that mean absolutely nothing. So from your statement about comments with out content assisting the 'stealers, if he's a loyalist his death will assist us in another manner. It will cut the amount of clutter the genestealers will be able to hide in.

You're already talking about lynching Stynier? We're barely into Day One!

Dark_Oblit has barely said anything.

BishopGore wrote:@Drk_Oblitr8r - how do you link a quote? Do you just put the URL code around Quote code, or is it something different?

I think so, grab the link to the post, put it in this(replace <> for []) <url=link><quote></quote></url> I'm not sure if it works with the url in the quote, but meh.

Thor665 wrote:@Drk_O - I actually like your linked quote thing. However, Personally I use quotes a lot and am lazy - therefore I shall not provide links to things I am quoting unless I am asked to or unless the quote comes from a point a few pages prior to when I post.

OOC: I think I exadurated alittle. I think it should be used more on quotes for posts that are also from a few DayPhases previous. I completely forgot about an easier way to know which quotes are true or not. Memory.

BrotherStynier wrote:I feel Drk_O will do what he usually does, cloud the discussion with a high level of comments that mean absolutely nothing. So from your statement about comments with out content assisting the 'stealers, if he's a loyalist his death will assist us in another manner. It will cut the amount of clutter the genestealers will be able to hide in.

Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...

As I noted earlier - there is a difference between a post and a post with content. Your post here is a great example.

You have lots of discussion, are responding to a few posters, and are working hard at looking helpful and having a general dialogue about the flow of the game.

However, when someone actually looks at the post what do they see? Is there any information in there that is relevant to the game discussion? Do I know your attitude towards any of the other players better now then I did before? Did you make a case against anyone, or discuss anything that looked scummy or townish to you? Did you offer a plan or concept that will help town find scum or discern a better voting strategy?

You have posted a post that suggests activity without actually giving away any reads or doing anything that will generate game related content. Each post you make ought to at least be answering/questioning/analyzing/pressuring one of the players/actions in the game in order for it to help us find scum. (of course if you can come up with something that is not on that list and showcase how it helps find scum I am good with that too - but if you're not helping town find scum then you are more likely to be scum yourself, or a player who is not helping his team)

I am happier with my Drk_O vote now, if anyone is not happy with their vote we could do with another 1-2 over here. If you disagree with me calling Drk_O for this or find another player more scummy then say so and explain why

Lord-Loss wrote:You're already talking about lynching Stynier? We're barely into Day One!

Dark_Oblit has barely said anything.

This is hardly an unusual attitude from Stynier, and he has used it before in other games where he was a town oriented role. He is explaining why his vote is where it currently is, and that is something I agree with. I actually will note that I disagree with his basic reasoning insomuch as it is always preferable to be voting someone you find scummy rather then a policy lynch based on the lack of expected contribution from a certain player. Though, of course, this early in the day it is not an unreasonable standpoint to take while awaiting more evidence/actions (which is basically what I just did, as Drk_O's post above this one is a lot of sturm and drang signifying nothing and legitimately feels scummy to me).

Do you think Stynier is scummy for wanting to lynch Drk_O now (though I disagree that Stynier said this) and for the reasons stated? If so you should vote for him since your current vote appears to be a joking RVS vote. If you do not think Stynier is acting scummy then why are you bringing up his action?

Gornall - I would like to note that Mekboy is the only player who has not yet posted and is at approximately 1.5 days of inactivity (Sunday counting as a half day and Monday). If he hasn't posted by some point tomorrow please prod him.

Thor665 wrote:

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure what to tell you, most of what I say means something. Maybe you don't see it, maybe I'm not clear enough. I'm not sure. I'll try and focus more. I want to be more help...

As I noted earlier - there is a difference between a post and a post with content. Your post here is a great example.

You have lots of discussion, are responding to a few posters, and are working hard at looking helpful and having a general dialogue about the flow of the game.

However, when someone actually looks at the post what do they see? Is there any information in there that is relevant to the game discussion? Do I know your attitude towards any of the other players better now then I did before? Did you make a case against anyone, or discuss anything that looked scummy or townish to you? Did you offer a plan or concept that will help town find scum or discern a better voting strategy?

You have posted a post that suggests activity without actually giving away any reads or doing anything that will generate game related content. Each post you make ought to at least be answering/questioning/analyzing/pressuring one of the players/actions in the game in order for it to help us find scum. (of course if you can come up with something that is not on that list and showcase how it helps find scum I am good with that too - but if you're not helping town find scum then you are more likely to be scum yourself, or a player who is not helping his team)

I am happier with my Drk_O vote now, if anyone is not happy with their vote we could do with another 1-2 over here. If you disagree with me calling Drk_O for this or find another player more scummy then say so and explain why

I was actually unaware I wasn't doing any of those things you listed. I do like to think that I offer my opinnion, which could shed some light on someone that someone may not have had. I did also ask Vulkan why he didn't explain why he didn't vote for Bishop, so I'm not %100 pointless

I'll have to let you know though, while I appreciate you helping me just now, I completely disagree with you calling on me. You're continuing to vote for me because you beleive I wasn't helping. While it's deffinately true, I think you're voting for me because you think I have/was doing it on purpose. I didn't realise I wasn't actually helping until now.

However, I'm going to Unvote: Thor665, because an eye for an eye, and you gave me my over one back.

I'll go over what I think about who I find suspicious so far :

Bishop, as MR INQUISITOR so elegantly pointed out, has shown evidence of Slanesh worship. However, I remember someone had almost died from talking about a certain ab-human in their first post. So, I would think I should let it slide. However, Gornall did say

Gornall wrote:There may also be a "loose cannon" role of Assassin and/or Night Lord... or there may not. Basically, you cannot assume anything.

The very moment you're told not to assume anything, you can always assume that it's true. So it may be that if there would be a Night Lords Assailant, that it may indeed be Bishop who could be a NLA. Only time will tell.

n0t_u (hereby refered to as MR INQUISITOR) There are three possibilities.
1. He is an Inquisitor, (and deserves the nick name I have given him) trying to proove there is no good time to say "Hey, I am the Inquisitor"
2. He is a Genestealer, hoping that there is no Inquisitor, meaning that there would be a Psyker who will now protect him every NightPhase from Bish-- I mean a NLA
3. He is the NLA, hoping for the same thing as my second outlined possibilty, and also to put some fear in the Genestealers.

I'm getting vibes from Vulkan, but they're the normal vibes I get from Vulkan. Easily frustrated, possibly disinterested in the game. I'm probibly wrong, but I know what my spidey sense is telling me.

I'm also getting Vibes from Stynier, but it's probibly just a knee jerk reaction. Easily ignored for now, because I respect what he was getting at.

I'm not sure I should vote for anyone at the moment, I need to think things over.

I will give Mekboy some more time, as I technically started a day early (I had previously said plan to start on the 5th).

1- Thor..................(DarkO)
1- DDRE.................(Fifty)
0- Lord-Loss
1- Mekboy..............(Lord Loss)
1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
0- Vulkan_Hestan
0- Arheiner
2- BishopGore.........(DDRE, n0t_U)
0- Brother Stynier
2- Drk_Oblit............(Thor, Brother Stynier)
0- Shas O'vera
0- Ferret
0- Not U

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

n0t_u (hereby refered to as MR INQUISITOR) There are three possibilities.
1. He is an Inquisitor, (and deserves the nick name I have given him) trying to proove there is no good time to say "Hey, I am the Inquisitor"

Well, if he really is an Inquisitor, and it works, he may prove otherwise. Oddly enough, if he is a faker he is probably also a 'stealer, so one way to spot the real Inquisitor may now be to look for 'stealerish behaviour towards not_U.

2. He is a Genestealer, hoping that there is no Inquisitor, meaning that there would be a Psyker who will now protect him every NightPhase from Bish-- I mean a NLA

Let me get this right, Inquisitors investigate and find out exactly what the person really is. (I got that from the last game - see I can learn!) Psykers protect against investigation, but they do not learn anything about who they are protecting, so they could protect the wrong person, right? Psykers don't protect against death, do they? So a Genestealer could be protected by a Magus, 'cos they get to talk to each other, or an Imperial psyker, 'cos that Psyker thinks he is an Inquisitor but has no way of checking. Or a Magus could even "protect" a genuine Inquisitor to make him look suspicious, but then how would anyone know he was protecting him unless there were two Inquisitors?

3. He is the NLA, hoping for the same thing as my second outlined possibilty, and also to put some fear in the Genestealers.

So what do Night Lords do? They are against everyone, right? What special powers do they have? What does the A stand for in NLA?

I do not feel a vote for DDRE is currently useful, so I unvote Deff Dread red Edition. I do not see any value in voting right now, as I feel we have discussion going without needing random votes to push it forward, so I will hold off for a little while.

A question for Arheiner - Your vote for me was very early? Can I assume it was random, or was there some sinister logic behind it?

A question for not_U - I assume, having announced/faked your authority, you will be planning to tell us exactly who you have "investigated" each night? It would seem silly not to do so now you have "revealed(?)" yourself.