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The Sons of the House of Valint had watched from their secret access point as the gangers had scurried into posistion. Cantain, being the senoir family member, had the honour of deciding where the first blow would be struck. He watched in amusement as one gang initiated the combat, catching an unfortunate enemy ganger out in the open. His wolfish grin turned sour as he watched the leader of the "Fortunates" approach the gang that had sparked the violence. Clearly they had some sort of alliance in mind. This could not be allowed, as the combined weight of two gangs might actually pose a threat to the sons of Valint, these Fortunates had to be dealt with. With a swift uppercutting motion Cantain signalled for the attack, leaping into the out into the Service Corridor to his side. His shock absorbers alllowed him to land easily, Vertio's propulsion system given the younger noble the opportunity to catch up. They appeared to move with inhuman speed, their foe barely had to time to recognise the threat before the Spyre Team bowled into them. Cantain struck the first blow, aiming for the ganger with the mark of the witch he struck the foremost foe with his guantlet, snapping the gangers head around. Veratio followed closely, sweeping at the peasant creature with his chainsword, its crimson arc a tell tale sign that a mark had been found.


The Spyre Team makes their entrance. Cantain smashes into Igor (1 Base + 1 Attacker = 2 hits) and follows follows suit (1 Base + 2 Attacker! = 3 hits), both eager to claim the first kill.

1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)


3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ... 10

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 0!!! ( - 2 - 3 = - 5)
Cantain (VH! A/H/C) ... 10 <<<
Veration (VH A!/C) ... 10 <<<
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Note: I am assuming that I can charge in to the service corridor, but not out of it.

Clearly, stacking of abilities has issues...

Team Survivor 2 - Hinterhive 202 Rules wrote:

Charger (C) - may Move, then Attack

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)
-C = lose Charger

I would tend to read -C as where you can't Charge in and Attack

That is you Move in and immediately *lose* Charger (which happens after Move), so can't Attack.

You could Move *out*, and then Charger would be OK, because you'd move, and then be able to immediately use the Charger ability in the new location.


OTOH, -R to lose Raider would be more obviously affecting the fighting location:
* Attack, lose Raider, cannot Move.


That is, as I read the Charger description you complete the base action as an atomic action.

@EF: It's good that we're testing the rules early...

I think the issue is how one things about Charger:
* If you think about it as may (Move, then Attack), then losing Charger prevents Charging *out*
* If you think about it as may (Move), then (Attack), then losing Charger prevents Charging *in*

The former interpretation makes it hard to stack Charger and Blitzer or Attacker or Devourer.

The latter interpretation makes it easy:
CB: may ((Move 2)), then (Attack)
CA: may (Move), then (Attack at +1)
CD: may (Move), then (Attack), then (Heal 1)


Clearly, I need to do a better job of explaining this for Game 3!!!

OK, let's take things from the top...

DAY 2!!!

Nightmares of Spryres fill the heads of Gangers

1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)

3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ... 10

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 5

This was indeed part of my calculus for starting location. Does the board need re-setting?

yeah, I think we reset and suffer the nightmares of things which could happen to an unwary Ganger...

Alright, EF, that'd be your move, I suppose.

Also: I may have very limited internet access this weekend and perhaps beyond (changing ISPs, indeterminate how long this will take). John, would you please take over my gang after today's turn?

@Manchu: If you are OK with EF's move, then we'll continue that way -- please confirm.

How about I sit tight for a while?

So I can accept EF's move as valid or request a do-over.

::looks at dead ganger::

I'd say we'll as for the do-over.

Manchu wrote:So I can accept EF's move as valid or request a do-over.

::looks at dead ganger::

I'd say we'll as for the do-over.

Are you okay with the above do over?

Let's get John's eyes on it and a posted "go ahead." If so, I'm good with it.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Cantain Moves, Attacks +1 (usng the Sniper ability) = 2 hits.
Veratio Moves, Attacks +2 (sniper) = 3 hits.

In this game, we only stack 2 abilities, so:

Charger + Sniper = Move, then Attack adjacent Location

If you look at my initial Turn, Gredr did Sniper + Attack = Attack +1 adjacent Location, for a total of 2 damage

If he had unlimited Stack, it'd be Attack! Sniper +Attack = Attack +3 adjacent Location, for a total of 4 damage

So...what can I do?

You can pick two of the abilities at your disposal to stack.

You can Charging Snipe = Move, then Attack adjacent Location.

Or, if you Charge a regular loation, you can Charging Attack = Move, then Attack +1

Let me get this straight (BTW, I am really sorry as I seem to be the only one stuffing up! ), you can't stack you abilities more than once? So if I charge, I don't get the +1 or +2 bonus to my charge for being an attacker or attacker(!)?

And (given the bonus from the terrain) would a ganger with A! also get an additional attack from the terrain, Meaning they'd inflict 4 hits?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

If you look at my initial Turn, Gredr did Sniper + Attack = Attack +1 adjacent Location, for a total of 2 damage

If he had unlimited Stack, it'd be Attack! Sniper +Attack = Attack +3 adjacent Location, for a total of 4 damage

So I can only Charge (=Move then Attack) + Attack = Attack + 1 at destination for a total of 2 damage

I can't Charge (=Move then Attack) + Attack + Attack = Attack + 2 at destination for a total of 3 damage (And this isn't including the bonus from the terrain)

First: Nothing to be sorry about - like NPCs & Monsters in the last game, it wasn't well-defined. I apologize for it not being clear.

Yes. Double or stack 2 different abilities.

Yes. In this game, stacking limit is 2.


We could try an unlimited stacking game and see how it goes:
Raider + Charger + Attacker +Heaer + Devourer = ???

It'd go quick.

I think an unlimited stacking game would look like a fast-cut version of the _Top Gun_ dogfight, with guys flying around the board taking pot-shots along the way.

The basic move would be Raider/ Charger / Blitzer / Attacker, with Healer & Devouerer thrown in, so you'd Move 2 & Heal + Attack 2 & Heal + Move 2 & Heal or the reverse with an A2h-M2h-A2h chain.


I'll have a clearer "Stacking" rules addendum tomorrow.

Sorry again for all the confusion.

Frustrated with thier inability to comprehend simple rules, the sons of Valint take their anger out on an unfortunate Millisaur. Cantain Moves and Attacks twice (Using Charger and Attacker). Veratio moves and attacks twice (using Charger and Attacker! amiright?).

1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)

3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ... 5 ( - 2 - 3 = 5)
Cantain (VH! A/H/C) ... 10 <<<
Veration (VH! A!/C) ... 10 <<<

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 5


Did I dumb?

Pretty much, tho it should only be CA CA vs CA CA! because CA! is CAA which stacks 3.

Also, the Milliasaur will bite somebody.

1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5 <<
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 5 <<
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)

3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ...5
Cantain (VH! A/H/C) ... 10
Veration (VH! A!/C) ... 10

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)

Torrd accepts Nika's parley, to talk while "the boys" stand about and eye at each other nervously.

"Guess you heard ol' Gredr greetin' one of the Jokers, eh? Apparently they're are working with the Hiveshades.

Haven't seen Garland's girls anywhere, but you lot are alright."


Om-nom-nom!

Milliasaurs Attack! Cantain (-2)

1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 5
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)

3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ... 6 <<
Cantain (VH! A/H/C) ... 8 (-2)
Veration (VH! A!/C) ... 10

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)

Garland paces the room, her boots clicking smartly onto the surface of the floor. Her faces twists in agony and she draws her boltgun out and blasts off a spray of bullets into a offensive wall that looked at her funny. She smiles "This is the hard part girls, the waiting. We got this, just gotta wait for it." her voice calming and in smooth tones. The juve cowers in the corner away from this crazed female.






1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 5
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)

3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ...5 <<
Cantain (VH! A/H/C) ... 8 (-2)
Veration (VH! A!/C) ... 10

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)

Maybe the Juve just needs a little hug...

The Juve whimpers in the corner. All 3 females look round. Suddenly a flurry of sharp objects imbed themselves into the wall and floor near his head and....'important parts'. The sadistic leader flashes him her grin before turning back to her pacing. Rasputina moves closer to him, gives on sharp galnce at his jittery nature before silently handing him an open bottle of Wildsnake with a curt nod to him before moving back to her post.

(There ain't gonna be no hugging, this is as close as it's gonna get.)

All:

Updated rules to clarify Stacking, again, sorry for any confusion earlier.

/John

Stacked Abilities

Stacking of up to 2 different abilities may also be possible as a player's Action. The specific combinations are too numerous to list here, so will have the following caveat: If the Action doesn't make sense, then it probably can't be stacked.

Stacking examples
* an Attacker (+1A) / Charger (M&A) would gain a combined Charging Attack (M1-A2).
* an Attacker Sniper would make a Sniping Attack (A2) at an adjacent location.

Stacking limits
Stacking of 3 (or more) abilities is not possible in this game:

* For example, a Attacker / Charger / Devourer would have to choose between a Charging Attack (M1-A2) or a Charging Devour (M1-A1-H1). A Charging Attack Devour (M1-A2-H1) would not be allowed, as it stacks 3 abilities.

* Similarly, an Attacker! / Fighter would have to choose between Attack! (A3) vs. 1 target and Fighting Attacks (A2&A2) vs. 2 targets. Fighting Attacks! (A3&A3) would stack 3 abilities and not be allowed.

Day 2, continued...

A bit apprehensive, Nika spoke clearly and without hesitation. "Same, Torrd. I'm uneasy about what they might be up to. Truce?"

Torrd smiled. "Truce, then. C'mon, boys, let's go get 'em! And try to keep up, Nika"

Torrd and the rest of the Grinders gathered their things and made their way up into the Catwalks.

Torrd, Gredr, Skard, & servitor Move to Catwalks.


1. CRUMBLING FACTORY (+A)
Nika de Volt (tF: L/M/B/S) ... 5
Igor Sprague (tF: P!/D) ... 5
Kurt “Solid” Plissken (tF: A/S/R) ... 5

2. ELEVATED CATWALKS (+S)
Torrd (TG: L!/M) ... 5 <<
Gredr (TG: A!/S) ... 5 <<
Skrag (TG: P!/D) ... 5 <<
Servitor (TG: A) ... 5 <<

3. OVERGROWN PLAZA (+F/-B)
The Master (HS: L/S/M) ... 5
The Bringer (HS: A!/S) ... 5
The Silent (HS: F/S/R) ... 5
Bob 3 (DJ: L!/B) ... 5
Splat (DJ: F/M!) ... 1
Hammertime (DJ: F/C/S) ... 5

4. ACCESS SHAFTS (+R/-S)
Ripperjacks (F/D) ... 10

5. UNDERGROUND BUNKER (+M)
Juve (GG: M) ... 3
Mythic Garland (GG: L/R/H) ... 5
Rasputina (GG: A!/H) ... 5
Kiva The Furious (GG: F/R/H) ... 5

6. SEWER TUNNELS (+B/-S)
Milliasaurs (A/D) ... 6
Cantain (VH! A/H/C) ... 8
Veration (VH! A!/C) ... 10

7. ABANDONED WAREHOUSE (-B)

8. SERVICE CORRIDOR (-C)


Per Manchu's request, I will run the Fortunate's starting tomorrow (Day 3) until he returns.