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Jesus... and people say Melissa whines and complains...

Thank you, Melissa, for the info. Good to hear our ladies are at least getting talked about and worked on - I'd rather use old models (which I would argue are still some of the nicest in the game) and old rules (which I find to be quite competitive) until they get the plastics to look just right than get a poor product just for the sake of pumping it out to the masses sooner. With any luck, we'll be able to look forward to new shininess in a year or so!

TBD wrote:Btw I think GW is using the robes as a convenient excuse (or one of several excuses) to not release them anytime soon, but still keep up the appearance that they are busy with them.

Actually you will probably find that this is a legitimate reason for them to delay a product. They will want to get everything spot on for an army that probably won't get updated for many years beyond this upcoming update. There is no point in churning out stuff for one of the more side-lined armies, as people will simply not buy them.

IILeiBlazeII wrote:Jesus... and people say Melissa whines and complains...

Thank you, Melissa, for the info. Good to hear our ladies are at least getting talked about and worked on - I'd rather use old models (which I would argue are still some of the nicest in the game) and old rules (which I find to be quite competitive) until they get the plastics to look just right than get a poor product just for the sake of pumping it out to the masses sooner. With any luck, we'll be able to look forward to new shininess in a year or so!

agreed. this is legitimate news (despite being far off) and it's announced appropriately in an SOB thread... no reason to whine.

Well, at least the SoB are not going to disappear in the warp!

TBD wrote:I have never heard anything other than that they were and always have been the worst selling 40K army out there, so whether or not they would be better off like that depends on the point of view I guess.

For someone with an obsession with them they clearly would be, but for a money-making company like GW they likely wouldn't be the wisest investment.

Don't say that... you will regret it The Sisters have more flavor than most of the Imperial armies. If I had to fight for the Imperium, I would use the Sisters. I think plastic kits and a useless codex are the only things stopping the army from selling as well as the BT.

Medium of Death wrote:

TBD wrote:Btw I think GW is using the robes as a convenient excuse (or one of several excuses) to not release them anytime soon, but still keep up the appearance that they are busy with them.

Actually you will probably find that this is a legitimate reason for them to delay a product. They will want to get everything spot on for an army that probably won't get updated for many years beyond this upcoming update. There is no point in churning out stuff for one of the more side-lined armies, as people will simply not buy them.

I'm sure it is legit, but I also think that if there is enough of a will there is a way. How much of a will GW has for this exactly, that is the question.


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Big Tim wrote:


Don't say that... you will regret it The Sisters have more flavor than most of the Imperial armies. If I had to fight for the Imperium, I would use the Sisters. I think plastic kits and a useless codex are the only things stopping the army from selling as well as the BT.

Well everyone has his or her own preferences, and I'm definitely not saying there is something wrong with that. However sales numbers indicate people prefer other stuff, and that is what GW cares about.

Unfortunately I can't see the picture here at work, but I'm sure it is fantastic

sisters are are pure tactics army, any bad tactics or mistakes can cost you the game, but yes sisters in my opinion is the most competative army out there.

Medium of Death wrote:

catharsix wrote:
Seriously, we get the Space Pansies before we get Necrons? Haven't they already gotten several redux's since the Necrons' last release? Show the shiny metal robots some love GW, furchrissakes... :(

Dark Eldar turned out well, if 'crons are getting the same treatment won't it be worth the wait?
(NO I WANT THEM NOW! )

Good point. I am working on my Dark Eldar right now, and when I first heard the rumors about the redesign of the line, I had no interest. Jes' awesome work won me over though. I am willing to wait on the 'Crons if they put as much love (or nearly as much; they don't require the 100% overhaul that the Dark Eldar required) into them, then they will probably become my third army (after Nids and DE). Actually, I probably need the extra time to work on my pathetically under-assembled/barely painted Nid force and just-begun DE force...

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hm maybe we'll get lucky (but i doubt it knowing GW!) and sisters of silence will be in the SOB codex

If Thats happens I want Custodes for the Grey Knights. Let them be be Grey night command characters at the head of an Inquisitorial retinue, acting as special agents to over see the Emperors will is followed.

ork_defiler666 wrote:sisters are are pure tactics army, any bad tactics or mistakes can cost you the game, but yes sisters in my opinion is the most competative army out there.

They are even more fragile (tactic wise) than my Tau... but maybe that is why I like them. I never really cared as to whether I win or loose (I have never and probably will never enter a serious tournament). I just want the game to be close.

The only people that are whining in this thread are the ones that are trying to turn it into a flamewar, not the Sisters players.

I don't think this means they're delayed as much as other people think it does, as having issues with the miniatures is pretty normal for plastics. They create a mold, run it through, change the mold a bit after they notice a problem, run it through again, etc etc until they get it just right. It isn't a simple process.

Melissia wrote:The only people that are whining in this thread are the ones that are trying to turn it into a flamewar, not the Sisters players.

I don't think this means they're delayed as much as other people think it does, as having issues with the miniatures is pretty normal for plastics. They create a mold, run it through, change the mold a bit after they notice a problem, run it through again, etc etc until they get it just right. It isn't a simple process.

Is that how they do it? I'd picked up the impression somewhere that the moulds are fantastically expensive to produce, so they'd have to get them right first time? Or can they produce one and then refine that one?

(Not a flame, just keen to learn )

Given what I've heard-- and keeping in mind that I am not an industry insider-- they can produce one and then refine it when there are issues regarding it.

About the inclusion of SoB and GK on the next Inquisition Codex: if you stop to think, GKs make a lot more sense as an Elite/HQ Choice, and SoB as the core of the army. What is more common? Psykers strong enought to be turned into marines or nuns dedicated to the emperor? But complain about that is a time los...

I hope new plastic models come for SoB, i am not a player (willingly), just a colector, and i love those detalied multi part plastic kits that GW is releasing so long.

About the "GWs want each army to fit one game style", sry, that is not true... Space Marines play style got 3 codex so far on 5th edition, Sororitas could easily be released as another of those, they are just marines with bunchs of melta and flamers...

There will not be Sisters in the Grey Knights codex. That has consistently been stated by every single reputable source for over two years now, with only low-level staff members who don't actually know anything saying otherwise. Ontop of that, Jervis Johnson publicly and specifically dismissed the idea, saying it wouldn't happen and that it was just fanwank.

Molds for Injection Molding are NOT cheap, nor are they easy to modify IF you've gotten something really, really wrong.

But, given the tools (3D modeling/rendering, etc.) that exist these days, I don't think they'd get to the 'mold making' stage and still have many major problems.

BUT, getting to that stage is apparently causing fits, but I'm confident that they can get it right - it just might take more time than we'd like!

The way I understood it was that it's not making moulds that's the issue but trying to design a modular plastic kit with many flowing parts. Think about it for a moment, you've sculpted a head with some flowing hair, now you can only really use that head on a body with the robes or whatever, flowing in the same direction so it's limiting the uses of the parts and detracting from the whole point of a modular plastic kit. They never had this issue before because elaborate figures with flowing hair/robes were fixed pose and usually metal.

I think what they'll end up with is something like the nobz/stromboyz where the bodies are fixed pose and you just pick which arms and head to put on them.

Still I don't get the purpose of this thread. Why repost a 11 days old Dakka post just to prove that sisters don't deserve a news&rumour thread for quite a while? Just to reiterate the same off-topic sisters spam as in dozens of other threads?

Edited by Manchu. Implicit personal attacks are no more acceptable than explicit ones.

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Carlovonsexron wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hm maybe we'll get lucky (but i doubt it knowing GW!) and sisters of silence will be in the SOB codex

If Thats happens I want Custodes for the Grey Knights. Let them be be Grey night command characters at the head of an Inquisitorial retinue, acting as special agents to over see the Emperors will is followed.

Custodes don't leave terra, they are the emperor's guard unlike the sisters of silence

Kroothawk wrote:Still I don't get the purpose of this thread. Why repost a 11 days old Dakka post

I didn't repost anything that I know of. And the second section of it is from the BoLS, not from Dakka-Dakka.

I at-least am pleased that Melissia posted this, it was a quick an easy way for me to find out the - seemingly reliable and very reasonable - news behind Sisters and their not-forthcoming Codex.

So does this mean that they're not being lumped in with the Grey Knights?

They never were going to be, that was all just a bunch of inane wishlisting.

Hrm, I'm surprised the robes are such an issue, I always figured they were leather or space kevlar and would be stiff and not flow. It might be a case of the sculpter being too close to the subject and seeing issues where most fans would not.

As for molds and finding problems this can all be discovered during the 3d rendering they make a mold on the computer and inject "plastic using the computer" to find out if the mold is viable before they cut a single pass in metal this saves time and money. To the problems modeling the draping cloth they probably want it to look more like cloth than a hunk of plastic made to look like cloth.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:hm maybe we'll get lucky (but i doubt it knowing GW!) and sisters of silence will be in the SOB codex

If Thats happens I want Custodes for the Grey Knights. Let them be be Grey night command characters at the head of an Inquisitorial retinue, acting as special agents to over see the Emperors will is followed.

Custodes don't leave terra, they are the emperor's guard unlike the sisters of silence

My post was made for the explicit purpose of Illustrating that there isnt a huge reason to Include the sisters of silence, considering its pretty ambiguous (at best) that if they still exist by the 41st millennium that they do anything outside the black ship thing, bringing psykers for the Emperor to nosh on/ if they are exceptional get utilized by the Imperium in various ways.

I believe that I read once that the black ships are in fact one source (if not the source) of Grey Knight recruits, perhaps indicating they should have a home with them rather then the sisters

Per the usage of Custodes themselves, that should be a separate thread, but needless to say I think any party that has representation in the High Lords of Terra has need to have agents traveling about the Imperium amassing information (For the Custodes, about who or what poses threats to what remains of the Emperor, although the very birth of the SOB's illustrate that the Custodes are not entirely above intervening in the greater affairs of the Imperium, either...)

I really don't mind how long they take and what they ultimately decide to do. At the end of the day, if the kits are half as good looking and useable as the DE ones then they will be worth the wait, I've been looking forward to starting a SoB/GK/OM or whatever grouping they will be in army for ages and so I'm prepared to wait as long as it takes for some excellent, detailed, thought out kits

Long live the plastic injection moulding technique advances!

Well,I'm somewhat dissappointed that SoB appear to be getting pushed back to 2012[although my wallet isn't]. At the same time,I'd rather see GW take the time to get the model line right instead of pumping some crap out,so long as it doesn't turn into the ridiculous odyssey of DE. A 2011 schedule of GK-Tau-Necrons should at least keep the Xenos players from complaining for 3-4 months until BT presumabley drop after that,although it's dissappointing to see Tau jump ahead of other armies that need a remake much worse. Moving SoB,another presumably high risk army back behind BT would make since,as GW would have the strong SM sales to hedge their bets for the year. A mid-2012 release would also probably be followed by a DA or CSM release.

Things can't be "pushed back", when they were already scheduled for that timeframe.