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being a former space wolf myself (first army in 1998) I am ashamed to say I once called myself a son of Russ. the sheer hypocrasy of the new codex floors me, how can they justify the space wolves casting down the thousdand sons for being mutants and psykers, when they themselves now have some of the most powerful pychic powers/units in the game and are forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters in power armor. what happened to wulfen being outcasts and frowned upon, what happened to the superstition and mistrust of magic, why have the space vikings turned into space werewolves?!

So they can battle the Sparkle Marines for the affections of a plank of wood.

A darkly ironic joke by the designers upon the players?

Retconning and the desire to sell a lot of special models may also be involved.

both valid answers, both offer valid premise to jump into a good old days rant as well lol

O yes my friend the hypocrasy of it is insane. The mutant and psyker thing aside, they are closer to renegades than any other chapter and GW includes nothing of the inquisition bugging them! While my legion (black Templar) are in constant conflit with the =I= and we are possible the most devout, zealous, and loyal, chapter there is!

I want to punch GW's CO in his childrens faces for thinking that space werewolves and vampires were a good idea riding the twilight franchise, and then giving them OP codexes to boot just to sell out the the lil sparklepire fanboys. If you just started space wolves or bloodangels with the new codex releases you should really look urselves in the mirror and start asking some questions. lol

Belphegor wrote:So they can battle the Sparkle Marines for the affections of a plank of wood.

You, sir, are a titan among men.

I dunno I still like my puppies. What where they like in the old book? I once saw what wolfen models where.

Also they still have the war's of Armageddon in the fluff. The Space wolves openly despise the inquisition. It just says they one day plan revenge. But nothing about what either side is doing about it now.

Well, I don't like the current fluff as much as the old, but I still like them.

I think the Space Wolves are actually very loyal to the emporer, they just don't care much for the Inquisiton or the Ecclesiary.

And they have gotten in trouble with the =I=, but no one messes with SW.

why are the space wolves planning revenge? if anyone should be planning revenge it should be the Inquisition for the seas of heresy the wolves swim in


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Snikkyd wrote:no one messes with SW.

you mean no one messes with OP codexes that eat there own logic

you mean no one messes with OP codexes that eat there own logic

That too

@Heinrich

Well what happened was a Khorne army full of Traitor Guard/Khorne Berserkers/Daemons attacked. And the Space Wolves came to help them out.

But even they were having a hard time so they sent the Grey Knights. Eventually they won. But all of the Armageddon Steel Legion Soldiers who knew about the Daemons where sterilized and sent to work camps.

The Space Wolves thought this was dildos so they want revenge. I also once heard from someone who had the old dex that Space Wolves fired at Inquisition ships that came by.

I'm pretty sure in the current dex some Church fleet tries to cleanse fenris but is beaten back easily.

Anyway I'm with you op. Well sorta except for one blip I have always hated space wolves.

But even they were having a hard time so they sent the Grey Knights. Eventually they won. But all of the Armageddon Steel Legion Soldiers who knew about the Daemons where sterilized and sent to work camps.

According the Codex at least, this was the work of the Administratum not the Inquisition. It's them, not the Inquisition the wolves dislike for the incident.

EDIT: The inquisition wanted the "taint" dealt with, but they didn't come up with the plan.

Still, since that day Grminar has held an abiding hatred for the Adepts of the Administratum, and his vows of vengeance for the heroes of Armageddon will one day be fulfullied.

It makes little difference. The point I was making is that the inquisition doesnt mind the wolves being mutants or the fact they wipe there butts with normal SM doctrine. Plus have you seen the pictures in the codex?! how can they be any siblance of human anymore? All im saying is that I think GW sold out the SW to the Vamp/werewolf crazy. They went from space vikings who venerated wolves to werewolves wearing wolf pelts who ride giant wolves while killing people with there wolfy wolf claws. lol WOLF!

Laughing God wrote:It makes little difference. The point I was making is that the inquisition doesnt mind the wolves being mutants or the fact they wipe there butts with normal SM doctrine. Plus have you seen the pictures in the codex?! how can they be any siblance of human anymore? All im saying is that I think GW sould out the SW to the Vamp/werewolf crazy. They went from space vikings who venerated wolves to werewolves wearing wolf pelts who ride giant wolves while killing people with there wolfy wolf claws. lol WOLF!

The Ecclesiarcy at the very least, already tried purge the wolves after they refused inspection. It didn't work. It's not so much that they don't mind, it's just that "dealing" with the wolves would be more trouble than it's worth. The imperium is better off with the Space Wolves as allies than enemies and they know it.

well in that case the Imperium should just go ahead and ally with the Tau and Eldar, if they're willing to except mutants and witch-kin as friends then why not xenos as well?

Here is my Reason, and to honest, I have been playing them since the old Rouge Trader 1st Edition Days.

Brother Heinrich wrote:being a former space wolf myself (first army in 1998) I am ashamed to say I once called myself a son of Russ. the sheer hypocrasy of the new codex floors me, how can they justify the space wolves casting down the thousdand sons for being mutants and psykers, when they themselves now have some of the most powerful pychic powers/units in the game and are forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters in power armor. what happened to wulfen being outcasts and frowned upon, what happened to the superstition and mistrust of magic, why have the space vikings turned into space werewolves?!

At the time of the HH it was illegal to have Psyker Space Marines. Sometime after the Emperor's near death santioning of Psykers for military application came about which includes SM librians.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:being a former space wolf myself (first army in 1998) I am ashamed to say I once called myself a son of Russ. the sheer hypocrasy of the new codex floors me, how can they justify the space wolves casting down the thousdand sons for being mutants and psykers, when they themselves now have some of the most powerful pychic powers/units in the game and are forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters in power armor. what happened to wulfen being outcasts and frowned upon, what happened to the superstition and mistrust of magic, why have the space vikings turned into space werewolves?!

At the time of the HH it was illegal to have Psyker Space Marines. Sometime after the Emperor's near death santioning of Psykers for military application came about which includes SM librians.

I know that the decision made at the council of nikaea was repealled after the HH, however the space wolves have always displayed a superstition and hatred of psykers, and yes they had librarians, just like other chapters, however they were'nt OP gods of magic, they were social pariahs shunned by the rest of the chapter

Quite well for Marines, I imagine, given how much they drink.

Brother Heinrich wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:being a former space wolf myself (first army in 1998) I am ashamed to say I once called myself a son of Russ. the sheer hypocrasy of the new codex floors me, how can they justify the space wolves casting down the thousdand sons for being mutants and psykers, when they themselves now have some of the most powerful pychic powers/units in the game and are forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters in power armor. what happened to wulfen being outcasts and frowned upon, what happened to the superstition and mistrust of magic, why have the space vikings turned into space werewolves?!

At the time of the HH it was illegal to have Psyker Space Marines. Sometime after the Emperor's near death santioning of Psykers for military application came about which includes SM librians.

I know that the decision made at the council of nikaea was repealled after the HH, however the space wolves have always displayed a superstition and hatred of psykers, and yes they had librarians, just like other chapters, however they were'nt OP gods of magic, they were social pariahs shunned by the rest of the chapter

And they still are. They just both now.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:being a former space wolf myself (first army in 1998) I am ashamed to say I once called myself a son of Russ. the sheer hypocrasy of the new codex floors me, how can they justify the space wolves casting down the thousdand sons for being mutants and psykers, when they themselves now have some of the most powerful pychic powers/units in the game and are forever on the brink of turning into slavering monsters in power armor. what happened to wulfen being outcasts and frowned upon, what happened to the superstition and mistrust of magic, why have the space vikings turned into space werewolves?!

At the time of the HH it was illegal to have Psyker Space Marines. Sometime after the Emperor's near death santioning of Psykers for military application came about which includes SM librians.

I know that the decision made at the council of nikaea was repealled after the HH, however the space wolves have always displayed a superstition and hatred of psykers, and yes they had librarians, just like other chapters, however they were'nt OP gods of magic, they were social pariahs shunned by the rest of the chapter

And they still are. They just both now.

and thus my original point, yet another reason to hate the drug dealers known as GW

Is this guy a Space Wolf?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10333211.stm

I must say it is astonishingly lucky for GW that all the various mutant SM chapters ended up with quirks and foibles that matched their names.

It could so easily have been different...

Blood Angels == Vegetarian, wear Japanese schoolgirl uniforms.
Space Wolves == Pacifist, teetotal
Iron Hands == No hands, allergic to bionic implants.
And so on.

More like arms dealers supplying an arms race.

A German student "mooned" a group of Hell's Angels and hurled a puppy at them before escaping on a stolen bulldozer

Wait what

Kilkrazy wrote:Is this guy a Space Wolf?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10333211.stm

I must say it is astonishingly lucky for GW that all the various mutant SM chapters ended up with quirks and foibles that matched their names.

It could so easily have been different...

Blood Angels == Vegetarian, wear Japanese schoolgirl uniforms.
Space Wolves == Pacifist, teetotal
Iron Hands == No hands, allergic to bionic implants.
And so on.

perhaps he was on a spirit quest

Actually, it can be explained.

The Primarchs were originally going to be 20 Copypasta superdooperdoods, but then the Three nastybad Chaos Gods used their mindlazors to try and kapewpew the primarchs which didn't work because The Empra was the bestest power in the whole world however so was able to stop them but he had forgotten to have his Shreddies that morning so couldn't stop them from being stoled so instead he psychically protected them and guided them to land on planets where they would grow up to be all awesome and special but because he didn't have any milk that day because he forgot his Cornflakes some of the Primarchs were touched by the warp and so became evil but not really.

So basically it is all down to the Samurai Pizza Cats?

The Space Wolves have always been a joke - you're just the first SW player to get it.

From what I know of the game's history, the Space Wolves' massive levels of heresy and wolf shagging are pretty new though.

There is no in-universe reason why they haven't been exterminated by the Ordo Heresius and/or any other Marine chapter in the Imperium. The reason lies soley in the fact that they have their own codex and model line.

If I were in charge (and GW could do worse) I'd make them a traitor chapter - in fact, if it weren't for all the psykers they have, I'd be pretty sure they worship Khorne now.

Azezel wrote:There is no in-universe reason why they haven't been exterminated by the Ordo Heresius

Well, aside from the Ordo Heresius not existing and all.