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Abomination!

Im going to throw my two penny in here.

I will be frank....GW plastic Daemon Prince looked a DON'T SWEAR ON DAKKA ! TA. joke honestly the molds looked utterly slowed the sculpt looked also very rushed like it was done over a Pint and Pizza on painting night.

I for one applaud the young or old chap that dropped that gawd awful mould it will now allow them to go back drop off the sugar and think properly about it.

Because as products went those previews looked like a offering at a special needs art class.

GW sort it out!

ITT: hyperbole

Hmmmm Paradox??

Daemons would not have sold as well as other armies as it is 90% metal. So you know people that can afford SOB, GK's and Krieg.

Also they do not seem to do "awesome"

With the news of Warhammer 8th edition coming soon, rumors are starting to circulate that GW is going to be much more aggressive with the army books and that Daemons of Chaos are one of the first out of the pipe.

In the spanish newsletter GW stated that the armybooks will be reprinted in waves, with everything in inches, erratas from spanish and english fixed and updated for the 8th Ed. In the other hand, they said they will be giving free-pdfs to use the actual army books. The weird thing is, they say before everything I've stated, that the new AB will contain the same info. Same info but updated? free-pdfs? WTF!!

Back on topic... The first wave of reprinted armybook will be Empire, Skaven, High Elves, Beastmen and Chaos Demons. That states the spanish GW newsletter. Nothing about the forgotten 5 armys.

I would wager that GW realized there was a problem with daemons in fantasy and held back second wave releases to be included with the rumored update above.

Out of Context Quote is out of Context.

Spain is getting reprinted books and free pdfs because they are converting from Metric to Inches.

Hence why it was only in the Spanish newsletter, the English editions are not getting new prints.

Platuan4th wrote:

physcosamatic wrote:no they want to preserve the wargammers because they are wargaming terrorists

Or perhaps they stole it because they some of the few(like me) who liked the model?

Thank you.
It makes me feel better that I'm not the only one who liked it.

Eric

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I worked around injection molds for 12 years.

And not only did I never drop one, one was never dropped at all.

This whole 'dropped mold' thing that pops up now and again?

I don't know...

Maybe the dropped bit is wrong but 'damaged' is correct. Do new molds ever fail? Do they ever crack the first time they're used or turn out to be unusable? I really don't know.

New molds failing is again something that is so rare as to be almost unheard of.

Most molds are tested at the mold manufacturer before shipping out.

Phryxis wrote:I was under the impression that a styrene injection mold was made from steel... Is that not the case?

No, that is definitely the case.

Now, it is easy, I suppose, to damage a mold, but again, most molding machines have some fairly decent built in protection against this too.

Nothing to say that it couldn't happen in handling the mold, I suppose.

Maybe the mold was baldly designed and the plastic wouldn't fill all the sprue. This is unlikely I think, because the fancy sculpting software they use, would sort that stuff out beforehand. And they use 3D printers to test new sprues before the actual mold is made I understand.

Molds do wear out, but they kept the original Rhino in production for 83 years, so that isn't an excuse either.

Blackadder wrote:Maybe the mold was baldly designed and the plastic wouldn't fill all the sprue. This is unlikely I think, because the fancy sculpting software they use, would sort that stuff out beforehand. And they use 3D printers to test new sprues before the actual mold is made I understand.

Molds do wear out, but they kept the original Rhino in production for 83 years, so that isn't an excuse either.

Hyperbole is the best idea ever!

One thing to remember is that DoC might not have been a super popular army in 40k, but it was quite heavily played in Fantasy.

That said, from what I recall, the entire fantasy sales doesn't match Spess Mahrines.

That Nurgle Prince special order is a better sculpt then that headless wonder. If they really want an Idea they would go the route of the old demon prince kits, where they would have a choice of different bits that could mix and match on a model roughly the size of the plastic dread.

That story about the broken mold is bogus. More then likely, they just didn't make mission and that demon is sitting on someones desk, waiting for an upcoming special event that would justify putting it out. It is a rather uninspiring cast, considering GW's track record for demons.

As far as the Demon Army for 40k is concerned, they wouldn't hurt that army to give it a couple of options. chaos minions, such as troops like some cultists, mutants, or even options for CSM platoons.

I really don't tihnk they'd make a mold and then not use it. It's certainly possible, but as I understand it, the huge majority of the cost of making styrene models is the mold itself. Actually filling it with styrene is pretty cheap...

So, unless they decided the model was so terrible that selling it would damage their IP, they'd sell the kit.

And, quite frankly, I don't think it's that bad of a kit.

If it was that bad in the opinion of GW, then they wouldn't have spent the money on the mold. It's not like you send something out to have a styrene mold made of it on a whim.

Most Likely is problems with the injection moulding process and quality control issues. The chances of a giant mold being damaged and it not being insured is zero (read none at all)...but that is speculative based on a manafacturing point of view....

Insurance =/= magic. If we take the dropped/faulty mold story seriously... even if it was insured and they got the money to remake it, they still have to go through the process of remaking it.

JOHIRA wrote:What would you get if you took Razorgor eyes and put them on a Daemon Prince head that was itself mounted on a minotaur's body? And then gave it Nagash's hat?

Wow. That's so horrible it rolls around to awesome again.

Wow.

Oh dear... Nagash... someone tell me why that mould wasn't 'accidentaly' broken years ago.

But anyhoo... back on topic I think it is very possible that this rumor is true and something did happen to the plastic demon prince mould, and maybe they figured 'oh well.. costs a lot to make another one, but why bother, we already have metal demon princes and we can sell them for more'. Or something along those lines.

Nice work Aduro.

I kind of liked the idea of a plastic demon prince from a converting point f view. it would be nice to see as bigger variety of 40k demon princes roaming around.

i was thinking of using bits of it with the torso from a soulgrinder to ake soemthing nasty....maybe a demon primarch model.

Alpharius wrote:I worked around injection molds for 12 years.

And not only did I never drop one, one was never dropped at all.

This whole 'dropped mold' thing that pops up now and again?

I don't know...

Huh? GW would *never* like to us. GW lost the Epic molds and had to have them recut for Epic Armageddon. Unfortunately, the molds wore out after only a year of use.

Tim the Biovore wrote:You can even see a hand from the kit on Wade Pryce's Angron in his World Eaters army, which was featured in WD last year.

*Takes out last April's WD.* Errr... no. Or at least I don't see it.

I assume he means the left hand : http://grandmasterwade.webs.com/angron.htm

Meanwhile, from the Youtube teaser...see next to the Dragon Ogres and the Beasts of Nurgle

. It is coming out AFAIK, hang on in there.

LordBoJangles wrote:I have heard a terrible rumor about the plastic daemon prince model.

I have heard that the master mold of said model was broken during transportation and the model will not be released for quite some time(many many years), if ever.

Well maybe delayed for a short time but not the exaggeration you heard I am sure.

GW own their own molding manufacturing facility. They no longer go out of house to do their molds.

Also, gone are the days of hand making a master prior to molding, as its all CAD process now.

They break a mold? They make a new one in (fairly) short order.

For this reason I do not buy it as the reason it is delayed. Many other reasons are likely, but I find the breaking of a mold to be unlikely reason why it is not released yet. I find it far more likely the beancounters sticking their nose into the manufacturing end and delaying it.

It would be nice, as are all new models, but to be honest if you have a boner for converting demon princes you can pull bits from pretty much anywhere and just splat them together into some horrible concoction and as long as it's about the right size and on the right base, most folks would just say "hey that's cool" when you introduce your DP. I dunno if it even needs a kit when it is so unique in the first place... take some Swooping exarch wings, some genestealer arms, a big CSM head, etc etc... demon prince from bits. Rip apart some balrog wings from LoTR, or maybe some vespids, chop up a plastic WFB horse and turn it into a centaur looking thing... etc etc

Thanks reds8n, that was what I meant. And looking at the wip, he made no effort to hide the fact it is plastic.

Makes complete sense to release with new edition. Pretty sure on this one.

What Hellfury said.

I was chatting with a highup guy from design, most everything is in house now, which allows them to push the envelope further to get more out of the frames and moulds then they used to and faster then they used to as well.

To quote, he is seeing stuff now in development which wont be out for 2 years and make the current stuff look rough as bugger. As example, the new skaven, so much better and finer moulding then the last iteration, the stuff in the pipe is even better again!

If they did bust a mould, its nearly all CNC these days, they could cut another in no time, my guess is something either went wrong with the mould, or they decided they could do more with it.

I like the latter, afterall its a bit 'generic'.