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Manchu:

Thanks. This is the second time this week someone has said something nice about my posting here.

I am very torn on the politeness rules vs not having them. Although I agree that some etiquette is nice and overall it works, I find that some annoying fethers get away with hijacking threads and generally being slowed with no consequence as you can't really give them what they so richly deserve. I realize there is a fine line to be drawn though, and its better to be on the civilized side of things.

News and rumours is my main reason for showing up, and through no fault of our own, its pretty dry going since GW changed their policies. It just isnt as interesting for a daily read like it used to be.

P and M is great

I dont really use much else tbh

Once upon a time if you posted something stupid, you'd get called on it. These days, if you call on someone for posting something stupid, you get a warning.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Once upon a time if you posted something stupid, you'd get called on it. These days, if you call on someone for posting something stupid, you get a warning.

Too true!

Depends on what you come here for. I look at my participation over the years, and it has definitely been sporadic. However, it has certainly taken a downturn in the last year or two. So yeah, I think it's gone downhill.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Once upon a time if you posted something stupid, you'd get called on it.

Once upon a time the caller then got hit on his head with a club .

As i have only recently joined, i really cant say where it went. But i can say, that i quite like Dakka for the mostly polite together here.
Really i find it annoying that so many people just act like jerks on the net.
And for the P&M... i dont think you have to paint GD standard to get feedback... the one thing surely helps though, is being a girl i noticed.

I cant say much to the tactics part of the forum as i dont participate. I like to invent my own tactics, bad or good they are mine ^^.

Cheers all

Some sort of reputation gauge would be useful. As a reasonably seasoned member I know who to listen to when I want advice for my nids (Shep is the man and there are a few others, myself included I think, who give solid advice). Now that I have moved onto WFB I'm in newer territory, though I know Lexx and Karon give good advice about Beastmen. Perhaps some sort of voting system to determine how much you value each members advice. That way when someone posts a tactica article or responds to a list you can see straight away whether their input is valuable or not.

Heck, when I first started posting in nid tactica articles I went on to rant about how ineffective the old nidzilla build was. Of course I had just got back into 40k after a 12 year long break and was spouting utter crap. Imagine if someone had taken my advice seriously and went to on to enter a GT or some other event and got their ass whooped because of me.

I the grand scheme of things, no, dakka is not going downhill.

From a technical perspective, dakka is the best it has ever been. There is always room for improvement, but it certainly beats the days of EzBoard.

From a moderation perspective, I would have to say it is better. Just because there is now a team on call instead of a few individuals which are rarely on and barely moderated. This is not meant as a compliment and a pat on the back however. For how much staff this place has, it should be much better. I wont detail how that could happen in my opinion, since the administration and moderation staff are well aware of my feedback and I hate redundancy.

From a contributing poster perspective, I don't have any idea, nor do I care. I don't read anything that is even remotely 40Kcentric anymore so the majority of content here is lost on me. PB&M is a vast swirling mass of people attempting to get feedback on things they make so its drowned out by sheer population.

I personally liked it better long ago, back when Evil Dewey Ennis, Craig Gallant and even Drew Riggio contributed to the then little known site. It was an old boys club during that time though. It involved people who knew each other in real life and just happened to start their local club forum during the rise of popular usage of the internet by less technical oriented users. Because of the content those and many other folks provided, the 40K gaming population at large looked in and said "I want to contribute and discuss my fave game too". Barpharanges, Nightserpent, Clouseau, Task, Plastictrees, ArchMagosAlchemy ....content has never been that good since then. The reason being is that there were few people during that time that had good creative skills that showed of their painting or tactical skills. They were memorable because of the low population size. Nowadays its everywhere. Its not a bad thing either. It loses some of its charm not only because familiarity breeds contempt, but because the content has lost its relevance and is a far cry from what people did in those days due to volume.

Dakka is simply a victim of its own success. It reached critical mass years ago and has been in a state of flux many times. A veritable high oscillation sine wave of peaks and pits. It just oscillates more frequently with more posters.

Uhh... I recognise all those names.

And Plastictrees is still around.

I miss Mauleed...

I don't see how you can compare to BOLS ... its newer... and has what... vaguely hashed out articles about nothingness?

At least dakka has the sprue wiki

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The main issue with internet forums and any hobby with a compeditive side is that someone somewhere will develop 'the list' with the 'best' units.

Unless you are using these units your list sucks so sayeth the internet.

Unless you are using 'the right' tactics your tactics suck and you fail as a person so sayeth the wise internet.

Unless you min/max you suck so sayeth the internet.

This is squig dung. Some army lists are better/more powerful yes - this is a fact of life but similarly I've won more games with necrons that I've lost - the fact that I've been playing a long time, know my army, use bizarre tactics - you cannot account for them with an internet list. Maybe it's due to being in a country that had to wage a guerilla war to get its independence. Yes the other army is better/bigger/moar guns etc, so we use different tactics the likes of which they've never seen before! (What in modern parlance is called 'terrorism' although its more like guerilla warfare as it's against largely military targets) Anyway the point its thus:

The nature of wargaming is such that there is terrain, random elements, dice, human error. The internet cannot account for this. You can turn up with a leafblower list against my necron/tau/suboptimal race list and loose. The intenet 'people' are what you could call measurebators. It's basically mathhammer at its ugliest, purest form. I dont care if your khorne lord has 83 str 9 power weapon attacks when I kill him from a distance, I dont care how many lance weapons your dark eldar bring if I dont have any tanks...

You see the point? By not fighting on their terms, only your own you have the advantage. Essentially it seems that forums try to treat warhammer / 40k as an advanced form of magic the gathering - by the emperor we have talk of a METAGAME ?? What in the name of Sanguinus's bloodly nipple is that about? META? Does no one realise it's a circle jerk?

AHA! everyone brings scissors ergo I will bring rock... but people will be brining rock to beat the scissors so I need to have paper instead... but the scissors will beat my paper *head explode* It's like a lot of things - ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE. Yes you can have tactics, and strategies etc (hiding eldar rangers behind harlequins = a tactic or a syngergy) but if you are making a list to combat what you think your enemy might have you will probably loose if he out thinks you. Rather by using your own methods, tactics, unique to yourself or just 'not that popular' you have the advantage against a 'superior' force. Good options are the 'no one uses xyz units' Yes they might be really really really crap. However they might just not be popular because something is better MOST OF THE TIME. However if you take said 'suboptimal unit' generally two things happen: Opponent goes 'lol phail unit' and ignores it/underestimates it so you have the advantage or else goes 'ZOMG the the XYZ unit! There must be something ubar they can do!!! DIE!!' and wastes time killing a medocre unit.

Some lists have more synergy than others which is nice. But you can sit synergising on your uber idea all game but if you dont have objectives/VP/KP you've lost. You are better off taking *your* list, learning it, how it works etc, rather than net listing, going this is ubar keep it until you loose then going 'this sux' and changing / buying a new army.
Sometimes units are pure tripe, sometimes they just need to be used differetntly.

If everyone is thinking the same then no one is thinking

The game is much better, and bigger than some mtg style build of the block that many spout. Ignore them, pick a list you like, has cool stuff you think is fun and play a game.
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There has been an increase in annoying members recently, and it is made worse by the moderation. Stupid posters are protected by the mods, as anyone who calls them out might get a warning. If it was allowed to be mean to stupid people, we would at least get some entertainment out of them

Hulksmash wrote:Yeah, Tactics generally make me wince. Most army lists posted don't actually want feed back or can't answer how their units function together to defend their choices. I've very, very rarely popped into those forums of late. I have to say the Tournament Forum is one of the few that I really enjoy posting in. I also like the P&M, News and Rumors, and sometimes Discussions. Basically I'm only thinking that Tactics and 40k Army lists have gone way way down.

To be fair, I don't think there's a forum anywhere with genuinely good tactics advice being offered and, likewise, they all seem to have people posting army lists looking for an ego massage rather than criticism.


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Illumini wrote:There has been an increase in annoying members recently

I've actually had to put someone on ignore recently - something I've never done before on this or any other forum.


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hyperviper6 wrote:I say loosen up; get some dedicated writers who can engage the community like bols readers.

I think the last thing we want is to be more like BoLS - lots of articles about nothing in particular. It is so intensly annoying to read through an article, waiting for the author to make their point and then you realise you're at the end and there isn't one.

Nurglitch wrote:Manchu:

Thanks. This is the second time this week someone has said something nice about my posting here.

Your postings in the tactics threads are usually pretty good in so far as my limited tactical ability and lack of playing can tell

Regards the rest of the site: I've not really been here all that long to say how it used to be back in the golden days when the Emp walked the forum and we reclaimed many users during the Great Crusade etc, so anything I say is based on what I have observed more recently.

+ Articles +

The articles are often stubs with little to no information on them. Many lack pictures or other content, proper headings, etc. From what I have seen they are also quite difficult to navigate through, with some articles in questionable locations in the tree of knowledge.

Some are edited multiple times with conflicting information or opinion (the Ork tactics article is probably the best example of this off the top of my head). Or are either written or edited by someone who obviously views the English language as more of a house rule than RAW.

Some articles are created which are only minutely different from pre-existing ones and are often inferior.

Also, not really sure what the hell is going on here, but I just found some article titles while searching for something else which are just weird:
Popular Home Remedies for Heartburn
Home Remedies for Head Louse - Get Rid of Head Lice
Best Dog Training Secrets

+ PLogs +

These are great, but as mentioned the rather naff search function means that you can't always find anything that you want. Some kind of title tag helps a little when you are scrolling through (for example mine just has [CSM/IG/Eldar] at the start of the title so people know what it contains), but it is certainly a case of having to bookmark anything interesting as even subscribed threads get lost in the volume of posts sometimes (especially if it is an older thread that is not updated regularly that you just want to check out, or link someone to).

Some kind of blogspot filter system (or the filter system on the gallery) would probably be really good in this section so you can tag your PLog with the appropriate details.

As mentioned, sometimes it is quite hard getting feedback on PLogs unless your work is amazing. I think I am pretty lucky with my PLog in that there are a couple of people who post reletively regulalry when I update, and a few randoms drifting in and commenting too. Lots of great PLogs that I follow (limited by me actually seeing they have been updated - due to them falling off the first page or so of my subscribed topics fairly quickly sometimes) have very few comments.

Perhaps some kind of "my subscribed PLogs" option would be appropriate?

+ Tutorials +

Same as PLogs - lack of a good search function/tagging/etc means it is really hard to find something once it is gone off the first page, which is a shame as there are a handful of excellent tutorials on Dakka for a wide range of topics. That and the many really crappy (sorry, but they are ) tutorials that crop up all the time and cover the same few things (often with no or blurred pictures, terrible written instructions or just a rush of "ohmygodifyoudothisitlooksamazing!!!!11111pi" instead of an actual tutorial).

Perhaps duplicate some of the better tutorials into the articles section (I am pretty sure some people have already done so with their tutorials, which is good)?

I played at the original dakkadakka store in Manchester, NH., back in the day. It's all down hill after that.

Hulksmash wrote:Yeah, Tactics generally make me wince. Most army lists posted don't actually want feed back or can't answer how their units function together to defend their choices. I've very, very rarely popped into those forums of late. I have to say the Tournament Forum is one of the few that I really enjoy posting in. I also like the P&M, News and Rumors, and sometimes Discussions. Basically I'm only thinking that Tactics and 40k Army lists have gone way way down.

How would you improve it? Give us some rubber to the road examples of what you would do, and that would be helpful.

Dakka isnt going downhill.

It's levelled out.

I think a big part of the problem right now is the "niceness" that is forced on people here. The best players/Hobbyists are very sure of their abilities, and many of them are "characters"...in order to get their point across sometimes they have to step on toes....not allowed here anymore. It's so hard to teach people how to play "good" 40k. Sometimes I think that they simply dont even WANT to learn. They are typically SO sure that the dice/scenario/opposing army robbed them of a win that they're to angry to see the real truth...that they themselves need to improve as players.

Unfortunatly, I think dakka now caters to these people that refuse to improve in their game. The list/tactics section of dakka (which used to be my favorite long long ago) would be a much more serious place with personalities like Stelek, Mauleed, Gwar, and many others who have offended people over the years given free reign to "lay it down" unfortunatly, people get frustrated. Now we've got an overmoderated board where saying "that idea is friggin stupid" will get you a warning. Now read that quotation....read it...is it REALLY that bad? You'll get a warning for it.

Many forum catagories here are indeed havens for the people who get butt-hurt over being told that they're wrong. You've got to STOMP sense into some of these players if they're ever going to improve their game....which is really what they want/need, they just dont realise it. You cannot do it on dakka...I find that unfortunate.

I find that my favorite forum topics here are Off-Topic, and the new Tournament section. Off Topic is just plain interesting sometimes. The Tournament section keeps me appraised pretty well of whats going on...I'm thankful for that.

Even though dakka is heavilly moderated nowadays, this is still my first stop online when I wanna get some online hobby research done. Then, after about five-ten minutes, I get bored and hit the blogosphere.

Blog's are where its at for REAL tactics and list advice...because you cannot shut those guys up....it's their blog, they rule. You may have to cut and paste useful information, seperating it from arrogant "high and mightyness" but if you can do that you find MUCH more useful tactics and info than you do on any moderated forum. Blog's dont care if they hurt your feelings, they just wanna talk about how to play WELL. YTTH, 3++, Mind War FTW, Bald and Screaming, many others...sufing those sights will bring you MUCH more gaming wisdom than dakka will at this point in time. You just have to be able to cut thru the chaff.

I like dakka a lot, I do, but its got its problems and its a 40k kiddie pool where other places online will REALLY teach you list building and good tactics on the table.

Thats my two teef anyhoo.

Deady how does " that idea if friggin stupid" help your argument though?

Assume the idea is in fact stupid. How does that convince the poster to change, vs. just making them want to flame you back? Doesn't that just make tactics like YMDC?

Deadshane1 wrote:Blog's are where its at for REAL tactics and list advice...because you cannot shut those guys up....it's their blog, they rule. You may have to cut and paste useful information, seperating it from arrogant "high and mightyness" but if you can do that you find MUCH more useful tactics and info than you do on any moderated forum. Blog's dont care if they hurt your feelings, they just wanna talk about how to play WELL. YTTH, 3++, Mind War FTW, Bald and Screaming, many others...sufing those sights will bring you MUCH more gaming wisdom than dakka will at this point in time. You just have to be able to cut thru the chaff.

I like dakka a lot, I do, but its got its problems and its a 40k kiddie pool where other places online will REALLY teach you list building and good tactics on the table.

Thats my two teef anyhoo.

I would suggest to all of the unappreciated tactical geniuses that they do this very thing. It's way too much trouble to be disagreed with, the much more mature thing to do is to take one's ball and go home. Also, being polite in refuting a stupid point makes it more likely that someone else reading the exchange will be won over to your way of thinking, and not just tune it out as "another Dakka flame-war."

I happen to think that there is some very good tactics advice given on the forums, particularly from Sanctjud and Nurglitch.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Once upon a time if you posted something stupid, you'd get called on it. These days, if you call on someone for posting something stupid, you get a warning.

Illumini wrote:There has been an increase in annoying members recently, and it is made worse by the moderation. Stupid posters are protected by the mods, as anyone who calls them out might get a warning. If it was allowed to be mean to stupid people, we would at least get some entertainment out of them

*Looks at YMDC and the resident troll(s) that reside there*

Frazzled wrote:Doesn't that just make tactics like YMDC?

Awwww.

When I post a stupid ideas, I am happy to have people point it out.
Especially when it happens before I try it in a game.

I think DakkaDakka is definitely more. . .padded(?) now, compared to when I started coming here.

jp400 wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Once upon a time if you posted something stupid, you'd get called on it. These days, if you call on someone for posting something stupid, you get a warning.

Illumini wrote:There has been an increase in annoying members recently, and it is made worse by the moderation. Stupid posters are protected by the mods, as anyone who calls them out might get a warning. If it was allowed to be mean to stupid people, we would at least get some entertainment out of them

*Looks at YMDC and the resident troll(s) that reside there*

How does that help again?

"You're stupid and your idea makes my butt weep."
"yea, well, you're poopy head and not quite sane."
"unuh!"
"Uh huh!"

I mean that would be fun for a few threads, but every one? Plus I'd get ten thousand reports from people or their allies who were put off.

It might be interesting to make a separate serious army lists/tactics section, for players who want to have discussions without the usual "Should I use Punishers/Looted Wagons/Whirlwinds?" type questions. Possibly with a separate mod (Dash?) that can remove posts that aren't up to standard?

Or maybe people could just ignore the silly stuff they aren't interested in?

I just don't get it why people find it so hard to not read things.

Illumini wrote:There has been an increase in annoying members recently, and it is made worse by the moderation. Stupid posters are protected by the mods, as anyone who calls them out might get a warning.

If it was allowed to be mean to stupid people, we would at least get some entertainment out of them

In my experience, alerting is a good way to close a thread or get a particular post edited, but it's not always clear if/when anything happens to the guilty parties, due to the way that Dakka manages things. IMO, the mods do a reasonably good job, especially considering how much they get paid for doing what they do.

I like to flame, but Dakka management has been *very* clear that they don't want unbounded flaming on the board... Oh, well...

Nobody ever said that there wasnt ANY good tactics discussion here...but it IS very hard to come by. Most of the tactics/list forum is straight garbage.

Frazzled wrote:Deady how does " that idea if friggin stupid" help your argument though?

Maybe it doesnt, but I'll tell you what overmoderation does....

You have a veteran and a noob discussing a point of tactics. As I noted above...the noobs are FREQUENTLY difficult to stomp new and better ideas into, sometimes it SEEMS like they want to lose.

Anyway.

-Noob posts terrible army list, a new list he thinks and is sure will help him win games. It's his new baby and he's proud of it.

-Veteran arrives and politely tells him whats wrong.

-Noob is offended that someone questions the power of 3 full and tooled Vanguard Vet squads. Cites several examples of how it will beat local players easily so should be able to rawk the tourney scene.

-Veteran gets a bit frustrated with what is obviously TOTAL inexperience passed off as top level play. "That is so friggin stupid" lemme tell you why....

NO MODERATION:

Veteran is allowed to get his point across in a very HUMAN manner, true, WITH frustration, but unfettered by the moderators he can go on to tell the Noob why his Ideas ARE completely wrong and idiotic when considered by a true successful veteran playing this game. He lets slip that some ideas that the Noob has are "stupid" but in reality...THEY ARE. There are no PERSONAL insults hurled, and the point is delivered. Albeit not as politely as could be delivered, but the point is made. Post is not moderated/deleted.

Other's of similar mind read the unmoderated and undeleted post of the Veteran and for the most part...dakka appears to agree with him. Tells the Noob to follow advice.

If the Noob is adult enough, he reads the post and those following. His feelings may be hurt a bit, but the fact is that he needed to learn why his idea Sucked. People posted in conversational manners much like you'd find in an actual games store.

HEAVY MODERATION

Veterans post is moderated by Mod who is by chance following the thread. Due to violations of "politeness policy" spattered throughout the informative reply, Mod deletes entire post rather than cutting/pasting/ or rewriting the post in an acceptable manner. Mod issues a warning to helpful Veteran who wishes to actually help the Noob improve his game.

Veteran is offended. "Why do I even bother? I win all of MY games...and my local opponents are actually GOOD at this game" Veteran feels that in trying to help the communty improve its game, he's rewarded with a warning and a suspension from dakka if he doesnt flavor all posts with vanilla icing and candy sprinkles. "That idea is friggin stupid" followed by solid tactics and stratagies that everyone reading could benefit from. Noob hits the alert button after I take the trouble to actually HELP him?

Again, WHY DO I BOTHER.

Veteran decides not to bother posting in the Tactics section again and opens up a new blog on Google where he can speak freely and in his own style. He doesnt have to think about politeness and avoiding other people's hurt feelings....he simply posts whats on his mind...and points of REAL intelligence flows forth.

Meanwhile...dakka languishes in darkness. The noob isnt helped out with his list. Other noobs on dakka say "that looks really powerful" (remember, all the real intelligent players dont bother anymore). He buys the army, and continues to blame dice and scenarios.


Essentially.

Dont chastise me when I'm trying to tell this little fool why his army is slowed. The bottom line is that I'm trying to HELP him improve his game. When other people READ my response, they'll agree with me. If the guy is adult enough to handle the real world and the internet, he'll give me feedback and probably learn something...in return dakka gets an interesting thread read and may learn something as well. Perhaps I'm not being as polite as can be, but if the guy starts crying or is traumatised in some way then perhaps his parents should have had him in bed at 9pm and been monitoring his internet usage.

When I'm moderated for "telling it like it is" in my own style...why bother to help at all? Maybe I should go elsewhere where I'm unfettered, and can 'talk the talk' without danger of little forum dictators making sure I know they've got the power. I know...I'll start a blog...screw this forum garbage, after all, I WIN my games.

A new blog is borne, and Frazzled has to look for someone else to moderate.

(btw Frazz....nuttin' but love for ya! )

People will most likely read what they can most easily see. The argument goes that actual content gets drowned in crap for this reason. For the sake of argument, let's lowball it and say it takes 100% longer to post a thoughtful thread abnout tactics or a new P&M blog (more like 1000%) than a junk thread. Therefore, for every thread of on-topic content there will be literally 100 (or many, many more) junk threads. By their nature, the junk threads get more attention: less is required to meaningfully participate. Therefore what some of the people complaining would consider wargaming content is buried very quickly.

Again. the "My Friends' Threads" feature has helped with this for me. But it has meant that I've pared down my friends list quite a bit (i.e., significantly changed my use of the "friend" function).

I hardly think Dakka qualifies as "heavily moderated" as in that example, Dead Shane. And the veteran could get the point across very easily within the (VERY loose) "politeness" guidelines... especially if they really are a veteran and know what flies on the site and what doesn't!

Deadshane1 wrote:Nobody ever said that there wasnt ANY good tactics discussion here...but it IS very hard to come by. Most of the tactics/list forum is straight garbage.

Frazzled wrote:Deady how does " that idea if friggin stupid" help your argument though?

Maybe it doesnt, but I'll tell you what overmoderation does....

You have a veteran and a noob discussing a point of tactics. As I noted above...the noobs are FREQUENTLY difficult to stomp new and better ideas into, sometimes it SEEMS like they want to lose.

Anyway.

-Noob posts terrible army list, a new list he thinks and is sure will help him win games. It's his new baby and he's proud of it.

-Veteran arrives and politely tells him whats wrong.

-Noob is offended that someone questions the power of 3 full and tooled Vanguard Vet squads. Cites several examples of how it will beat local players easily so should be able to rawk the tourney scene.

-Veteran gets a bit frustrated with what is obviously TOTAL inexperience passed off as top level play. "That is so friggin stupid" lemme tell you why....

NO MODERATION:

Veteran is allowed to get his point across in a very HUMAN manner, true, WITH frustration, but unfettered by the moderators he can go on to tell the Noob why his Ideas ARE completely wrong and idiotic when considered by a true successful veteran playing this game. He lets slip that some ideas that the Noob has are "stupid" but in reality...THEY ARE. There are no PERSONAL insults hurled, and the point is delivered. Albeit not as politely as could be delivered, but the point is made. Post is not moderated/deleted.

Other's of similar mind read the unmoderated and undeleted post of the Veteran and for the most part...dakka appears to agree with him. Tells the Noob to follow advice.

If the Noob is adult enough, he reads the post and those following. His feelings may be hurt a bit, but the fact is that he needed to learn why his idea Sucked. People posted in conversational manners much like you'd find in an actual games store.

HEAVY MODERATION

Veterans post is moderated by Mod who is by chance following the thread. Due to violations of "politeness policy" spattered throughout the informative reply, Mod deletes entire post rather than cutting/pasting/ or rewriting the post in an acceptable manner. Mod issues a warning to helpful Veteran who wishes to actually help the Noob improve his game.

Veteran is offended. "Why do I even bother? I win all of MY games...and my local opponents are actually GOOD at this game" Veteran feels that in trying to help the communty improve its game, he's rewarded with a warning and a suspension from dakka if he doesnt flavor all posts with vanilla icing and candy sprinkles. "That idea is friggin stupid" followed by solid tactics and stratagies that everyone reading could benefit from. Noob hits the alert button after I take the trouble to actually HELP him?

Again, WHY DO I BOTHER.

Veteran decides not to bother posting in the Tactics section again and opens up a new blog on Google where he can speak freely and in his own style. He doesnt have to think about politeness and avoiding other people's hurt feelings....he simply posts whats on his mind...and points of REAL intelligence flows forth.

Meanwhile...dakka languishes in darkness. The noob isnt helped out with his list. Other noobs on dakka say "that looks really powerful" (remember, all the real intelligent players dont bother anymore). He buys the army, and continues to blame dice and scenarios.


Essentially.

Dont chastise me when I'm trying to tell this little fool why his army is slowed. The bottom line is that I'm trying to HELP him improve his game. When other people READ my response, they'll agree with me. If the guy is adult enough to handle the real world and the internet, he'll give me feedback and probably learn something...in return dakka gets an interesting thread read and may learn something as well. Perhaps I'm not being as polite as can be, but if the guy starts crying or is traumatised in some way then perhaps his parents should have had him in bed at 9pm and been monitoring his internet usage.

When I'm moderated for "telling it like it is" in my own style...why bother to help at all? Maybe I should go elsewhere where I'm unfettered, and can 'talk the talk' without danger of little forum dictators making sure I know they've got the power. I know...I'll start a blog...screw this forum garbage, after all, I WIN my games.

A new blog is borne, and Frazzled has to look for someone else to moderate.

(btw Frazz....nuttin' but love for ya! )

+1

Dakka isnt heavily moderated as national boards go.

Warseer, Dakka, B&C, are all generally heavilly moderated. Veterans dont go to these places for discussion of tactics, I feel its a direct result.

Local forums, like for your local games store or local club, are less heavily moderated. You can talk to your friends in whatever tone suits you, and you get real discussion there.

Blogs, are availiable to anyone. I can read Stelek's stuff and he lives in Utah, myself? Virginia. I can read solid tactics from across the country. He's not moderated on his boards...because he owns it.

All I'm saying is that the best tourney players in the country dont come HERE for tactics...they read stuff that THEIR OPPONENTS are writing. I wanna be able to beat stelek...lets go read his theory. Lets see, Da Boyz won the team tourney at adepticon this year, lemme go check out their forum to see what they're up to....maybe I'll stop by the Wrecking Crew's forums while I'm at it since they're the #1 club on the ratings site competetively.(shameless plug)

Dakka IS heavily moderated compared to these other sources. These other sources that are not as heavily moderated....and have better tactics info.

If Dakka wasnt as heavily moderated...these people that start up their own forums and blogs may have been still posting here. YTTH started up because a guy spoke his mind and was constantly chastised for it....on several forums. While personally I think the guy is a pompous ass, he really brought to the fore some GOOD discussion. Dakka was lessened the day he was banned IMHO. Others have started blogs in kind...so post here less, Blackmoor, TKE, DannyInternets, if they werent busy with their own little works they might be more inclined to post a full tactics article on dakka.

Why bother...I might be moderated.

Kilkrazy wrote:Or maybe people could just ignore the silly stuff they aren't interested in?

I just don't get it why people find it so hard to not read things.

Because as Shane so neatly lays out, there are fethers being wrong on the internet, and the only way to deal with fethers is to feth them, and if you're not allowed to feth them til they tear, why even bother posting?

And if you think I'm not serious...