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Yes, outflanking with your chimera is also helpfull with this and the more the better. Just not too many. Something i would like to try is placing a ton of "dud" chimeras in outflanking so fire is drawn to that, menwhile my main heavy weapons infront are shooting up the retards that are shooting at empty tanks.
Blobs and chimeras dont work. chimera has to take entire squad and can only take ten people. mayby if you had two chimeras..but im not sure thats aloud.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote: Blobs and chimeras dont work. chimera has to take entire squad and can only take ten people. mayby if you had two chimeras..but im not sure thats aloud.

Doesn't work for embarking the blob (and no, a unit cannot be spread across multiple transports). But..... if you're fielding the platoon as a blob and take chimeras, that gives you several 'gunboats' running around that can shoot, contest objectives, etc etc, relatively cheaply and without using another force org slot.

So youre saying get dedicated transports..but dont use them to transport, jut have them run close to the blob?

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:So youre saying get dedicated transports..but dont use them to transport, jut have them run close to the blob?

Or put DH/WH allies like stormtroopers in them--a cheap way to get meltaguns until the new inquisition codex comes out.

IG chimeras are cheaper than inquisitorial chimeras, can carry anybody, and allow the passengers to fire out the hatches without counting as open-topped. A whole inquisitorial shooting squad can fire all its HBs and psycannons out the hatches without disembarking. IG chimeras can even carry gray knights or GK terminators, so they're really useful in a guard army with allies or bought as part of an inducted guard detachment.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:So youre saying get dedicated transports..but dont use them to transport, jut have them run close to the blob?

Or put them on the opposite side of the table, or whatever. For 65 points you get the equivelant of a mobile heavy weapon sqaud with multilaser, heavy bolter, heavy stubber. Or switch out the heavy bolter for a heavy flamer, for 6 shots on the move and then a flamer plus stubber when you get close. And as Flavius mentions, you can put other units in them, like special weapon squads that can't buy their own chimera..........

This is true. good ideas. Or im too stupid to come up w/ any good ones. lol. so back on topic with the blob squads......Chimeras, lots of lasguns, and?

You don't even need the chimeras, though they're not bad. A blob should be either 30 or 40 dudes, and the only stuff it really NEEDS are the commissar and power weapons on him and the sgts. Autocannons or Lascannons for the squads can be good, depending on how aggressively you intend to use the blob. Flamers are generally bad, as it's really tough to get them into effective range without being assaulted. Meltas are pretty good. Meltabombs are pretty good.

Two armies based around this concept were in contention to win the 'Ard Boys finals in PA. One of them played on the top table in R3, and wound up dropping out of the top 3 due to getting a Draw or Minor loss (I forget which) against Ben Mohlie's space wolves. The other had some terrible luck against Clark Welch's Chaos (including Al Rahem's platoon not showing until turn 5), and Clark won Overall.

Flavius Infernus wrote:Or put DH/WH allies like stormtroopers in them--a cheap way to get meltaguns until the new inquisition codex comes out.

dedicated transports.

As for taking chimeras as weapons platforms, that would be okay, I suppose. 55 points for a piece of AV12 that can heavy flamer/tank shock things off the board isn't all that awful. The problem is that, in order to keep enough points in your infantry, you'd need to sacrifice points from elsewhere in your list in order to afford this. I'm imagining a 1500 point list with just power blobs and heavy flamer chimeras. Not bad, but you'd have to go big or go home with this strategy.

Not sure what you mean, Ailaros. Inquisitorial stormtroopers are allowed to ride in IG chimeras even though they are dedicated transports. They can't deploy inside them (they gotta get inside turn 1), but that's true of anything else in the IG army other than the unit that the transport was bought for.

I've fought against some blob squads, and have seen them do nasty things, but I've found a few nasty things to do back to them.

Masque+ Flamers of Tzeentch

Death Company Dread

It says in the rulebook that you can Start a game with units inside a dedicated transport, and because its part of the squad, it will outflank with th squad. This is also why you must kill the tank and the squad to get a KP in annilation. My army barely makes 1500 pts, so i field just about everything. But i would rather do 1 FULL, stuffd platoon,3 vendetas, and 2 squads of lemen russes, 1 w all battlecannons, the other all demolishers. That probibly would go over 1500, but o well

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:It says in the rulebook that you can Start a game with units inside a dedicated transport, and because its part of the squad, it will outflank with th squad. This is also why you must kill the tank and the squad to get a KP in annilation.

What?

This is a very curious way to read "each player recieves 1 'kill point' for each enemy unit that has been completely destroyed."

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:It says in the rulebook that you can Start a game with units inside a dedicated transport, and because its part of the squad, it will outflank with th squad. This is also why you must kill the tank and the squad to get a KP in annilation. My army barely makes 1500 pts, so i field just about everything. But i would rather do 1 FULL, stuffd platoon,3 vendetas, and 2 squads of lemen russes, 1 w all battlecannons, the other all demolishers. That probibly would go over 1500, but o well

You should really re-read the rulebook. You've gotten ALOT of rules wrong in just your posts in this topic. UNIT is a different thing to a slot choice. Unit is anything that can do things independently. So a transport is a unit, and as such, a KP. And yes, you can start within a dedicated transport, but only with the unit that the transport is dedicated to.

Yes. And Ailargos, i ment if you had Al'Raheem in the squad with the dedicated transport. Btw ALOT, is two words. Yea ik a transport is a unit, but if its dedicated to a squad, if you playing innialation, you must kill both the squad and the transport.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote: a transport is a unit, but if its dedicated to a squad, if you playing innialation, you must kill both the squad and the transport.

Seriously,

Ailaros wrote:This is a very curious way to read "each player recieves 1 'kill point' for each enemy unit that has been completely destroyed."

A transport is a unit. Your opponent gets 1 KP per unit destroyed. I don't see any exceptions with regards to the TYPE of unit destroyed anywhere.

Transports are worth 1 kill point.

This is not a widely debated rules issue.

If you think otherwise, I suggest you post the rules that your are following that lead you to your conclusion.

What rule book are you guys reading from? Everywhere ive playd, in-store and w friends, it has never counted as a KP to kill the tank, and the squad seperatly. we've alwayse played you must kill both for the kp.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:What rule book are you guys reading from? Everywhere ive playd, in-store and w friends, it has never counted as a KP to kill the tank, and the squad seperatly. we've alwayse played you must kill both for the kp.

Then everywhere you've played, you've played it wrong.

OK then. Hey if you play with an inquisition ally, like deamon hunters helping IG, do you get an extra hq? Like would it be possible to have a command squad, techpriest AND Vindicare assasin?

That question makes very little sense, but to answer it anyway, you don't get an extra HQ slot when playing allies. However, in your hypothetical it doesn't make a bit of difference, because only one of those units you mentioned takes up an HQ slot; Techpriests are "free" as far as Force Org goes, and Assassins are all Elites, anyway.

Ok, wait...how are they free? What's this force org thing/place

The biggest drawback with horde/blob armies is the time it takes to play them.
Your games will go from 2.5 hours to 3.5 hours long, which makes it harder to get to the gaming store to play a game.

Unless your stupid with them and run them into the middle of enemy lines in a huge group and they WITHER AND DIE! lol.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Ok, wait...how are they free? What's this force org thing/place

start on pg. 86 of the BBB (Main 40k rule book). have fun reading...it's all there.

Oh my lord.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Ok, wait...how are they free? What's this force org thing/place

Its in the IG codex and in all codexes for that matter

OK ya. sorry, didnt read that. Havent built the guy yet. Not exactly reading everything bout him. Conscrips are pointles..theyrt good for a meat shield, and intimidating people. Bot other than that..they suck...a lot. I realy need a copy of the rulebook. 3 of my friends play, and only one has it...and he cheats. Hes also realy gay and puts every guy in every squad exactly two in. apart. I wish there was a rule for that.

Jaon wrote:

Ailaros wrote:
30-man blobs are tough as nails. Heck, even 20-man blobs are pretty dang tough. There's a lot you can do with them.

Why are they tough as nails, even with a commissar, they have stubborn yes, but their still teq. I was under the impression that a 10 man assault squad would kill a HEAP of them. Sure you can whittle them down with your lasguns and such, but their still gunna get the assault.

And also, how exactly does a commissar make them better in CC? If you had stracken stand near them theyd be more awesome, but stubborn is no melee buff is it?

If you are a guard player and allowing a 10 man assault squad be in assault range, well then shame to you! In reality the squad would have been whittled down to around 5-6 models...something the blob can easily handle..and I'm saying this from experience, using an outflanking 2 squad blob (alrahem's platoon)....and in this case you assault the marines, and don't let them assault you

freddieyu1 wrote:If you are a guard player and allowing a 10 man assault squad be in assault range, well then shame to you!

Well, yeah, but it's not actually as bad as it sounds.

Assault marines charge a 30-man power blob:

marines kill 17, guard kills 3 (do they get 4 attacks on the charge?)
marines kill 10, guard kills 3
marines wipe the squad.

Now your opponent is left with a couple of dudes and a guy with a power fist, which is summarily clocked the next turn (which is yours, btw), with plasma. Alternately if you can get a little damage in first, as mentioned, you stand a much better chance of winning the combat outright (if heavily mauled). Likewise, if the guard get the charge in, they win.

Plus, a 30-dude power blob costs 225 points, anyone know how much a 10x assault squad with a power fist is?

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:OK ya. sorry, didnt read that. Havent built the guy yet. Not exactly reading everything bout him. Conscrips are pointles..theyrt good for a meat shield, and intimidating people. Bot other than that..they suck...a lot. I realy need a copy of the rulebook. 3 of my friends play, and only one has it...and he cheats. Hes also realy gay and puts every guy in every squad exactly two in. apart. I wish there was a rule for that.

Bolded for the truth.

The bit in italics is absoloutely fine, and an excellent strategy to use in order to minimise flamer/blast/ordance damage.

Seriously, you need to learn the basic, basic rules (like, how to construct a legal army) before weighing in on tactic discussion.

L. Wrex


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Ailaros wrote:

freddieyu1 wrote:If you are a guard player and allowing a 10 man assault squad be in assault range, well then shame to you!

Well, yeah, but it's not actually as bad as it sounds.

Assault marines charge a 30-man power blob:

marines kill 17, guard kills 3 (do they get 4 attacks on the charge?)
marines kill 10, guard kills 3
marines wipe the squad.

Now your opponent is left with a couple of dudes and a guy with a power fist, which is summarily clocked the next turn (which is yours, btw), with plasma. Alternately if you can get a little damage in first, as mentioned, you stand a much better chance of winning the combat outright (if heavily mauled). Likewise, if the guard get the charge in, they win.

Plus, a 30-dude power blob costs 225 points, anyone know how much a 10x assault squad with a power fist is?

Assault marines get 3 on the charge, 4 for the Sergeant. Also, a 10x assault w/ fist comes to 215 points. So, essentally, they made their points back and had a bit left over that you'd then need to dedicate fire towards to get rid of.

L. Wrex