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Maybe; but they would certainly take a more subdued role in the new balance of power. A few assassinations here, a hive ship sabotaged there, but only with the intention of ensuring their own survival. At some point, the Orks and/or Tyranids will realize what's happening and begin to anticipate more of the Eldar attacks.

End-game or semi-apocalyptic speculation in the scope of 40k is always...dodgy.

Anyway, if it came down to Orks vs. Tyranids, unless the Orks could fight together under a single Banna(?), they would be screwed. Tyranids(along with Necrons) have always been a game-ender race, at least in my mind, with fluff centering around how near-unstoppable they are unless met by a strong, unified defense.

Orks would definitely have the morale and numbers to hold out, at least for a bit, and obviously seeing as how it would one helluva fight, I can see Orks being very enthusiastic, to say the least. But in the end, I think their main downfall would come about because of the three things:

- Orks are scavengers/pilferers by nature, and without other races to get equipment, or at least raw materials from, they would suffer, logistically. Tyranids are one of the few races whose tech they can't make Orky.

- Naval battles would likely favor the Tyranids. I just don't see Orks, as a whole, being able to bring sufficient power to trake on Hive fleets in space, with the obvious exception of some hulks and the like, but how common are those..?

- With the Tyranids focusing on a single species, I can see them adapting at a horrific rate to combat the Ork's reproduction systems, maybe even the Waaagh itself(a bit of a farcry, but just thought I'd mention).

^None can challenge at least the first two points, nor the legion of linebreaks in this post.

Ronin-Sage wrote:
Anyway, if it came down to Orks vs. Tyranids, unless the Orks could fight together under a single Banna(?), they would be screwed. Tyranids(along with Necrons) have always been a game-ender race, at least in my mind, with fluff centering around how near-unstoppable they are unless met by a strong, unified defense.

And when there are only Nids the Orks will beat up the non-green first, this is a instinct not a choose on there part.

Ronin-Sage wrote:
- Orks are scavengers/pilferers by nature, and without other races to get equipment, or at least raw materials from, they would suffer, logistically. Tyranids are one of the few races whose tech they can't make Orky.

Painboyz are as good with BioTech as Mek are with Hard Tech, giving a chance they will Loot them, and the test subject can survive and work with there brain replaced with a squig. So replacing bit of Orks with Nids Biotech would happen.

Ronin-Sage wrote:
- Naval battles would likely favor the Tyranids. I just don't see Orks, as a whole, being able to bring sufficient power to trake on Hive fleets in space, with the obvious exception of some hulks and the like, but how common are those..?

Whole IoM fleets have been taken out by Ork fleets. Look a BFG for a really look at Ork ships, and best part they is the surprize attacks the savage dumb Orks seem to pull off all the time in space.

Ronin-Sage wrote:
- With the Tyranids focusing on a single species, I can see them adapting at a horrific rate to combat the Ork's reproduction systems, maybe even the Waaagh itself(a bit of a farcry, but just thought I'd mention).

LOL, any ways the unkonwn threat the Nid are running from are Ork from another galaxy, and there hoping the less organized Ork will show them a weakness.

Noir wrote:LOL, any ways the unkonwn threat the Nid are running from are Ork from another galaxy, and there hoping the less organized Ork will show them a weakness.

I like how you take one small quote from Codex Tyranids saying they might be running from something and turn it into they're running form organized Orks. I can quote out of context too.

Unrelenting and all but unstoppable, the Tyranid race represents the eventual doom of every other species that inhabits the galaxy.

-Loki- wrote:

Noir wrote:LOL, any ways the unkonwn threat the Nid are running from are Ork from another galaxy, and there hoping the less organized Ork will show them a weakness.

I like how you take one small quote from Codex Tyranids saying they might be running from something and turn it into they're running form organized Orks. I can quote out of context too.

Unrelenting and all but unstoppable, the Tyranid race represents the eventual doom of every other species that inhabits the galaxy.

You notice it was to his flight of fantasy that I said that, hmmm.... now can we figure out why I made this statment.

I think that the point with the Painboyz does effectively answer the argument regarding loss of technology. One other point however; the IOM has been destroyed, but its worlds remain. The Orks would be able to make use of the remaining technology (especially as there is no one to defend it) long enough for their Doks to find some way of melding Tyranid bits with Orks. But then, the Orks would be the equivalent of Tyranids... so the Tyranids still win, in a sense.

If 'nids absorbed the orks would they gain the built in tek genes?

How would a Pain-Boy be capable of "Looting" Tyranids? Sever off an arm which contains ichor capable of burning through armor and attach it to an ork?!

corpsesarefun wrote:If 'nids absorbed the orks would they gain the built in tek genes?

They've already absorbed countless Orks. They've discarded the bits they don't need. I assume anything relating to being good with technology is among what was discarded, since Tyranids make no use of it.

Footsloggin wrote:How would a Pain-Boy be capable of "Looting" Tyranids? Sever off an arm which contains ichor capable of burning through armor and attach it to an ork?!

Hard-wire controls into its head and control it. Sounds prett simple actually i might test it on my cat.

The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

-Loki- wrote:The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

Kill the tyranid. Take its brain out. Replace it with an ork brain. It'll work because orks are doing it.

purplefood wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

Kill the tyranid. Take its brain out. Replace it with an ork brain. It'll work because orks are doing it.

Like the brain transplants where a squig is placed inside an orks cranium and it works

corpsesarefun wrote:

purplefood wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

Kill the tyranid. Take its brain out. Replace it with an ork brain. It'll work because orks are doing it.

Like the brain transplants where a squig is placed inside an orks cranium and it works

I wasn't aware orks actually did that but i am happy they do.

purplefood wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

purplefood wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

Kill the tyranid. Take its brain out. Replace it with an ork brain. It'll work because orks are doing it.

Like the brain transplants where a squig is placed inside an orks cranium and it works

I wasn't aware orks actually did that but i am happy they do.

Yeah the mad dok is a crazy mofo.

But then again, as soon as nids come in contact with such a creature, odds are, they know it's chemical composition, and it's weakness, thus voiding its utility in the force. I would think at least.

And as soon as they encounter such implementation of their own kind, wouldn't the Hive Mind just counter it, I.E. make their blood more acidic, volatile, cells that attack foreign cells?

Footsloggin wrote:But then again, as soon as nids come in contact with such a creature, odds are, they know it's chemical composition, and it's weakness, thus voiding its utility in the force. I would think at least.

And as soon as they encounter such implementation of their own kind, wouldn't the Hive Mind just counter it, I.E. make their blood more acidic, volatile, cells that attack foreign cells?

I honestly don't think the Orks would care. They would probably start making robot carnifexs and heirophants eventually... holy

purplefood wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:

purplefood wrote:

-Loki- wrote:The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

Kill the tyranid. Take its brain out. Replace it with an ork brain. It'll work because orks are doing it.

Like the brain transplants where a squig is placed inside an orks cranium and it works

I wasn't aware orks actually did that but i am happy they do.

Yup my Morker gang (GorkaMorka) had a biker with one after a visit to a Dok, after wards he got a habit of frenzying.

As for the Dok they would rip the Nid to pieces then take the Kool bit and then stich them onto the Ork or replace the limb with them. Remember weapon size isn't a issue normal boyz carry weapon that would be on vehicles in other armys (Lootaz), and there isn't a upper limit to how big a Ork can get. Endless War...... Waaagh!!!

Oh dear god, I can imagine the arms of Heirophants falling on armies!

What would really be interesting is seeing the Doks take on a Synapse Creature. A few failed experiments later, they might have a working Warrior-Ork hybrid.

-Loki- wrote:The problem with controlling a Tyranid like that is as soon as there's a synaptic link anywhere near it, it'll override whatever controls the Tyranid.

Unless the painboys lobotomize the bit of nidbrain that responds to synapse .... painboys would easily be able to do this.

The main tyranid tactic is evolution and numbers. They are the fastest evolving species in the galaxy, I'm sure they can evolve faster than an ork can synthesize tyranid parts to ork parts. The hive mind is the greatest leader in the galaxy after the emperor IMO. It can command all tyranid in the galaxy simultaneously without delay from distance. It adapts to near any threat thrown at it. The spores the orks make will just be ome biomass to make more tyranid. It was said in the fluff that a small nid fleet was nearly destroyed by mines and other defenses above an ork planet, they ended up making planet fall and starting a new fleet!

Thats because skarfang was slowed ....

If it comes down to just nids vs orks ghazghkull will be in charge, and da boyz will stomp those bugs flat.

P.s, ghaz would totally have murdered those dozen lictors that pwned skarfang

Many of the Pro-Tyranid arguments seem to be assuming that the Tyranids will just sweep through the Ork Empires, harvesting more and more biomass. Granted, many outposts will fall, but the larger worlds will be nearly impossible to subjugate quickly (since many of them will be abandoned IOM worlds that the Orks have claimed). With enough time, the Tyranids will throw more and more at these worlds, while the Waaagh! attracts countless Orks and every casualty means a ready made platoon within a matter of months. Ultimately, the Orks will realize that they need to burn the Tyranid corpses (reduced bio-mass to recycle if the Tyranids manage to take the area), meaning that every unsuccessful Tyranid assault from then on will just lose more biomass. Even those that are successful will certainly gain biomass, but not in the quantities they need to recoup their losses. It might take centuries, even millenia, but the Orks could well halt the Tyranid expansion (since it seems that the Orks of Octarius are holding their own against the Tyranid hive fleet, perhaps even winning)

I never even imagined it would be a landslide victory. Spores however do not hold ground, there is no argument against the fact however that Tyranid are more organized. I don't think the Orks will all band together IMO. They will start fighting each other over who is leader of this large Ork empire

Ronin-Sage wrote:Tyranids are one of the few races whose tech they can't make Orky.

Footsloggin wrote:How would a Pain-Boy be capable of "Looting" Tyranids? Sever off an arm which contains ichor capable of burning through armor and attach it to an ork?!

I beg to differ...

Fights at the top of the pile make little difference to the common Boyz; they'll keep fighting the Tyranids regardless of who leads them. Assuming Ghazkul (spelling?) survived, he'll likely lead a new Waaagh! without end against the Tyranids.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:I never even imagined it would be a landslide victory. Spores however do not hold ground, there is no argument against the fact however that Tyranid are more organized. I don't think the Orks will all band together IMO. They will start fighting each other over who is leader of this large Ork empire

There would be a brief fight but as soon as their was an established leader the nids would be hit as hard as they hit others.

One thing I forgot to add in a previous post;

If we assume the IOM's worlds are not entirely destroyed, then the Orks will not simply loot what they need to maintain their technology. Rather, the Meks will begin scavenging ships and turning any surviving manufactories to their war effort. If every every Nob (and maybe some Boyz) has the opportunity to equip top of the line IOM weaponry (with some Orky know-wots to boot), they should individually be more than a match for most of the common Tyranid forms. Now give the Orks cyclone-missiles used by the Inquisition, and you'll have suicidal Orks dive bombing into the heart of the Hive Fleet, sowing confusion amidst the Tyranids.

Shrouger wrote:One thing I forgot to add in a previous post;

If we assume the IOM's worlds are not entirely destroyed, then the Orks will not simply loot what they need to maintain their technology. Rather, the Meks will begin scavenging ships and turning any surviving manufactories to their war effort. If every every Nob (and maybe some Boyz) has the opportunity to equip top of the line IOM weaponry (with some Orky know-wots to boot), they should individually be more than a match for most of the common Tyranid forms. Now give the Orks cyclone-missiles used by the Inquisition, and you'll have suicidal Orks dive bombing into the heart of the Hive Fleet, sowing confusion amidst the Tyranids.

Tyranids also adapt. Technology only goes so far as the Tau fight versus hive fleet gorgon showed. They had to keep adapting their tech and changing to outmoded or new gear and tactics to try and keep ahead of the hive fleets game.