Genestealer Game 4: 40k Leagues Under the Sea

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**Fifty**

I mean, why vote for Ferret if you are going to unvote him if anyone else votes for him? It seems kind of pointless voting for him, that being the case.

**BishopGore**

I am really sorry guys, there's no real excuse for my absence, so I'll try to comment on the questions asked of me.

Ferrett wrote:BishopGore - Now that this has turned out, and you've been gunning for my blood since day 1, will you follow through on your aim to kill?

Yes, yes I will. You've been difficult and argumentative at every turn. Now you're being overly aggressive/whiny in every post and then complaining that people are picking on you.

Vote: Ferrett

Enough said.

BishopGore - Not sad much, but pertinent when he does... A possible "sleeper" to partner a more active 'stealer?

You're right, I'm not sad much, I'm generally chirpy. No emo am I! But you're right, since the first couple of days real time of this game I've been quiet. It's partly due to the other game, which is crazily exciting and partly because I'm working my moobs off at my new job, which is awesome but a lot more time consuming. But that's OOC stuff, which shouldn't get in the way of this commitment. I solemnly swear to post every other day (unless something awful happens), or I'll give Thor the Bishop-whip.

Anyway. Wow. Lots going on. Thor is being pointed at by a couple of chaps, but only one vote on him. I'm tempted to think of him as clever evil, but then again I think this game would sink without him. Or maybe without him we'd all flourish as we'd be forced to think for ourselves rather than posting ideas for Thor to think through for us.

"Thor, I had a thought that maybe if I wore my underpants on my head, the extra warmth might make it blatantly obvious who was evil"
"Well yes, you could do that, but that doesn't mean we'd all follow your lead. Unless you've got some form of underpants clique who're all also playing this game. I must investigate this underpants clique now..."

I think I'm going to find Thor some theme music. Somewhere between Poirot and the Pink Panther.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

Fifty wrote:I mean, why vote for Ferret if you are going to unvote him if anyone else votes for him? It seems kind of pointless voting for him, that being the case.

After considering it, I think that I'm not going to change my current vote. His mopey demeanor and strange vote switch are my main reasons for doing so. He is the best suspect we have for now, and I feel that sticking with my vote would be best, at least for now.

**the_ferrett**

Tis very tempting simply to fall upon my own sword to show you how much....

*chuckles* Why the hell not. I've played these games uncouthly up to now, we'll finish my part in this one with a bang rather than a fizzle.

*turns gun on self* I'll see you all when my 3rd Ed bionics roll a six.

Vote: the_ferrett

**Thor665**

Sneaking in before night falls - with ferret's self-vote he is more then likely town as there was no reason for scum to have done what he did and usually self-votes come from an annoyed town player rather then scum.

If this is true I have serious doubts about DDRE for his odd floating on to the wagon with his odd 'not sure if I'll want to help lynch him' commentary. In any case, there is a *high* probability scum is on the ferret wagon if ferret is town, and that should be investigated tomorrow.

**Fifty**

*attempts to wrest the gun from Ferret before he fires, but (probably?) fails*

Funny thing is that Shas is not on the Ferret wagon, and I would now look back toward him.

Ferret, I wondered if you realise your objective is not to survive, but to kill the 'stealers? If you die and we still catch the 'stealers, you still count as winning. Sure, it is nice to survive, but this way out just means you have;

A) Denied us a chance to keep talking
B) Denied us a chance of seeing who else would vote for you.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Well this day was great...

**BishopGore**

Fair enough Ferrett, at least your actions here convince me of my right-nous of thought in the other thread. It would seem that a town role is not really your strong suit

Ok, so we were all piling onto you, but turning the gun on yourself? I'm a little disappointed. We need gumption if we're to get through this ordeal and find the ones who trapped us... 40K LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA.

**Gornall**

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END OF DAY 3 STORY POST
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The stress is simply too much for Ferret to take and in a fit he blindly flees to a pressure lock and closes the door behind him. Before anyone can react, he opens the outer door, letting the ocean flood in and crush him into a tiny, greasy ball of meat. Hardly the work of a cold-blooded killer...

Ferret is a loyal, but suicidal Imperial Civilian!!!
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Get your night actions to me by Monday at 1800 EST. Sorry the story was rushed, but I'm still on the road.

**Gornall**

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BEGINNING OF DAY 4 STORY POST
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Once again the dawn brings only the promise of more suspicion, terror, and death. Even a Pysker and an Inquisitor were not enough to hold the xenos at bay... when the loyalists easily outnumbered the alien scum. Now that your numbers have been thinned over the past 3 days and nights, all hope seems lost. The discovery of Stynier only adds to the despair....

From the looks of his room, he had at least put up a valiant fight, as the remnants of broken furniture and and dried sprays of blood are scattered across the room. In the end, it was futile, as you survey the scene and see the torn and rent bits and pieces of Stynier thrown amongst the wreckage. Once the beasts had overcome Stynier, they had slowly torn him apart piece by piece.... death by a thousands cuts.

Stynier was a loyal Imperial Civilian!
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Current Vote Count:

0- Thor
0- DDRE
0- Fifty
0- Arheiner
0- BishopGore
0- Shas O'vera

With 6 Alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

This is a Lynch or Lose situation. With 2 Genestealers, if you do not lynch one, they can nightkill a townsperson, leaving 2 stealers and 2 townies. That means no lynch the next day and the stealers can night kill and lynch the last townie. Take your time and make the most of this day, which ends on 1800 EST Monday May 31st.

**BishopGore**

You know what, this game isn't going so well.

Do the good guys ever win these games?

Right, so, Thor has been very good at keeping the game moving, but his ideas about who to go for have been mostly wrong. But so have mine, so I certainly can't assume he's evil because of that.

Arheiner is playing the game similarly to how he has in the other game, so unless he's using psychology I reckon he's a loyalist. A bored loyalist with nothing much to keep him interested.

DDRE and Fifty? They're kind of similar... both very good at being involved, both voting sensibly each round. Not sure if they've been backing each other up.

Shas'O seems bored. Part of me is beginning to wonder if Shas and Vulkan are the same person, they are generally quiet and don't make much sense and get lynched either at the beginning or end of the game and will turn out to be innocent. Not saying he is innocent, but I don't see him as a likely candidate.

So my new list of who I think is most -> least suspect:

1. Thor
2. DDRE/Fifty
3. Arheiner
4. Shas'O

It's very late now, I will try to get on soon and investigate/explain further why I think Thor may be the most likely genestealer...

**Thor665**

I'm actually frustrated that I'm still alive as it suggests that I've been very off on my reads to the point the Genestealers have been content to let me live since I'm barking up all the wrong trees.

My previous list would have been;

1. DDRE
2. Arheiner
3. Bishop Gore
4. shas'o
5. Fifty

The problem of course being that I've been pretty loud and proud of my beliefs and I've been quite wrong thus far this game. I'm going to go back and do some re-reading of yesterday and the first day phase as I suspect there should be easy connections to make between voters from the first lynch wagon and voters from this last one (though ferret did deny us a read on at least one person which is quite aggravating)

Also (and nobody freak out, I'll explain this in a moment);

@Gornall - could we get a prod or a modkill on Arheiner please?

The reason I'm asking for a possible kill of Arheiner is quite simple. Right at the moment if we mislynch town we lose. However, if we lynch no one we don't lose, because scum will kill one target and leave 5 alive for the next day - which doesn't give them the win. This leaves us the possibility to play statistics and not lynch today in order to have a better chance of lynching correctly tomorrow. The problem is scum will usually NK people that you town doesn't suspect or are useful townies. By requesting a prod or modkill what I'm doing is stealing the Genestealer NK and using it on a player who is either not productive in helping us find scum and/or is scum himself.

My goal is to kill Arheiner via Gornall or to get Arheiner talking today. If he talks - great, we can try to read him that way. If Gornall kills him, great, we'll learn whether he was a Genestealer or innocent and it will increase the statistical likelihood of us catching scum with our lynch today.

**Arheiner**

Or perhaps you're a genestealer who wants a modkill to kill off a townie, we have no way of telling, even if modkilling me is within the rules. As for my opinions, Bishop seems easily persuadable, I want to look at the opinions he believes and hope we can find something by that, I'm not really expecting him to be a genestealer but I could see them trying to mess with him.

**Thor665**

Arheiner wrote:Or perhaps you're a genestealer who wants a modkill to kill off a townie,

I've actually already explained why this tactic is against the Genestealer's best interest.

6 Players are alive - 2 are Genestealers, we have a 1/3 chance of lynching a Genestealer today via picking totally randomly.
I get you modkilled. You flip town.
5 Players are alive - 2 are Genestealers, we have a 2/5 chance of lynching a Genestealer today via picking totally randomly. (this is better odds)
If we lynch wrong in either situation we lose, so better odds are better.

I get you modkilled. You flip scum.
5 Players are alive - 1 is a Genestealer, we have a 1/5 chance of lynching a Genestealer today via picking totally randomly.
We can afford to mislynch, so we'll get a second chance to lynch the last Genestealer. Two chances to lynch a Genestealer are better then one, so better odds are better.

I'll also add that I was acceptable to the idea of you actually showing up and commenting as well - welcome to the game.

we have no way of telling, even if modkilling me is within the rules.

Gornall explained the way his prods would work this game - it is within his stated rules.

As for my opinions, Bishop seems easily persuadable, I want to look at the opinions he believes and hope we can find something by that, I'm not really expecting him to be a genestealer but I could see them trying to mess with him.

Have you already seen examples of BishopGore being persuadable? I'm not saying you're wrong (though I'll admit I do disagree with you) but for you to think he's easy to persuade you must have already seen him easily persuaded of something, yes?

**Fifty**

Arheiner wrote:Or perhaps you're a genestealer who wants a modkill to kill off a townie, we have no way of telling, even if modkilling me is within the rules. As for my opinions, Bishop seems easily persuadable, I want to look at the opinions he believes and hope we can find something by that, I'm not really expecting him to be a genestealer but I could see them trying to mess with him.

((ooc Why do you even care? This is your first post since the 26th of last month. That is TWENTY-TWO days. I don't even care if you are a townie or a 'stealer, I just want to try and play the last bit of this game without your complete lack of posting muddying the waters. You either don't have any interest in this game, or you are using a tactic that should have already seen you thrown out.))

IC I agree with Thor's logic, and whereas he is happy to see you post, I'd rather see you modkilled.

The fact that it was only when yet another person asked for a modkill on you makes me think that your silence was a tactic to avoid lynching, and it is only when it looks like finally floundering that you come out of it. On the other hand, your complete lack of interest suggests, as BishopGore said, that you are probably a bored loyalist. Either way, you are more use to us dead.

(This is all on the assumption that a modkill would deny the 'stealers a night kill. If it wouldn't, I want you alive)

If Arheiner is not modkilled, I suggest going with Thor's suggestion of not lynching. We'll have a 2 in 5 chance of finding a 'stealer instead of 2 in 6. (On the the other hand, that would drag the game out for a LONG time. If we all agreed, could we skip straight to a night phase once we were ready? I'd rather have worse odds than wait 2 whole weeks.)

**BishopGore**

We have a 1/3 chance of finding a stealer today. That is assuming that no stealer has made a slip all game, or that it's been so lost in the maddening amount of posts that we've no hope of finding it.

I don't like the idea that we let another Imperial die tonight simply so we have slightly better odds. These genestealers are smart. They're working together so well that we have no clue who they might be. I honestly think that the more people are whittled away, the less chance we have.

Assumption 1:
we lynch a genestealer today.
Tonight an imperial dies and we have 3 imperials and a genestealer.

Assumption 2:
we vote no lynch today
Tonight an imperial dies and we have 3 imperials and 2 genestealers.

Either way, we have to find both of the genestealers in 2 days. I can see how the odds would make it a little more in our favour, but I don't like it much.

If we are going to vote no lynch, I ask that we do it later this week so we all have a little time to really get to grips with the others present.

As another point about Arheiner, when Mekboy went quiet for a little while, Gornall quickly modkilled him, because he was a stealer. Arheiner has been very quiet and Gornall hasn't bothered doing anything about it. Likelihood of stealer is not high.

And his comments about being easily led probably stem from the game he just died in. I'm not sure if he's frustrated with me not being on his side or because I was absent in the few hours the Dark Kin needed to persuade the other non-Dark Kin to lynch him. But I see where he is coming from, I have a tendency to trust people I shouldn't.

**Deff Dread red Edition**

BishopGore wrote:
As another point about Arheiner, when Mekboy went quiet for a little while, Gornall quickly modkilled him, because he was a stealer. Arheiner has been very quiet and Gornall hasn't bothered doing anything about it. Likelihood of stealer is not high.

I actually think this makes him likely to be a stealer. You see, Gornall(at least to my memory)had said that the promotion to a stealer was a one time thing. Gornall couldn't this late in the game promote yet another stealer, so he's keeping Arheiner around.

**Gornall**

Because I don't want people metagaming my lack of action too much, my full disclosure is that I haven't been prodding/mod-killing because I've been lazy and traveling. It has nothing to do with any roles any of the quiet ones may or may not have. I simply have been swamped at work so I have not been able to dedicate the time to this that I could earlier on.

**Fifty**

So, BishopGore, if you were going to lynch, who would it be?

Arheiner, rather than just asking what Bish thinks, why not give us your opinions?

DDRE, rather than ignore you, I'll ask the same of you.

I've been quite vocal about my opinions so far, and I've been ignored once, with regards to Shas, and got it wrong once, that was Ferret. I can't even remember if I voted for the other lynchee - I think I either did, or would have done if someone else had not gotten him first, but I was following others on that one.

It would be nice if someone other than myelf or Thor championed a lynch then followed through on their case with some evidence and/or persuasion.

**BishopGore**

Right now I'm heavily suspicious of Thor because I'm not suspicious of him. I generally find I'm dead wrong about people, so it seems logical to me! However that's not logic, that's just being foolish. I've just got back from our weekly Games Club where my Space Marines got beaten into a bloody pulp by Tyranids, so again I'm going to plead off with not having the energy to go back through and make logical arguments based on actual facts, but I promise I will do so very soon.

**Thor665**

Fifty wrote:(This is all on the assumption that a modkill would deny the 'stealers a night kill. If it wouldn't, I want you alive)

It denies them a NK insomuch as it lets the town dictate who the NK is as opposed to letting the Genestealers choose the NK. If we lynch wrong today (unless Arheiner is scum and is modkilled) then we loose no matter what.

That all said, I think your current desire to have Arheiner modkilled at this point is going to head nowhere since I doubt Gornall will kill him if he's posting.

@Everyone - BishopGore and I have both offered up our suspect/town lists. I encourage everyone to do so at this point. Again, if we mislynch we lose, so we ought to try to get on the same page as far as who we all agree is town and who we agree is suspicious. I'm also planning to get together a list of who voted for each individual lynch, but I am lazy, so if anyone wants to do so before I get to it - awesome! If not, expect me to have it up by tomorrow night.

**Thor665**

The above edit was to fix bad quote tags.

**Arheiner**

Mine will be up in a couple of days, that's when I'll have time to read the entire thread and make notes to see what I think.

**Fifty**

((ooc How did Arheiner make that post in 1970?))

Anyway, I am waiting to see a bit more posted before I say a lot more. I know who/what I will be voting for if no-one says anything between now and the deadline.

**Thor665**

Day 1 Lynch wrote:1- Fifty...................(Arheiner)
5- Vulkan_Hestan....(Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore, Lord Loss, Thor, Brother Stynier)
4- Drk_Oblit............(Fifty, Shas'O)

Day 2 Lynch wrote:4- Drk_Oblit............(Ferret, ShasO, BishopGore, Stynier, Thor, DDRE)
4- Shas O'vera........(Fifty, Lord Loss, DarkO)
0- Ferret

Day 3 Vote Count wrote:1- Thor ..................(Brother Stynier)
3- Ferret.................(Thor, Fifty, DDRE, Bishop Gore, ferrett)

The numbers are off because Gornall doesn't repost the vote count at lynch, so I was adding in the correct names. I also included everyone who had a vote at the time of the lynch and also made sure to include the info from the person who was lynched the next day as well just to see what connections were there.

The regular lynchers
Dark_O, DDRE, Not_U, BishopGore, Lord Loss, Thor, Brother Stynier
Ferret, ShasO, BishopGore, Stynier, Thor, DDRE
Thor, Fifty, DDRE, Bishop Gore, ferrett

Were the people who cast all the lynch votes. I'll now take out everyone who's dead;

DDRE, BishopGore, Thor
ShasO, BishopGore, Thor, DDRE
Thor, Fifty, DDRE, Bishop Gore (ferret denied us a name here)

I'll rule out myself (the rest of you can feel free not to, but I don't feel like trying to make a faux case on myself) that leaves us Bishop Gore and DDRE as in on every single lynch. Since, generally speaking, scum will be present on a wagon if it's not a scum wagon that is immediately popping the both of them up higher on my scumlist. I generally feel scum tend to prefer to be near the center of the votes (being the first and the last gets you noticed more but that might be too high end of a tactic to expect with relatively newer players. I've been expressing doubts on DDRE for a while now, so seeing his name pop up like this is reassuring. I've had Bishop Gore relatively cleared in my head for a while, so I'm less certain what to think about him showing up. shas'o probably also deserves mention since he never voted yesterday so he's denying us some evidence to use on him.

I think I'll put DDRE and Bishop Gore as my top suspects currently. I'm going to reread some more to see if I can get a clearer picture. I know I cleared DDRE after Drk_O was lynched and I need to see if I still think he looks scummy separate from Drk_O. Also, Bishop Gore needs a reread from me as well since I've been feeling him as town all this time and now I need to remind myself why.

**Thor665**

@Gornall - shas'o's last post was on the 5th, please prod him.

**shas'o vera**

hmm? oh im sorry, i was sleeping in the corner, cant a guy get a rest?

**Thor665**

I wish prod requests had been so useful yesterday.

@shas - thoughts? Are you having them? Please share.

**shas'o vera**

thoughts? i dont have thoughts, i have feelings, and to be honest, my mind is stuck between juggling exams and this.

**Thor665**

*sigh8 Okay, then feelings could you please share your feelings about the other players. Whom do you suspect, whom do you clear (maybe if you feel wild and crazy toss in a reason or two why)

Please don't be obtuse about this - if you have time to post you ought to have time to at least point a finger and say 'Bob is suspicious because he voted Ed like he did' or something like that.