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corpsesarefun wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Shrouger wrote:The Orks have several advantages:
For every one that dies, thousands of spores, and eventually tens of Orks, will be scattered across the planet. Contrarily, every Tyranid that dies replenishes only itself. If the kill ratio is about 1:1 (assuming the Tyranids bring their large bio-constructs to bear), then the Orks will gain a bonus of roughly 5-20 Boyz for each of them that falls. If the Orks can hold on to a few worlds long enough to establish a large enough population, they should have no problem holding the Tyranids at bay.

You realize that Hormagaunts lay eggs right?

Source?

As far as I know unless specified to do so (such as those new gaunt spawning beasties) no tyranids produce offspring other than norn queens.

Tervigons spawn Termagaunts


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Honestly its unlikely either would win. Both can repopulate, both have almost endless numbers and neither has a clear advantage or some instant galaxy killer that would seriously maim the other.

Yes, the Ork,s DEFINITELY have less regulations on the use of last resort weapons than the IoM. Though seeing how the Tyranid are a threat to anyone im sure the Imperium thought of using that chemical already. So there might be something there that made them decide not to.

the impirium might have had the chemical ready to go but when the csm got to close to terra most forces retreated to try and defend it , or maybe the tau created one

Whatever happened,Chaos would just waltz in and bust ass anyway.
Also, in "storm of iron" book don't the Iron warriors use a corrupted 'nid hive ship thing to transport titans?
Personally though I'd have to say nids would probably win. (But the orks would enjoy the fight anyway!)

Chaos would be busy consuming the souls of every human in the galaxy to bother with the Orks or 'Nids. Once humanity is gone, Chaos will have far less sustenance, forced to rely on what remains of the Eldar. They will likely ignore the Orks and 'Nids.

Ya chaos would have their hand tide because Slannesh would have bean dead by then thanks to the knewly born Eldar death god which would have brought back the eldy race as a whole. But back on topic i say orks would win mainly because thier all psychic they just dont know it. Plus the orks would just keep coming back even after the nids left the Milky Way. Not to menchon if they all died the got the two most powerful gods ever Mork and Grok ( sorry if i spelt thier names wrong) For mainly those reasons i say that orks would win. Also red makes them go faster.

Yeah i doubt gork and mork will care for the shadow in the warp and eventually tzeench will find a way to penetrate. oh and were forgetting necrons nids can't eat necrons

People, it's Orks vs. Tyranids ONLY. We're assuming the others have been removed from the equation. I swear, keeping you guys on track is like herding lawyers.

yeah that was of topic.
but back on topic, can gork and mork destroy the tyranids presence in the warp?

moonshine wrote:yeah that was of topic.
but back on topic, can gork and mork destroy the tyranids presence in the warp?

I think they have the raw power, yes. I don't believe they have the focus or desire to do it. IMHO

yeah that makes sence but i imagine after a while they will give the shadow in the warp a good wack

Honestly, Mork and Gork are the reason I think orks will win in the end.

i agree gork and mork would realise too many orks are dying and deal with the nids

Na, it's just that before the nids can wipe orks out the Hive Mind will be the biggest thing for Gork'n Mork to fight!

Scrabb wrote:Na, it's just that before the nids can wipe orks out the Hive Mind will be the biggest thing for Gork'n Mork to fight!

The Hive Mind isn't a "thing".

Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

Tau don't have a warp presence do they?

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

The hive mind isn't something you can "krump". It's the conscious manifestation of EVERY SINGLE TYRANID. It isn't a "thing" so much as a force of nature.
Also, Tau have very weak presences.

And blanks have none?

corpsesarefun wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Shrouger wrote:The Orks have several advantages:
For every one that dies, thousands of spores, and eventually tens of Orks, will be scattered across the planet. Contrarily, every Tyranid that dies replenishes only itself. If the kill ratio is about 1:1 (assuming the Tyranids bring their large bio-constructs to bear), then the Orks will gain a bonus of roughly 5-20 Boyz for each of them that falls. If the Orks can hold on to a few worlds long enough to establish a large enough population, they should have no problem holding the Tyranids at bay.

You realize that Hormagaunts lay eggs right?

Source?

As far as I know unless specified to do so (such as those new gaunt spawning beasties) no tyranids produce offspring other than norn queens.

I know I said I'd bowed out, but someone questioned my information. Page 38 of Codex Tyranids 5th edition.

Furthermore, unlike most Tyranid bioforms, Hormagaunts are able to reproduce independently, and lay hundreds of eggs just below the surface of a planet before their short, hyperactive lifespan is over.

Tyanids obviously have the ability to give any of their bioforms reproductive ability, they just don't. My assumption is control - as long as only major synaptic links (Dominatrices, Norn Queens and Tervigons) can reproduce, then they maintain tighter control.

Not to mention, the Parasite of Mortrex is basically a Shrike with the ability to breed rippers inside living tissue (ie plant the eggs inside a human).

Klawz wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

The hive mind isn't something you can "krump". It's the conscious manifestation of EVERY SINGLE TYRANID. It isn't a "thing" so much as a force of nature.
Also, Tau have very weak presences.

Neither are Gork'n Mork. They are the physic manifestation of every single ork. I was under the (mistaken?) impression that both 'powers' existed in the warp and could therefore combat each other.

Scrabb wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

The hive mind isn't something you can "krump". It's the conscious manifestation of EVERY SINGLE TYRANID. It isn't a "thing" so much as a force of nature.
Also, Tau have very weak presences.

Neither are Gork'n Mork. They are the physic manifestation of every single ork. I was under the (mistaken?) impression that both 'powers' existed in the warp and could therefore combat each other.

Psychic*

And warp powers constantly fight, Gork and Mork are noted for beating up and tricking the other gods.

corpsesarefun wrote:And warp powers constantly fight, Gork and Mork are noted for beating up and tricking the other gods.

danke.

I say Orks. Just because I know somewhere it mentions that a fully united uprising of the Orks would be unstoppable.

I don't remember where I read that, lol but I did!

Besides, you never know what a ork might do! Highly unpredictable little buggers.

Scrabb wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

The hive mind isn't something you can "krump". It's the conscious manifestation of EVERY SINGLE TYRANID. It isn't a "thing" so much as a force of nature.
Also, Tau have very weak presences.

Neither are Gork'n Mork. They are the physic manifestation of every single ork. I was under the (mistaken?) impression that both 'powers' existed in the warp and could therefore combat each other.

That's the thing. The Hive Mind is on such a scale above the gods that the gods fighting the hive mind is probably comparable to a mosquito fighting an avalanche.
Clarification: While Gork and Mork are manifestations of the Ork Race, the Hive Mind isn't. It's a synaptic chain. Its manifestation is the entire tyranid race. Fighting is like fighting an avalanche. There isn't one thing you can combat.

Klawz wrote:

Scrabb wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

The hive mind isn't something you can "krump". It's the conscious manifestation of EVERY SINGLE TYRANID. It isn't a "thing" so much as a force of nature.
Also, Tau have very weak presences.

Neither are Gork'n Mork. They are the physic manifestation of every single ork. I was under the (mistaken?) impression that both 'powers' existed in the warp and could therefore combat each other.

That's the thing. The Hive Mind is on such a scale above the gods that the gods fighting the hive mind is probably comparable to a mosquito fighting an avalanche.
Clarification: While Gork and Mork are manifestations of the Ork Race, the Hive Mind isn't. It's a synaptic chain. Its manifestation is the entire tyranid race. Fighting is like fighting an avalanche. There isn't one thing you can combat.

Gork and Mork fighting the hive mind is not like a mosquito fighting an avalanche, Gork and mork are raging powerhouses acording to the ork codex

Scrabb wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:Psychic*

danke.

Klawz wrote:

Scrabb wrote:

Klawz wrote:

Ultrasmurf_no_REALY wrote:Uuuuuur everything has a presence in the warp so it defaultly becomes a thing in the warp

The hive mind isn't something you can "krump". It's the conscious manifestation of EVERY SINGLE TYRANID. It isn't a "thing" so much as a force of nature.
Also, Tau have very weak presences.

Neither are Gork'n Mork. They are the physic manifestation of every single ork. I was under the (mistaken?) impression that both 'powers' existed in the warp and could therefore combat each other.

That's the thing. The Hive Mind is on such a scale above the gods that the gods fighting the hive mind is probably comparable to a mosquito fighting an avalanche.
Clarification: While Gork and Mork are manifestations of the Ork Race, the Hive Mind isn't. It's a synaptic chain. Its manifestation is the entire tyranid race. Fighting is like fighting an avalanche. There isn't one thing you can combat.

In a realm of energy and mind, do you really think thats a problem. The whole Warp is fromed by the mind, if Gork & Mork want to figth the Hivemind they will. Don't let the limited human understanding of the metaphysical effect you so much. The Hivemand can have a from in the Warp just as easy as any other warp entity.

Klawz wrote:That's the thing. The Hive Mind is on such a scale above the gods that the gods fighting the hive mind is probably comparable to a mosquito fighting an avalanche.

Clarification: While Gork and Mork are manifestations of the Ork Race, the Hive Mind isn't. It's a synaptic chain. Its manifestation is the entire tyranid race. Fighting is like fighting an avalanche. There isn't one thing you can combat.

Well, all the powes in the warp are like that. I mean, the difference between the Hive Mind and Gork'n Mork and the Big Four is that the tyranids give up their mental facilities, orks just radiate the psychic powers as extras and the other gods leech the very emotions of humans and other species. A bug doesn't inherently have more brainpower than a human has emotions or an ork has Waagh! energy. I really don't see how anything in the warp can be described as calmer or less destructive than an avalanche. Even in comparison to a synaptic chain of killer predators.

The Hive Mind is more powerful than the sum of it's parts. Trillions upon trillions of organisms contributing to a shared intelligence that is just massive. But it still has a ton of responsibilities non of the other factors in the warp have. A million battlefields where trillions of organisms fight. Each claw, barb and wing is slashed, fired and operated by the Hive Mind. The development of counters to thousands of different forces with their own collections of brilliant minds. Powering the zoanthropes, assessing battle reports, prioritizing digestive pools against bio-gargants in production, reading the beacons sent out by the genestealers, dealing with probes from alpha plus psychers....... The list never ends. To suggest that it does all this and can also effortlessly fight off all the collected powers of the warp as well seems off to me.

Exactly, the hive mind cant be faught. Its a conciousness so me calling it an it isnt even accurate