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I think people are forgetting one of the most important factors for Space wolves bing just average dudes.

Sure they are a little bezerk, prone to becomming wolf men, Dangerously powerful psykers and all.

But they still drunk copious amounts of pure, pure Ale. Who out there could fault them for that?

After all is said and done, a beer fixes everything.

I give them the Aussie stamp of approval

Hang on a moment!
I thought this was the grimdark!?!

Things can't be all bad if ale is swilled.
or can you only get that fizzy, cold, tasteless stuff called lager?

How do I sleep? Well, I lay down on my bed, read something (sanctioned books!) and then I roll onto my right side, facing the wall, I close my eyes and there it goes.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote: can't be all bad if ale is swilled

Oh, but it can! The second liver is so efficient at clearing out toxins, that you can drink all damn day and barely even get a buzz for the effort.

That's why you have Fenrisian Ale™, which is so powerfull that can get drunk (or kill) a normal human.

I think we may be playing into the hands of those who criticise the Wolfies as mindless drunkards!

To the OP welcome to the 5th Edition Codex I'm very sorry you don't like it I used to be a Blood Angels player in about 1990 and now I can't stand them so I know the feeling. However I have collected Space Wolves since Second Edition and yes there have been progressive changes and the current armies you now see on the table are not reminicent of the fluff from previous editions however neither are lists that include 2 Lash Deamon Princes, Eldar armies that always include Elthrad thingumydodah, Blood Angels with deep striking Landraiders, Vulkan He'stan Shrike and Lysander leading every space marine army from every chapter, Every IG army having an Iquisitor + Mystics I could go on but I've bored myself so I will probably have bored you.

The point is that one of the very best things about the new Space Wolves Codex is that you can build very competetive lists that stick to the status quo fluff. Rune Priests while very good are not mandatory, MoW is fantastic but after you've rolled a one on the D6 several games/turns in a row you rely on boots and bolters which are fail proof. We can all take a Codex (ok not DE) and build a fluffy list that is competetive and we can also take a codex and completely take the piss and build a cookie cutter internet geek list that is not particularly fun to play with unless you are WAAC but people play what makes them enjoy the game as I say sorry you don't like the direction it has taken but plenty of people do so enjoy playing you IF.

To all those quoting fluff sources like they are the minutes of the companies last AGM grow up it is a fantasy world of little toy soldiers we all have our own opinions about it and that is the joy of the hobby there is no point loosing sleep or your temper about the collected works of distinctly average writers.

Move on.

thanks for that ed Need i say, all haters just got SHUT DOWN

The events on The Wolf of Fenris show how loyal to the Empruh the Space Puppies really are.

The events on the Wolf of Fenris are Chaos Lies and propaganda!

Gwar! wrote:The events on the Wolf of Fenris are Chaos Lies and propaganda!

If it helps you sleep at night...traitor.
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RustyKnight wrote:

Gwar! wrote:The events on the Wolf of Fenris are Chaos Lies and propaganda!

If it helps you sleep at night...traitor.
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Thou shall not mention the forbidded Chaos dex for it is evil and an abomination unto Nuggan.
Or shall i remind you how far the servants of the gods have fallen?

"Let no good deed go unpunished.

Let no evil deed go unrewarded."

Compared to this the puppies should be able to sleep relatively well, despite their wolf-molesting tendencies.

Hey, you've got to admit. It's better than the Blood Angels Codex.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Hey, you've got to admit. It's better than the Blood Angels Codex.

I think we established that awhile back.

Whats worse TWC, or Sang guard?

Giant wolves, or brass nipples?

(insert Twilight joke here)

Snikkyd wrote:
Whats worse TWC, or Sang guard?

Giant wolves, or brass nipples?

(insert Twilight joke here)

That would almost be funny if it wasn't disturbingly true.

Snikkyd wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Hey, you've got to admit. It's better than the Blood Angels Codex.

I think we established that awhile back.

Whats worse TWC, or Sang guard?

Giant wolves, or brass nipples?

(insert Twilight joke here)

Well I'll take the unpopular stand here. How are assault marines in greco-roman style armor in the long established colors of the elite of the army harder to swallow than space marines riding shaggy hippos? In my opinion, TWC are fluffwise the lamest thing GW have come up with in years, possibly ever.

The only thing I'll agree to is the WTF-edness of Meph being a small MC.

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Hey, you've got to admit. It's better than the Blood Angels Codex.

I think we established that awhile back.

Whats worse TWC, or Sang guard?

Giant wolves, or brass nipples?

(insert Twilight joke here)

Well I'll take the unpopular stand here. How are assault marines in greco-roman style armor in the long established colors of the elite of the army harder to swallow than space marines riding shaggy hippos? In my opinion, TWC are fluffwise the lamest thing GW have come up with in years, possibly ever.

The only thing I'll agree to is the WTF-edness of Meph being a small MC.

agreed on both counts

Brother Heinrich wrote:

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:Hey, you've got to admit. It's better than the Blood Angels Codex.

I think we established that awhile back.

Whats worse TWC, or Sang guard?

Giant wolves, or brass nipples?

(insert Twilight joke here)

Well I'll take the unpopular stand here. How are assault marines in greco-roman style armor in the long established colors of the elite of the army harder to swallow than space marines riding shaggy hippos? In my opinion, TWC are fluffwise the lamest thing GW have come up with in years, possibly ever.

The only thing I'll agree to is the WTF-edness of Meph being a small MC.

agreed on both counts

So you mean riding giant animals to war, a thing that has been done in our world since freaking Hannibal... is more silly than Ork warp drives functioning by every Ork on the ship shouting "Ere we go, ere we go!", Imperial Guard using WW1 era technology for their tanks and Star gods that usually can destroy a world by looking at them is a pretty mediocre thing on the battlefield? Note that I enjoy the two first point there very much, I just cant see why suddenly riding animals into battle, in a sci-fantasy setting is the worst thing since non-sliced bread.

Sarapham wrote:So you mean riding giant animals to war, a thing that has been done in our world since freaking Hannibal... is more silly than Ork warp drives functioning by every Ork on the ship shouting "Ere we go, ere we go!", Imperial Guard using WW1 era technology for their tanks and Star gods that usually can destroy a world by looking at them is a pretty mediocre thing on the battlefield? Note that I enjoy the two first point there very much, I just cant see why suddenly riding animals into battle, in a sci-fantasy setting is the worst thing since non-sliced bread.

not at all, there is plenty of ridiculousness in the 40k universe, I could start a whole thread on my hatred for Orks who run on positive thinking, but this thread is about the Space Wolves and how hypocratic they've become, partially due to tabletop units/abilities, partially due to fluff inconsistencies, and all 100% due to GW trying to make money.

but this thread is about the Space Wolves and how hypocratic they've become, partially due to tabletop units/abilities, partially due to fluff inconsistencies, and all 100% due to GW trying to make money.

What!
When did the Wolfies all become doctors?
Is it cos they have laser guns they can practice surgery now?

oh you are the worst kind of person lol

Brother Heinrich wrote:not at all, there is plenty of ridiculousness in the 40k universe, I could start a whole thread on my hatred for Orks who run on positive thinking, but this thread is about the Space Wolves and how hypocratic they've become, partially due to tabletop units/abilities, partially due to fluff inconsistencies, and all 100% due to GW trying to make money.

Other than their supposed hatred for psykers (which is a ridiculous notion, when you think about it, considering the Emperor himself is a psyker!), what about them is hypocritical? Their use of wolves has been around since at least the previous codex which mentions "fenrisian wolves the size of rhinos", they've just never had an actual unit for it. How is that any more hypocritical than the Blood Angels teaming up with the Necrons of all people?

GW trying to make money? The only new unit they introduced was the TWC, which they don't even make a model for other than Canis! Canis is one of two new special character models. I'm not saying they weren't trying to make money (clearly they were, they are a business after all! ), but if they were really trying to bilk Space Wolf players for moola then they would have updated the god awful Ragnar Blackmane model! XD

streamdragon wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:not at all, there is plenty of ridiculousness in the 40k universe, I could start a whole thread on my hatred for Orks who run on positive thinking, but this thread is about the Space Wolves and how hypocratic they've become, partially due to tabletop units/abilities, partially due to fluff inconsistencies, and all 100% due to GW trying to make money.

Other than their supposed hatred for psykers (which is a ridiculous notion, when you think about it, considering the Emperor himself is a psyker!), what about them is hypocritical? Their use of wolves has been around since at least the previous codex which mentions "fenrisian wolves the size of rhinos", they've just never had an actual unit for it. How is that any more hypocritical than the Blood Angels teaming up with the Necrons of all people?

GW trying to make money? The only new unit they introduced was the TWC, which they don't even make a model for other than Canis! Canis is one of two new special character models. I'm not saying they weren't trying to make money (clearly they were, they are a business after all! ), but if they were really trying to bilk Space Wolf players for moola then they would have updated the god awful Ragnar Blackmane model! XD

The only other point of hypocrisy that I see is there hatred for the mutant and yet they them selves are wolf mutants.

And GW was not making money by putting out new models. Quite the opposite really, by not putting the money in to upgrading the whole line and then putting out a OP codex (just the start of a new generation of such) they made a massive profit selling their old models to new bandwagon players. Much to the resentment of old school wolf players no doubt who had old models and got no new ones just lots of tournament cheese players whos only victory in life is to crawl out of thier mothers basments and go suck all the fun out of a beer and pretzels game at a tournament (with any one of the new and obsene power gaming lists you can make out of any of the codexes from the last 8 months ).

streamdragon wrote:

Brother Heinrich wrote:not at all, there is plenty of ridiculousness in the 40k universe, I could start a whole thread on my hatred for Orks who run on positive thinking, but this thread is about the Space Wolves and how hypocratic they've become, partially due to tabletop units/abilities, partially due to fluff inconsistencies, and all 100% due to GW trying to make money.

Other than their supposed hatred for psykers (which is a ridiculous notion, when you think about it, considering the Emperor himself is a psyker!), what about them is hypocritical? Their use of wolves has been around since at least the previous codex which mentions "fenrisian wolves the size of rhinos", they've just never had an actual unit for it. How is that any more hypocritical than the Blood Angels teaming up with the Necrons of all people?

GW trying to make money? The only new unit they introduced was the TWC, which they don't even make a model for other than Canis! Canis is one of two new special character models. I'm not saying they weren't trying to make money (clearly they were, they are a business after all! ), but if they were really trying to bilk Space Wolf players for moola then they would have updated the god awful Ragnar Blackmane model! XD

ahh my dear Streamdragon, back to spit more hatred and vitrol as always, well lets pick apart your statement shall we? First off you mention their hatred for psykers and say that it is a ridiculous notion because the Emperor himself is one, yet if I recall correctly the Emperor was the one who forbade Magnus and all the space marine legions to use their powers and do away with the librarian specialty. So you defending the space wolves use of psychic powers by saying the Emperor is psychic as well really has no solid basis upon which to stand. Secondly I never discredited the use of fenrisian wolves, the wolves have always been a part of Space Wolf lore, however previously only wolf lords had the grit to actually tame them. Now you have Space Marines in POWER ARMOR which, as I recall is rather heavy, riding on the backs of wolves. If you know anything about biology you would know that wolves, like many land based apex predators, have flexible spines which allow them the dexterity to grapple with prey. An animal with a flexible spine cannot be ridden like a horse due to the havoc you would wreak on its spinal column which is not in any shape or form built for load bearing. Horse spines on the other hand are rigid, like many herbivores, which is what originally allowed mankind to tame and ride them. Now moving on to your money concerns, If you think that GW would have sold billions of Ragnar Blackmane models, had he been updated, then you have a very skewed idea of economics my friend. Now I know you are not simply basing you opinion on one model because you obviously have better things to do with your time than spit bitter fanboy hatred on a generally relaxed forum site, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. However even here you are wrong, as my good friend Laughing God has already stated, they updated almost the entire model line, and gave them a codex which as far as psychic powers are concerned, gave a middle finger to every previous piece of fluff regarding their mistrust of "witchery". Now as a counterpoint to all this I would like to state that I would be the first to cheer for the space wolves as loyal protectors of the Imperium of Man, after all I am a former son of Fenris myself, however GW has made a mockery of many of the finely crafted traditions and practices of that noble legion. I fervently hope that in the future they will return to the space faring vikings they once were.

oh and on an additional note, the blood Angels working with the Necrons is most certainly an absurd notion, however a man by the name of christ once said remove the plank from your own eye before you judge the splinter in anothers, place the space wolves in the same position and see what they would do. and please save us all the time and don't write something absurd like 'they wud hav wun cuz theyz da bestist mahreens in da hol wide galaxy' thank you for your time.

Not to justify TWC, but these aren't Terran Wolves. These are Fenrisian Wolves.

The whole "Hated of Witchery" thing is being taken wrong.

Remember in most Historical Societies my Priest is good and yours is an Evil Witch.

Thunderwolves are different than Fenrisian Wolves. I see people complain about the "realism" of TWC, and I don't really understand it.

Because SO much of 40k is realistic.

Melissia wrote:Not to justify TWC, but these aren't Terran Wolves. These are Fenrisian Wolves.

So your saying they have rigid spines? once again look up your biological facts before you try to refute mine.

Anpu42 wrote:The whole "Hated of Witchery" thing is being taken wrong.

Remember in most Historical Societies my Priest is good and yours is an Evil Witch.

All you're doing is reinforcing my point about Space Wolf hypocrisy, thank you.

Snikkyd wrote:Thunderwolves are different than Fenrisian Wolves. I see people complain about the "realism" of TWC, and I don't really understand it.

Because SO much of 40k is realistic.

Once again look above, and also if you want to simply write off my argument as "taking things to serious" or something, then why even bother calling it science fiction, because then it might as well just be called warhammer fantasy.

Because the word Fiction means it isn't real?

Basically it means fantasy, so yeah, science fiction is a good term.

Snikkyd wrote:Thunderwolves are different than Fenrisian Wolves. I see people complain about the "realism" of TWC, and I don't really understand it.

Because SO much of 40k is realistic.

I guess I don't like getting my fantasy in my 40k. if I wanted cavalry units I'd play Fantasy. And before someone mentions rough riders I think they're lame as well but at least they have guns and are riding horses. And as for daemonic cavalry I would think it was strange if daemons were driving around on motorcycles (call it a double standard).



As to the space wolves being drastically different than they were I just don't see it (TWC aside).As for rune priests they have always had them and you could always take 4 of them iirc- but it was never fluffy. But an armies' fluff validity should not be based on what they can do. My BA can have 5 psykers in a list; guard can have 30; CSM can have 2 daemon princes; there has always been a difference between fluffy armies and WAAC armies

I'm probably missing the point though.