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It cant be, I was reading a review in PC Games and it said that Vigil have prepared themselves for a mikstake like that, because if they mess up they will be tracked down by angry fans everywhere. I agree Kingcracker, I also have something to stay me over until DMO is out, i have the wonderfully free Allods Online and DoW2 Retribution out in March.

Also Champions just went free to play if you fancy some superhero action.

As to WoW, I feel the same Kingcracker. I got to 85 in a few days, earned enough gear to do heroics, but its not got the same pull anymore.

Unlike Wrath that managed to feel really fresh, Cataclysm hasn't got that same feeling. It feels like I'm re-running Wrath again in a lesser impressive skin.

Mass Effect grabbed my attention and I've barely played WoW for three weeks, getting to the point I'm not sure I'll resub in March.

Plus with 40K and hopefully WoD due next year, I'd say my WoW days are numbered, even if I stick it out this year and that will mainly be due to my Guild.


As to the WaR comps, fair comment on the one God, Mythic wimped out there for sure, but Dark Elf Sorcerors exist (okay not in thenumbers a player base would allow, but they are there) and Goblins have been known to talk Orks into doing stuff. Just takes a really damned sneaky one.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Also Champions just went free to play if you fancy some superhero action.

Yay! I loved champions, was a great follow-up to City of Heroes/Villains..

Retrias wrote:WoW is getting stale the more you play anyway, it's like a repeat job, the end game content, is where you and your team manage to bully couple of characters that is might as well be unbeatable in the real warcraft universe

Another complaint: It makes blizzard delay their games... ALOT

I want an RPG to the taste of WH40K or Starcraft
please no more medieval fantasy, sword and magic RPG

People have been saying that WoW was going to collapse since before they released BC. The fact is, they still have more customers than any other MMO and they have not lost population, they are still well over 10million. People only talk about WoW being a grind fest and how it is stale because it is the largest MMO, the most successful MMO, so everyone has to try and knock it down from the pedestal it has built.

Also, every MMO you play is going to be the same. You work to reach level cap, then you raid end game content with your buddies, when that gets old, you do a ton of PVP, then back to raiding. That is just how MMOs work. I mean, how else would the game pan out? They cant have an actual ending like a single player RPG because people wouldnt pay a monthly fee for that, and it wouldnt have the replay factor.

I would love to play a warhammer MMO, but I tried to play the fantasy one and it was terrible, and I had extremely high hopes for it.

WoW is not successful for no reason, it is more complete, more streamline, and more user friendly than any other, and that keeps people playing.

http://massively.joystiq.com/category/warhammer-40k

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/03/thq-says-40k-mmo-due-by-march-31-2013/

I dunno where you guys are getting 2011 from, its always been late 2012/early 2013.

Let the speculation hounds roam with idiotic statements such as:

"Oh, if Space Marines are like how they are in fluff, the game will suck!"

"Everyone's going to be a space marine"

"This game will suck because of XXX"

"Space Marines are going to be OP"

"This game will end up like WAR"

Also, a gem I found on the DMO Heresy-Online thread, pretty funny if you've ever played WoW

I'm sure space marines will have:

*Kill 10 rats
*Bring Rat Skins to Company Master
*Choose quest reward: Land Raider or Whirlwind.

next quest:

*Kill 20 rats
*Bring Rat Skins to Company Master
*Quest reward: Congrats you have recieved Terminator Honours.

Morathi's Darkest Sin, is champions really free?

Basically yep, you can go to all zones, get to max level for free with a starting total of two characters.

What they've done is making a few character custom options that you'd need to buy to get all options, but there is plenty enough options there so you don't need to.

Some character packs, made it so freeform is only available to subs/lifetime folks. So you pick a Mind or Fire hero for example and all your powers are of that type.

Some of the travel powers require a payment to unlock, but five are still free including Acrobatics and Flight, which where two of my faves anyways.

It's very much a xbox live situation, the game is totally viable without spending a penny, but there are plenty of little upgrades you could do.

For example of costs, a 1000 Atari points cost just under £8, to buy an extra Character slot costs 200pts, to unlock one of the two Archetype heroes that start locked would be 980pts and to unlock one of the locked Travel powers was 420pts.

So not to bad in my opinion.

I hope DMO isn't like that, I'd be forced to buy everything available, lol.

I don't know how they're going to be doing the shooting, that is going to be a big thing.

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KingKodo wrote:Also, every MMO you play is going to be the same. You work to reach level cap, then you raid end game content with your buddies, when that gets old, you do a ton of PVP, then back to raiding. That is just how MMOs work. I mean, how else would the game pan out? They cant have an actual ending like a single player RPG because people wouldnt pay a monthly fee for that, and it wouldnt have the replay factor.

This man has never played Guild Wars!

Slarg232 wrote:

KingKodo wrote:Also, every MMO you play is going to be the same. You work to reach level cap, then you raid end game content with your buddies, when that gets old, you do a ton of PVP, then back to raiding. That is just how MMOs work. I mean, how else would the game pan out? They cant have an actual ending like a single player RPG because people wouldnt pay a monthly fee for that, and it wouldnt have the replay factor.

This man has never played Guild Wars!

I quit guild wars after the first or second expansion. It was fun, but my friends just did not want to keep playing. WoW is in a whole different world of polish compared to guild wars. And, I do not really get what you do when you are higher levels. I raided some stuff but nothing really came of it. Then I did their weird PVP against bots thing, that was terrible. The game just is not user friendly at all. It seemed as though if you did not have a guiding hand constantly, the game would turn out boring and bland. I would like to see a new version where they smoothed out the whole system.

KingKodo wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

KingKodo wrote:Also, every MMO you play is going to be the same. You work to reach level cap, then you raid end game content with your buddies, when that gets old, you do a ton of PVP, then back to raiding. That is just how MMOs work. I mean, how else would the game pan out? They cant have an actual ending like a single player RPG because people wouldnt pay a monthly fee for that, and it wouldnt have the replay factor.

This man has never played Guild Wars!

I quit guild wars after the first or second expansion. It was fun, but my friends just did not want to keep playing. WoW is in a whole different world of polish compared to guild wars. And, I do not really get what you do when you are higher levels. I raided some stuff but nothing really came of it. Then I did their weird PVP against bots thing, that was terrible. The game just is not user friendly at all. It seemed as though if you did not have a guiding hand constantly, the game would turn out boring and bland. I would like to see a new version where they smoothed out the whole system.

You do know some people see the fact that games just point you at everything you have to do as a bad thing right? It takes away most of the challenges. You just mindlessly follow the marks, thats it. I hate games that constantly have a guiding hand saying what you should and shouldn't do.

That said, Guild Wars is a pile of gunk which I returned to the store on the day I bought it (dumb ass didn't know how cd-keys work so I got a refund xD).

I agree with you soladrin, but there is an extreme opposite of that which makes games even worse. Games that present no path for your character are terrible. Sure, you want some freedom in developing and the choices you make, but a game with no purpose is nothing.

If someone asks you to do something, without giving you any kind of specifics, how are you supposed to do it?

KingKodo wrote:I agree with you soladrin, but there is an extreme opposite of that which makes games even worse. Games that present no path for your character are terrible. Sure, you want some freedom in developing and the choices you make, but a game with no purpose is nothing.

If someone asks you to do something, without giving you any kind of specifics, how are you supposed to do it?

By discovering those specifics yourself.

Also, you seem to confuse keeping a hand over you at all times with giving you a purpose now, those are two completely different things.

I will definetly play Guard!!! My friend wants to be a Dark Eldar...Like that will ever happen

I really have my hopes up for this game!

As i recall, there hasn't been a most popular Sci-fi MMO (well, besides EVE Online). With my fingers crossed, i'm looking much forward to this game!

As for character/class... Something with pointy ears... And boobs!

Eve Online is a genre of its own, I've played it before. Its indescribable to people who haven't played it.

I honestly can't wait for this game. I know that I will be one of the first to sign up on their forums once they open them up, and one of the first to pre-order.

That game will be mine.

Soladrin wrote:

KingKodo wrote:I agree with you soladrin, but there is an extreme opposite of that which makes games even worse. Games that present no path for your character are terrible. Sure, you want some freedom in developing and the choices you make, but a game with no purpose is nothing.

If someone asks you to do something, without giving you any kind of specifics, how are you supposed to do it?

By discovering those specifics yourself.

Also, you seem to confuse keeping a hand over you at all times with giving you a purpose now, those are two completely different things.

So a guy gives you a quest to kill some goblins, but doesnt tell you how many, what kind, or where they are. People wouldnt even play a game like that. It may seem like an interesting way to go about things, but that will slow down gameplay in a time where people want fast paced games.


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Karon wrote:Eve Online is a genre of its own, I've played it before. Its indescribable to people who haven't played it.

I honestly can't wait for this game. I know that I will be one of the first to sign up on their forums once they open them up, and one of the first to pre-order.

That game will be mine.

I really enjoyed Eve online for a while. The only complaint I have is that there is very little to do in combat. You basically tell your ship how far away you want to stay from the target, and then select which weapon you want to start shooting at said target. It would be much more exciting if you could dogfight with people, and have to aim your guns. Guess I will have to wait for jumpgate for that.

private jones!
Sir?
Here take this sheet of cardboard, flashlight and blunt knife, you have just joined the squad.
Thankyou sir!
Our mission is to hold the line, while the marines charge foward, are slaughtered in the glory they deserve, and we win the battle

^
Shame the game game wont ever be like that lol

I think I saw somewhere that you can be guard squad leader, and levelling up gets you more guardsmen to command, just think I saw it though, not confirmation

The amount of Guild Wars hate in this topic makes me sad

:(

Anyone know how Chaos is going to be represented? I've only seen Khornate stuff, but what about the other gods? Any Lost and the Damned? Or is it like the WH fantasy MMO where there was one god (Tzeentch)?

Could we be a daemon :O

Well from screenshots we've seen Khorne Bezerkers and a Nurgle Daemon so far, so potentially they are all there. I hope so, although its likely those where mobs.

Also WaR had all four powers, its just you could only play one. Which made the reasoning even more bizarre when you think about it.

KingKodo wrote:

Soladrin wrote:

KingKodo wrote:I agree with you soladrin, but there is an extreme opposite of that which makes games even worse. Games that present no path for your character are terrible. Sure, you want some freedom in developing and the choices you make, but a game with no purpose is nothing.

If someone asks you to do something, without giving you any kind of specifics, how are you supposed to do it?

By discovering those specifics yourself.

Also, you seem to confuse keeping a hand over you at all times with giving you a purpose now, those are two completely different things.

So a guy gives you a quest to kill some goblins, but doesnt tell you how many, what kind, or where they are. People wouldnt even play a game like that. It may seem like an interesting way to go about things, but that will slow down gameplay in a time where people want fast paced games.

I'd enjoy the road to finding those nasty green things.

Billinator wrote:I really have my hopes up for this game!

As i recall, there hasn't been a most popular Sci-fi MMO (well, besides EVE Online). With my fingers crossed, i'm looking much forward to this game!

As for character/class... Something with pointy ears... And boobs!

So eldar?

Slarg232 wrote:Seriously, One God ravaging the Empire, and Male DE sorcerers? Not to mention Orcs taking orders from Goblins...

Orcs don't take orders from goblins (unless you are complaining that there are goblin quest givers?) and the main Chaos baddie was a Champion of Tzeentch, but had the blessings of all the gods. If you went to the main city there were daemons and cults for all four. You just played as members of a Tzeench following tribe of marauders, but the were others in the game.

WAR had potential, I always thought they should let me be a Beastman Chosen, though D:

And, just to clarify for everyone. We know almost nothing race wise. The only thing that has been announced race-wise is the Imperium, all else is speculation

Yeh Karon you're right, only the Imperium of Man has been announced as an actual playable race, everything else, despite pictures is still just speculation

I'm not thrilled that it seems that we're only having 2 factions... again.

I don't want to be a guardmen allied with Eldar and whatever race they stretch and rape the lore to make fit. Im all for coalitions, like an Imperium Faction being Guardsmen/Commissars etc with Space Marines, and maybe possibly an alliance between Eldar and Tau (somehow) but I just want the game to have more than 2 factions. It makes for funner fights.

Kasrkin Jack wrote: stretch and rape the lore to make fit.

You do know they have allied in the past right? This isn't some video game company making stuff up.

Yeah, I understand that the Eldar and Imperium sometimes join together to face a greater evil (Usually chaos), but I guess if they ever add more races, they're going to add to the existing factions. Judging by how xenophobic the Imperium is, I really think it would be better for them to be standalone race. Besides, it wouldn't really be fluffy to have a Farseer walking around an Imperial town, buying food from the local shops and that, would it?

Karon wrote:Eve Online is a genre of its own, I've played it before. Its indescribable to people who haven't played it.

I honestly can't wait for this game. I know that I will be one of the first to sign up on their forums once they open them up, and one of the first to pre-order.

That game will be mine.

I like the word "BIG" when describing Eve online... the word "daunting" is another.

Seriously, nobody can rival EVE in its size. It is, literally, epic.

Look up the definition for Epic, kiddies. The only things that are epic are Books/Tales of great heroes, oceans, and the cosmos. You going to Mcdonalds isn't epic.

Guys, Vigil has NEVER announced that there is only two factions.

I mean, there is reason to believe the Imperium is a faction of its own...why was it announced alone when Orks seemed to be in the same stage of development judging by the video?