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So, who got the switch?

Here are all of my Night Phase messages to Gornall...

Fifty wrote:In my first night phase, I do not wish to kill anyone.

I haven't got many ideas yet about who the 'stealers are. I want to get rid of a few townies and make things clearer, maybe then I will start using my night-kills. Or maybe I won't! Let them think there is no NLA. Mwuahahaha!

I voted Dark_O, but that was purely because he is a better bet than most others due to being crazy, not because I think he is much more likely. If I was forced to pick a 'stealer, it would be Shas, I think.

Fifty wrote:Once again, I think I will pass on taking any Night Phase actions. I do nto want to alert either townies or 'stealers to the existence of an NLA yet. I am planning, at the moment, to wait until we get down to 4 or 5 players and then start offing folks.
I just have to hope that in the meantime the 'stealers do not target me, which, unfortunately, I think is a very real risk, as I have been very active. If Shas is a stealer, I am probably in trouble, but, truth be told, I think he is just not very good, and see him as a good lynch to thin out the numbers of townies before the end! Losing a 'stealer this early would probably be bad for me.

Fifty wrote:After much deliberation, I have once again decided not to kill anyone in this night phase.

Although there is the very real risk that Stealers may kill me this night phase, as well as the risk I may get lynched tomorrow, I think I will save my first murder for the next phase. If I night kill someone now and I did not get a 'stealer, it could be disastrous as there would be very little tme left to find both stealers, and few to help do so. I would also be exposing myself and revealing the existence of an NLA.

Right now, I have to hope town + me can find a stealer in the next day phase. I also have to hope I do not get lynched tomorrow. I don't think I look too scummy, but with two 'stealers who may try to pin it on me, they won't need to sway many people to vote for me.

I still do not have many ideas who the 'stealers may be. As we go along, I think Thor looks more likely. I'd have thought 'stealers would have killed him by now. If he does not get killed tonight, I will kill him tomorrow for sure, if I do not get lynched. He is either a 'stealer or a competent townie, and either way, I need him dead. I think the Lord Loss death could easily be a Thor murder.

If Thor is a 'stealer, I think Bishop Gore is his buddy.

... a couple of posts about win-loss mechanics, but nothing interesting, so I won't bother posting...

Fifty wrote:Sorry, but there is no-one else to point this out to...

I am top of Thor's town list, and yet he regards me as a poorly played NLA. Hehehehe!!

Do you know why he says that? I assume it is considered unwise to not night-kill as an NLA, but I do not see how it is to my advantage to do so from the beginning. Doing so immediately would have just sent people looking for me. Maybe last night I should have killed, but even if I had, it would just have left me in a very similar situation to what I am in anyway.

Is there some strategy out there I should have read to know what I was doing?

Anyway, just making idle chit-chat.

Fifty wrote:I would like to night-kill Bishop Gore.

He has gone by with relatively little attention through this game, and I have a feeling he is a good target, based on his voting record and his posts over the last week or so. Suddenly targetting Thor makes him seem suspect. I hope I am right, 'cos if I do not hit a 'stealer, then 'stealers win.

If he is a stealer, I will still not be otally sure who his partner is. I don't think Thor is a 'stealer, but if he is, I think he will get rid of me tonight. He has known I do not suspect him, so would not have targetted me until tonight, but at this stage, I think he would take me out.

I bet it comes as a hell of a big surprise when two people die tonight...

(Unless, of course, BG is town, and he gets killed by the stealers as well as myself. If BG is not a 'stealer, I am banking on DDRE being one. I would not be surprised if they are the team.)

I don't think Shas'o is a stealer anymore, but I will be well cheesed off if it turns out he is! For one thing, if I had been able to expose a 'stealer early game, I'd have guaranteed having the town trust me, and had it easier to pull of an NLA win!! I think Arheiner is just a bored townie, but he could be the inactive half of a 'stealer team.

Damnit, I should have followed my own advice from the Third Night Phase and killed Thor in the 4th phase. I never actually felt sure he was a 'stealer though, just a small chance of being a 'stealer and definitely a townie who needed to die. Mind you, I would still have been dead, so it would not have mattered.

Ah well, I came close.

Btw, I made a VERY real effort to think throughout the game as if I was a townie, and really align myself with them until the last possible moment (except, I admit, when I was trying to get Shas lynched. I only though he was a 'stealer for a little while, then just decided to get rid of a townie, figuring town were sure to find a 'stealer soon). I figured my best chance of winning was to wreck it at the last minute for the town as they came close to a win, rather than steal it from the 'stealers as they came close to a victory.

Unfortunately, town incompetence, myself included, meant that I had to alter my position to try and steal the win from the 'stealers, and that was always going to be more difficult.

I think Arheiner's inactivity, and Shas's flitting in and out of the game was a major detriment to our chances. Arheiner was reasonably active in the game he joined part way through, and it sounds like he was very active in the game running concurrently with this one. Although, numerically, it would have harmed town's chances, I'd have liked to have seen Arheiner mod-killed for his inactivity. That was not just posturing during the game to try and gain an advantage, it was a genuine real-life preference for playing with/against players who are interested. I would urge anyone and everyone to only play in one game at a time if they can only maintain interest in one at a time. I had a few very short phases where I did not post for a bit, but even the longest was only a few days, and that was exacerbated by a night phase.

Shas'o obviously was just genuinely inexperienced, but, ironically, would have been much more use to us if he had followed some of Thor's advice more often.

DDRE should probably have been further up my suspect list than he was, as he was a bit too quiet. He and Bishop Gore were in the same slot in my brain, and I probably reacted wrongly when Bishop Gore came out against Thor. Why would he do so as late as he did if he were a 'stealer? He could have just lynched him any time. DDRE's silence towards Thor was, with the benefit of hindsight, more suspicious than BG's attacks. I overcomplicated things in my own mind by thinking that BG and Thor could have cooked up a little scam to make one look more innocent by lynching the other.

Yeah... I am kind of glad this didn't drag on for another night. I made the mistake of trying to play in 2 games at once and it meant I had to choose a game to get into, I chose the other game. By the time that one ended I didn't have a clue what was going on here and just decided to flail blindly.

I apologise to the other townies who died on the run up to the end, I feel I should have made myself a target and died sooner so that someone else could have stayed alive.

Hats off to Thor and DDRE. Thors constant aiming at DDRE after so many incorrect guesses made everyone assume there couldn't be a link there. Well played guys

Interesting game to watch was that. I knew Thor was a stealer by about day 3, for the simple reason he wasn't dead yet. Any competent stealer would kill him off first night if he wasn't a stealer himself. He was also cleverly leading the group into lynching innocents, and using that as a reason he wasn't being killed by the stealers. In my mind, that excuse didn't really hold water.

As for who his partner was, I completely thought it was fifty tbh. I certainately wouldn't have put him as being a NLA. I barely suspected DDRE at all.

Overall, I think the game was well played all round, apart from a few slip ups here and there.

Anyway, who's running the next one and when? I'd quite like to sign up.

huh, the second genestealer game and i managed to survive to the end.

I really thought Fifty had a good chance of pulling off a win or a tie. My only knock on his play is that he should never have voted for the "No Lynch". He should have really focused on getting a lynch to make his night kill more likely to land on a stealer. However, with two of the remaining townies being super quiet, he was kinda hosed.

Speaking of quiet townies. I am not happy with the number of people who signed up for the game and didn't follow through. The game doesn't work with so many people not checking in and making statements, so if you're not going to actually play, I would ask that you don't sign up so everyone else can still have fun.

Two questions:

@ Lord_Loss: Can you explain if you read this why you didn't protect Not_u first night? Anyone with the balls to declare themselves inquisitor first post deserves to be protected, Stealer or no.

@ Thor/Deff Dredd Red Edition: Which one of you was promoted to stealer mode? Not that it matters much, I'm just interested as to how you reacted to a sudden role-switch.

I've just realised the game is over.

I didn't protect N0t_u because I didn't believe he was an Inqusitior. Errr I actually protected Thor Night 1,2.

I started to get suspicous about how he hadn't been night killed and was going to give it a few (ingame) days before I posted about it. I havn't actually read the thread since I died (I'm lazy like that)

I also though that Thor was more valuable to the town then N0t_u (No offense) If he was night killed, I don't think It would have been good for the town and our stealer hunting. I thought my decision was right, shame Thor was like a Stealer though.

I'm also going to say that I found out I was a Doctor only when Gornall PMed me asking why I hadn't PMed him my decision. For some reason the Role PM didn't get through...

Dastardly Dave wrote:Interesting game to watch was that. I knew Thor was a stealer by about day 3, for the simple reason he wasn't dead yet. Any competent stealer would kill him off first night if he wasn't a stealer himself. He was also cleverly leading the group into lynching innocents, and using that as a reason he wasn't being killed by the stealers. In my mind, that excuse didn't really hold water.

Honestly I thought it did. If I'm scum and there's a very pro town guy who everyone trusts and he thinks I'm town - I'm not killing that guy at night. Please reference Brother Stynier, I let him live as long as he was singing my praises pretty much. I did the same for Fifty, the only reason he lived so long was because he was always talking about me in a pro town manner and seemed easy to get onto the lynches I supported. The first night was decided for the stealers - we had to kill N0t_u, he was the Inquisitor - I was happy about that because it was an automatic night where there was no suspicion in me not being NKed.

shas'o vera wrote:huh, the second genestealer game and i managed to survive to the end.

I will toss a bit of water on your joy - the Genestealers never tried to kill you because we were certain you weren't going to accurately spot either of us, and even if you did we doubted you'd get any support from the rest of town.

Dastardly Dave wrote:@ Thor/Deff Dredd Red Edition: Which one of you was promoted to stealer mode? Not that it matters much, I'm just interested as to how you reacted to a sudden role-switch.

DDRE was the replacement stealer - I was scum from the very beginning.

I will note that I told Gornall I was worried the replacing Stealer was going to hurt town, but in retrospect with both a Psyker and Inquisitor on the town side and no role block power for the Stealers I think it was more balanced then I had first thought.

Lord-Loss wrote:I've just realised the game is over.

I didn't protect N0t_u because I didn't believe he was an Inqusitior. Errr I actually protected Thor Night 1,2.

Awesome.

I will apologize for the harshness I was tossing at the "stupid" Psyker role. This was actually because when we didn't have a roleblocker and n0t_u declared Inquisitor I was planning to set myself up as the Psyker - so all my moaning and grumping about a "stupid" Psyker was going to be used later when I would claim that I'd protected some other pr town player because I was trying to outguess the Genestealers.

Dastardly Dave wrote:Anyway, who's running the next one and when? I'd quite like to sign up.

Not_U is running the next, his sign up thread is already up and running. He's got the 12 he wanted, now he's looking for more, he has quite a massive project idea in mind.

Gornall wrote:I really thought Fifty had a good chance of pulling off a win or a tie. My only knock on his play is that he should never have voted for the "No Lynch". He should have really focused on getting a lynch to make his night kill more likely to land on a stealer. However, with two of the remaining townies being super quiet, he was kinda hosed.

Speaking of quiet townies. I am not happy with the number of people who signed up for the game and didn't follow through. The game doesn't work with so many people not checking in and making statements, so if you're not going to actually play, I would ask that you don't sign up so everyone else can still have fun.

Speaking for myself, I am very sorry about that Gornall. I know I would have enjoyed this more if the other game hadn't been going on. I have learnt my lesson though and hope next time you'll let me join in again, this time with a more active and hopefully insightful mode of play

Thor665 wrote:Well I know you were getting suspicious Stynier - that's why we killed you deader then a doorknob before you could pollute the town with all your evil mumbo jumbo.

I'm actually surprised Fifty was a NLA - I didn't see that coming. The hiding trick was ballsy, shame it didn't pay off better for him.

I wasn't sure how to go about convincing them that you were one of the stealers, other than saying he's controlling everything don't trust him. Well played though.

Are we starting up a new game?

n0y_u's got a signup going.

I'm going to be out of town mid July and all of August so I'm ducking that one. When I get back I plan to run one themed on the Battle of Prospero with a lot of different/new roles.

That would be interesting to see Thor. If I am able to, consider me signed up to that one

Didn't see Lord-Loss as the psyker, but then again I didn't really see anything in this game

I did manage to investigate someone at the time, don't remember who just they were innocent.

Sign me up for that also, please.

Thor665 wrote:n0y_u's got a signup going.

I'm going to be out of town mid July and all of August so I'm ducking that one. When I get back I plan to run one themed on the Battle of Prospero with a lot of different/new roles.

Yeah sign me up for that please.


So I'll go hunt down n0t_u's thread.

BTW... what'd everyone think of the "setting" and story posts?

I was just reading the entire thread to see what I was in for in the next one, and I think they were fine.

I thought the story was good. Reminded me of Bioshock at first, but then became unique. Reminding me of Bioshock is a good thing though

Also if you haven't found it yet this is my thread.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295599.page#1585049

It reminded me of one of the earliest Devlin Waugh stories from 2000AD.

I liked the setting, and the pun in the name was full of win.

Thor665 wrote:I liked the setting, and the pun in the name was full of win.

To give credit where it's due, the name was Manchu's idea.

In that case I hate the name

bastard!