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Why would they worship khorne? they have all the fighting, beer and fun they want!
And yes i don't really like the way the wolves have gone ether the werewolves of Russ have lost their way..... I still maintain the vikings they were meant to be.

its a grimdark future for 40k i tell you

Azezel wrote:I'd be pretty sure they worship Khorne now.

Make it Nurgle and we've got a deal.

Laughing God wrote:O yes my friend the hypocrasy of it is insane. The mutant and psyker thing aside, they are closer to renegades than any other chapter and GW includes nothing of the inquisition bugging them! While my legion (black Templar) are in constant conflit with the =I= and we are possible the most devout, zealous, and loyal, chapter there is!

I want to punch GW's CO in his childrens faces for thinking that space werewolves and vampires were a good idea riding the twilight franchise, and then giving them OP codexes to boot just to sell out the the lil sparklepire fanboys. If you just started space wolves or bloodangels with the new codex releases you should really look urselves in the mirror and start asking some questions. lol

I looked in the mirror and didn't like what I saw.
So what's new.

I chose SW's around the time of the release of the codex but hands on both hearts I honestly didn't pick them cos of cheesey flavour of the month.
It was mostly the being closer to renegade stuff and the fact that orthodox marine players want to do the Lupus exterminatus thing

Hey KK you are so psychic!

I'm a teetotal pacifist playing SW's!
That is spooky!

How rubbish are those Biker's bikes if they couldn't catch a guy on a bulldozer!
or was it a very fast bulldozer?

There was according to the link a 5km line of cars behind the bulldozer, so no it wasn't fast.

Not even hells angels wanna take on a puppy thrower.

Its just the next level of badass. haha.

Does kitten tossing count as badass?
Actually scratch that, it just sounds wrong.

This is why I picked SWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIwLWNEZtbc

Radikus wrote:This is why I picked SWs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIwLWNEZtbc

this is why I used to play SW, now its more this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VS9GUJTQjU

Well to be honest, its not like werewolves completely dominate the fluff. The 13th company is missing, I think in the Eye of Terror, and if I remember correctly, MotW is actually just some kind of feral tendancy that is a result of a SW not becoming a full Wulfen.

Read the Space Wolf novels, they explain it pretty well.

By the way, whats up with the thread name? You losing sleep over this?

If I recall correctly the Space Wolves have always had the Wulfen and Rune Priests, and the Rune Priests did use psychic powers, not many I know but they had them. I also think the Mark of the Wulfen existed in the 3rd edition rule book as something you could take from the wargear section so really I'm not seeing your over all issue.

Melissia wrote:

Azezel wrote:There is no in-universe reason why they haven't been exterminated by the Ordo Heresius

Well, aside from the Ordo Heresius not existing and all.

And THAT'S just exactly what they want you to think! Fight the system, brah!

BrotherStynier wrote:If I recall correctly the Space Wolves have always had the Wulfen and Rune Priests, and the Rune Priests did use psychic powers, not many I know but they had them. I also think the Mark of the Wulfen existed in the 3rd edition rule book as something you could take from the wargear section so really I'm not seeing your over all issue.

Becuase beforehand the wolfshagging and mindfeths were only alluded before, where now it's staring you in the face. Ew.

well said Emperors Faithful, basically I miss the days when space wolves (and blood angels, but we won't get into that here) weren't all in your face about it.

Brother Heinrich wrote:being a former space wolf myself (first army in 1998) I am ashamed to say I once called myself a son of Russ. the sheer hypocrasy of the new codex floors me, how can they justify the space wolves casting down the thousdand sons for being mutants and psykers, when they themselves now have some of the most powerful pychic powers/units in the game and are forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters in power armor. what happened to wulfen being outcasts and frowned upon, what happened to the superstition and mistrust of magic, why have the space vikings turned into space werewolves?!

1. You fail at fluff. The Space Wolves didn't attack the Thousand Sons for "being mutants and psykers". They attacked the Thousand Sons because the Emperor said to. Good ole Magnus was getting into the Dark stuff, and was basically a Chaos flunky before he fled. Trouble was, he didn't even know it, even if he was right about Horus. Basically, I blame this one on the Emperor playing favorites with Horus.

2. They're not "forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters". Logan Grimnar has been leading the Space Wolves for, what, 500 years? The only thing that really separates him from any other chapter master at this point is longer fangs (good ole Canis Helix) and the manliness to grow a beard.

3. Traitors to the Imperium? The Space Wolves are one of, if not the most beloved chapter of Space Marines. The people love them because they do one thing that other Space Marines fail at: they actually care about the people they're protecting, not just the act of protecting them. Grimnar's hatred for the Administratum stems from the Administratum basically turning its heroes (I.e., the IG brave enough to fight off one of the largest demonic incursions the Imperium has ever faced) into slaves, all to cover its own ass. Any other chapter would just shrug, mumble something about "sucks bro, but orders..." and leave.

4. Wulfen being outcasts? Bran Redmaw is one of the Wolf Lords. For several codex editions now, his entire Company has been associated with the Mark of the Wulfen. They're hardly "frowned upon outcasts", as you put it.

5. Mistrust of magic? What exactly do Space Wolves do that is magic? (Hint: Psychic powers aren't magic.)


I've been playing Space Wolves since before Bjorn was a special character the first time. While the editions have brought some interesting changes and new units, overall the feel isn't all that off. This last codex definitely put extra stress on the "Wolves" portion of Space Wolves, but we still have our young berserkers, we still have our grizzled warriors, we still have our warrior thanes and we still have the overall feel of being a Space Viking.


That and we still kick ass.

I sleep on a big pile of stuff I've won since the codex came out. It can get a little pointy but man....so worth it!

Well the Space Wolves haven't been exterminated/declared traitor because they still fight for the Imperium and do a damn good (albeit unconventional) job of it! It's better to have them as an ally rather than an enemy, and frankly, the Imperium has enough enemies as it is.

I have to admit, I still like the Space Wolves, I work by the core of their fluff rather than the spangly details and frills Games Workshop adds on to help them sell better. Just because the MotW is readily available doesn't mean it's actually like that within the actual (fictional) chapter itself. I mean, fluff to rules doesn't exactly work in it's entirety; Space Marines can ordinarily take multiple wounds and spit acid, but they can't in game.

I also dislike the over-powered and OTT nature of the Rune Priests rules, however, I'll stick to the weaker and more believable (ie. Thunderclap) powers to make it more realistic (although, once again, fictional). The codex doesn't say anywhere that Psykers are all over the chapter like a cheap coat, it just gives you the ability to take multiple (highly powerful) Rune Priests, nor does it state that they are the uber-powerful psykers in 40K, it's just how the rules are transferred.

I'm not defending the new Codex in it's entirety, however I feel the rules are a largely good representation of the chapter (although often over-powered). However I'd recommend looking past the stupid frills added into them codex (ie. Lukas the prickster) and remaining with the core of the background. It's easy to see what is the Space Wolves itself and what is added to help it sell.

1. You fail at fluff. The Space Wolves didn't attack the Thousand Sons for "being mutants and psykers". They attacked the Thousand Sons because the Emperor said to. Good ole Magnus was getting into the Dark stuff, and was basically a Chaos flunky before he fled. Trouble was, he didn't even know it, even if he was right about Horus. Basically, I blame this one on the Emperor playing favorites with Horus.

No fan boy, you fail at fluff. Read Thousand sons, the wolves condemned and were chomping at the bit to slay the thousand sons way before the emperor took note of their heresies. But the best part is they labeled the Thousand sons traitors for witchcraft (like runepriests don’t use the warp for their powers too?!) and mutation (WTF is a WULFEN?! a mutant werewolf far more deadly than the spawn the thousand sons turned into)

2. They're not "forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters". Logan Grimnar has been leading the Space Wolves for, what, 500 years? The only thing that really separates him from any other chapter master at this point is longer fangs (good ole Canis Helix) and the manliness to grow a beard.

Logan Grimnar is an example of how cool the spacewolves USED to be. Perfect mix of manly Viking and wolf worship.

3. Traitors to the Imperium? The Space Wolves are one of, if not the most beloved chapter of Space Marines. The people love them because they do one thing that other Space Marines fail at: they actually care about the people they're protecting, not just the act of protecting them. Grimnar's hatred for the Administratum stems from the Administratum basically turning its heroes (I.e., the IG brave enough to fight off one of the largest demonic incursions the Imperium has ever faced) into slaves, all to cover its own ass. Any other chapter would just shrug, mumble something about "sucks bro, but orders..." and leave.

The space wolves are notorious for leaving nothing but ruins and dead bodies in the wake of any they call foe. Man, woman, child it didnt matter the dogs feriocity killed them all. There are perfect examples of this in tales of heresy and thousand sons. Not to mention there blatant disregard for the codex astares and the imperial creed. If ANYONE else but the SW did this it would be sure extermiatus and SM chapters would be petitioned to hunt them down. But like many have said they make better allies in there drunken blood thirst than foes.

4. Wulfen being outcasts? Bran Redmaw is one of the Wolf Lords. For several codex editions now, his entire Company has been associated with the Mark of the Wulfen. They're hardly "frowned upon outcasts", as you put it.

Wulfen are bloodthirsty mutants, read legends of the space marines. Even the SW's dont like to bring them up. They are nothing but GW's play on selling more space pups riding the werewolf craze.

5. Mistrust of magic? What exactly do Space Wolves do that is magic? (Hint: Psychic powers aren't magic.)

This is some convoluted fan boy logic if i ever heard it. Magic and psychic powers are powered by the warps ability to change reality in the 40k universe. Efso facto: Rune priests, Librarians, Sorcerers, all draw there power from the same damn place.

I've been playing Space Wolves since before Bjorn was a special character the first time. While the editions have brought some interesting changes and new units, overall the feel isn't all that off. This last codex definitely put extra stress on the "Wolves" portion of Space Wolves, but we still have our young berserkers, we still have our grizzled warriors, we still have our warrior thanes and we still have the overall feel of being a Space Viking.

I don’t have a problem with the space wolves BEFORE this codex. Time and time again we have shown that the SW's have just been sold out by GW to ride the Wolfy wolf train to become space werewolves rather than honorable drunken space Vikings they once were. And that’s just the fluff, the rules themselves are completely ridiculous. Handing out MotW, insane psychic powers, and 16point CSM with counter attack like welfare checks to liberals.

Brother Heinrich wrote:How can you sleep at night space wolves!?!

Soundly on huge piles of tournament trophies with many beautiful sisters repentia!

(Compared to what happened to Chaos the Space Wolves and Blood Angels are right in line with the fluff. No demons in the Chaos space marine armies? Possessed marines unplayable? Lost and the damned completely canceled? Demon's an army by themselves? Mixing Chaos cult troops in the same army? No rivalry among chaos factions? No demon cavalry? No cult demons in renegade marine armies? No armies (rules) for (non space marine) chaos rebels in the entire 40k game right now?)

Red and Baby Blue marines are fine.

Laughing God wrote:The space wolves are notorious for leaving nothing but ruins and dead bodies in the wake of any they call foe.

Care to back up that statement?

Also, Black Library isn't Canon.

Gwar! wrote:

Laughing God wrote:The space wolves are notorious for leaving nothing but ruins and dead bodies in the wake of any they call foe.

Care to back up that statement?

Also, Black Library isn't Canon.

This argument isnt worth my time to look up 40k referances in books but if you read Legends of the space marines, Tales of heresy, and thousand sons, you'll see what I mean.

And your right its not cannon but the codex is and the SW codex proves my point of SW selling out more than any black library book.

And with that I'm all ranted out. Whooo thanks everyone and you GW!

Laughing God wrote:This argument isnt worth my time to look up 40k referances in books but if you read Legends of the space marines, Tales of heresy, and thousand sons, you'll see what I mean.

Wow, nice one.

You slander the SW name, then when asked to back up your claims, you refuse.

Welcome to my Ignore list. You should feel honoured.

Laughing God wrote:And your right its not cannon but the codex is and the SW codex proves my point of SW selling out more than any black library book.

well said brother.

Ummm, I'd expect a codex to outsell Black Library Books as the Codex is compulsory.

Still, no criticisms to my earlier point? No? Good.

Im just saying me taking time out of my day to pan though 40k books and picking out perticular quotes is a huge waste of my time and I pity you if you have the will and time for it.

And trust me I wont lose any sleep over being on ur ignore list or a tabletop wargame. lol

I'm sorry if I offended anyone but denouncing the army they play I'm just trying to make a point that I think GW went too far this time by selling out a great army, and begging a new era of codex creep...

Excellent! and now for some (WAR)HAMMERFALL in tribute to the Space Wolves!

Bloodbound!

Laughing God wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone but denouncing the army they play I'm just trying to make a point that I think GW went too far this time by selling out a great army, and begging a new era of codex creep...

I'm not saying they haven't done it to the Space Wolves, but have you seen the Blood Angels codex?! Welcome to the modern generation, it's Gak, but it's here and affecting more than the Wolves.

Just Dave wrote:

Laughing God wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone but denouncing the army they play I'm just trying to make a point that I think GW went too far this time by selling out a great army, and begging a new era of codex creep...

I'm not saying they haven't done it to the Space Wolves, but have you seen the Blood Angels codex?! Welcome to the modern generation, it's Gak, but it's here and affecting more than the Wolves.

Yeah thats a whole other issue, which we'd be best to just stay away from(jaws of the world bat anyone?). it might not be such a bad thing if GW just waited and released their codexes in phases, so everyone stayed on par with eachother, thus maintaining a balance to the game, instead of creating what essentially amounts to, "its now the era of the insert army name here!"

Brother Heinrich wrote:

Just Dave wrote:

Laughing God wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone but denouncing the army they play I'm just trying to make a point that I think GW went too far this time by selling out a great army, and begging a new era of codex creep...

I'm not saying they haven't done it to the Space Wolves, but have you seen the Blood Angels codex?! Welcome to the modern generation, it's Gak, but it's here and affecting more than the Wolves.

Yeah thats a whole other issue, which we'd be best to just stay away from(jaws of the world bat anyone?). it might not be such a bad thing if GW just waited and released their codexes in phases, so everyone stayed on par with eachother, thus maintaining a balance to the game, instead of creating what essentially amounts to, "its now the era of the insert army name here!"

I wouldn't say that's entirely a whole other issue, rather than simply directing all the hate at the Space Wolves. Admittedly, I wouldn't say Codex Creep itself is a problem, more the current design philosophy. Releasing them in groups/phases would work, but it would also mean a longer wait.

well I'd much rather wait longer than deal with the periods of frustration between releases as you have to find the cheesiest ways to use your out-dated codex just to be competitive against the newest flashy OP army, its a sad state of affairs.

So would I, but you tell that to the Dark Eldar, Necron and Inquisition players...

Personally, I like the new Codex. I see nothing in the fluff that destroys the Space Wolves as a concept. For those that remember the old 2nd edition one, Njal is back, along with Björn. In keeping with 3rd edition they still won’t use Teleport devices.
Yes, they made the Rune Priest more powerful than the old 3rd edition Rune Priest. Yes, you can field 4 of them.
Yes, they made Mark of the Wolfen more common, it used to limited to ONE per army.

First of all Space Wolves are a CHARACTER Driven Army. I am not talking about Logan and Ragnar, but the Army itself has a Character all itself. They have always been Drunken Space Vikings. 3rd Edition gave us MotW, then the 13th Company came out and gave the Drunken Werewolf Space Vikings.
So now that they took everything and mashed it together. Now you see list with 4 Rune Priest all with JotWW, Those people are not playing Space Wolves, they are playing a WAAC Marine Army and giving those of us that play Fluffy Armies a bad name.
I have over 11,000 points of Space Wolves and of that I have 5 Rune Priest and two are Njal [One in Terminator Armor and the other in Power Armor]. The one thing I have a lot of are MotW, but that is because I miss Grey Hunter have the ability to take a Special Close Combat Weapon, and by taking the MotW I did not have to change that many models.
Most of my list are One Character, usually a Wolf Lord, or Logan and One Wolf Priest per Blood Claw Pack. When I do field a Rune Priest, it is usually Njal with Logan and Björn.

-Yes, I do wish they had a 13th company option.

Note I will not apologies for the bad puns.