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crimsonfist832 wrote:It cant be, I was reading a review in PC Games and it said that Vigil have prepared themselves for a mikstake like that, because if they mess up they will be tracked down by angry fans everywhere. I agree Kingcracker, I also have something to stay me over until DMO is out, i have the wonderfully free Allods Online and DoW2 Retribution out in March.

Yea I want to try that game out BADLY! but my current PC just commits suicide in the bath tub when I try it. But Im getting a nice tax return this year, so my new PC will be here sometime in the next monthish.

Is Allods really as good as it looks?! Because it looks awesome

For a free mmorpg, Allods Online in my eyes owns the free genre, its really good and its set out quite well. Theres an in-game boutique that lets you buy things using gpoints, which are points bought using real money, players say because its free why not get a little something for yourself, but, yeh Kingcracker, Allods is good

It's just a generic fantasy MMORPG to me, so let's talk about DMO instead.

Karon wrote:Guys, Vigil has NEVER announced that there is only two factions.

Over here it says,

You mentioned in another interview that there will only be two overall factions in the game. Can you explain how this will work and what armies will be working together?

We are working very closely with Games Workshop to ensure that the experience that we will deliver in Warhammer 40,000: Dark Millennium Online will remain true and faithful to the IP. We know that this particular issue has been a subject of much debate. However, once we have finished revealing all of the races, classes and key storylines for the game and how they all interrelate to one another, we know that the fans are going to love it. How could they not when Games Workshop is closely working with us on making sure that the game stays true to the lore and the IP.

I'm not sure where the interview they are referring to is though.

Also, the game's website says:

Side with the forces of Order, or the vile hosts of Destruction,

Good=Man, Eldar, Tau?
Bad=Chaos, Deldar, Orks

Good luck explaining Orks allying with anything. They either get used by a smarter faction, or they stomp on everyone.


I'm not expecting Tau or Deldar in the first release. Necrons won't be PC for the same reasons as Nids, probably the main enemy for an expansion.

Doubt Inquisition will be playable since 5000 Inquisitors on one planet... no go. Will probably have a purely quest based function.

Daemons same as nids and necron's, with the added bonus of maybe being intricate with CSM's powers and quests. Chaos guard probably won't show their face in this.

/Speculation.

Just because Inquisition is playable doesn't mean everyone's an Inquisitor. "Inquisition" also includes inquisitorial servants under the Inquisitor's command, which theoretically is almost everyone in the Imperium, but in practice is a select cadre of varying size depending on the nature of the Inquisitor (some control huge masses of servants, others are more loner do it yourself type inquisitors).

Melissia wrote:Just because Inquisition is playable doesn't mean everyone's an Inquisitor. "Inquisition" also includes inquisitorial servants under the Inquisitor's command, which theoretically is almost everyone in the Imperium, but in practice is a select cadre of varying size depending on the nature of the Inquisitor (some control huge masses of servants, others are more loner do it yourself type inquisitors).

Yeah, I know the lore, and most of the inquisitorial "classes" can be found in other cases too, and since it's a combat oriented game, that kind of limits it to gunmen/assasins/psykers since they can hardly make you every possible human thing you can think of. And if you can be an Inquisitor you will still be seeing to many of them. I think the Inquisition will have the role of end game Imperial NPC's.

Probably. I'm just saying its not the only way to happen.

Also, I hope I can play a psyker. An Imperial one, not some douchey little Marine psyker.

Just speculating here, I'm not saying it's impossible, just.. highly unlikely since the other factions/races etc are so much easier to work with.

Only imperial Class I'm interested in is Tech Priest, and when I get bored with Orks and TP I might try guard.

Didn't they (THQ) say that Space Marines/CSM's wouldn't be available right off and would have to be unlocked? I recall reading that somewhere.

I don't believe so.

Karon wrote:I don't believe so.

Did some looking around and found the interview with one of the developers:

It has a lot of the same qualities of WOW in terms of ease of use and how the interface is. I want to say that if you play WOW, you'll be able to jump into Dark Millennium Online really easy.

But you won't be able to be a Space Marine right away, because that's a very unique class, if you know the universe. The road there is a great road, and they are in the game.

Very interesting. This suggests that you will start off as a scout, and branch off as you go, possibly.

I can't imagine this game coming out anytime soon. They barely have anything up on the website - I wanna know more about the classes.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I can't imagine this game coming out anytime soon. They barely have anything up on the website - I wanna know more about the classes.

Its last reported date was March of 2013.

This game is going to fail where every other mmorpg fails and the rp part will consist of you being called a noob for not knowing how to cast Gaymanzius Mechanicus with your level 2 psyker class wizard with the cloak of light + 9.

Also there is no way they are going to string together a plot in an mmorpg without taking extreme liberties with the fluff. Which would annoy the part of me which enjoys reading black library novels.

Not for me. Maybe we could have like a single player rpg based around Dark heresy rules in the same way Baldurs gate/Neverwinter were based on AD&D rules. That would be cool.

whatwhat wrote:This game is going to fail where every other mmorpg fails and the rp part will consist of you being called a noob for not knowing how to cast Gaymanzius Mechanicus with your level 2 psyker class wizard with the cloak of light + 9.

Also there is no way they are going to string together a plot in an mmorpg without taking extreme liberties with the fluff. Which would annoy the part of me which enjoys reading black library novels.

Not for me. Maybe we could have like a single player rpg based around Dark heresy rules in the same way Baldurs gate/Neverwinter were based on AD&D rules. That would be cool.

Your claims are baseless, as we have almost no information on DMO yet.

Having a single player RPG based on DH rules would be phenomenal. Have BioWare do it, and it'll be gravy

A game using the DH rules would be great and would last abpout 60 seconds before TPK and you have to start over.

Two factions, a colorful bright world. I think it's gona suck. The factions thing, i mean honestly? Servants of Khorne side with dark eldar and orks because? Its not because he need friends to find a higher level chainsword is it? Or does it concern the book we have to get for the Archon?

It will be a whole new level of silly.

I hope i'm wrong, cos if I am then I will play the lego rpg which i beta tested.

Bossasaurus wrote:a colorful bright world.

Considering it is still about two years away I think it is nice that you have gotten a look at the final world. Care to enlighten us? Considering Dark Eldar haven't really been mentioned at all I am glad to here that not only are they in the game, you understand how they work and who they are fighting with.

Oh, dark eldar are just a shot in the dark- but i assume you've seen the trailers, and all those screen shots showing imp classes, like the duel bolt pistol templar and what not.

Karon wrote:

whatwhat wrote:This game is going to fail where every other mmorpg fails and the rp part will consist of you being called a noob for not knowing how to cast Gaymanzius Mechanicus with your level 2 psyker class wizard with the cloak of light + 9.

Also there is no way they are going to string together a plot in an mmorpg without taking extreme liberties with the fluff. Which would annoy the part of me which enjoys reading black library novels.

Not for me. Maybe we could have like a single player rpg based around Dark heresy rules in the same way Baldurs gate/Neverwinter were based on AD&D rules. That would be cool.

Your claims are baseless, as we have almost no information on DMO yet.

Which claim are you referring to?

whatwhat wrote:This game is going to fail where every other mmorpg fails and the rp part will consist of you being called a noob for not knowing how to cast Gaymanzius Mechanicus with your level 2 psyker class wizard with the cloak of light + 9.

Give me one example of an mmorpg where any actual role play happens? It doesn't. It's full of people going: "I'm level 10 in debauchery" "I'm level 2" "lolz! What a noob." mmorpg's seem to have taken rpgs, made them multiplayer and sidelined or got rid of the reason I enjoy playing rpgs.

whatwhat wrote:Also there is no way they are going to string together a plot in an mmorpg without taking extreme liberties with the fluff. Which would annoy the part of me which enjoys reading black library novels.

For example: How is any storyline going to explain why there are so many inquisitors on one planet? Why are so many races in one place? The eye of terror campaign had enough trouble explaining that one and that's the most war torn area of the galaxy (An honorary Ultramarine company? Very funny GW). It will end up like Dark Crusade with strained explanations as to why this place has so much going on.

We don't know how they are going to handle anything. So you straight up saying 'Oh, this game will fail because it will!" is ridiculous.

Giving "every mmo fails" as a reason, isn't a reason.

Karon wrote:We don't know how they are going to handle anything. So you straight up saying 'Oh, this game will fail because it will!" is ridiculous.

Giving "every mmo fails" as a reason, isn't a reason.

I didn't say any of that. What I said was: this game is going to fail where every other MMORPG fails and sideline the roleplay aspect. I didn't say the game would straight up fail, but in that particular aspect it will. There may be many other aspects of the game which work very well. But it's a dealbreaker for me personally.

And I didn't I say "every mmo fails" or give it as a reason for anything. I'm base my own opinions on the fact it has been this way with every game in the genre before it and I have seen nothing so far to see how this game will be any different. That's right, I am expressing my own opinions here, not stating objective fact.

whatwhat wrote:

Karon wrote:We don't know how they are going to handle anything. So you straight up saying 'Oh, this game will fail because it will!" is ridiculous.

Giving "every mmo fails" as a reason, isn't a reason.

I didn't say any of that. What I said was: this game is going to fail where every other MMORPG fails and sideline the roleplay aspect. I didn't say the game would straight up fail, but in that particular aspect it will. There may be many other aspects of the game which work very well. But it's a dealbreaker for me personally.

And I didn't I say "every mmo fails" or give it as a reason for anything. I'm base my own opinions on the fact it has been this way with every game in the genre before it and I have seen nothing so far to see how this game will be any different. That's right, I am expressing my own opinions here, not stating objective fact.

They don't all hard up fail though, you just need to know where to look.

WoW has a very active roleplaying community spread across the RP servers. However, it's only really on the RP servers that WoW manages to actually have a successful role-play aspect, where it's actually a reportable offense to grief role-players. But, if there is dedicated servers to it, and dedicated servers to PvP etc., then that's kinda to be expected.

whatwhat wrote:

Karon wrote:We don't know how they are going to handle anything. So you straight up saying 'Oh, this game will fail because it will!" is ridiculous.

Giving "every mmo fails" as a reason, isn't a reason.

I didn't say any of that. What I said was: this game is going to fail where every other MMORPG fails and sideline the roleplay aspect. I didn't say the game would straight up fail, but in that particular aspect it will. There may be many other aspects of the game which work very well. But it's a dealbreaker for me personally.

And I didn't I say "every mmo fails" or give it as a reason for anything. I'm base my own opinions on the fact it has been this way with every game in the genre before it and I have seen nothing so far to see how this game will be any different. That's right, I am expressing my own opinions here, not stating objective fact.

I apologize, I clearly misread. Damn you internet!

Though, I would like to say (I think the guy above me already said it) that there are RP servers for this reason. I used to be part of the RPPVP Twisting Nether server, and I was a part of a griefing RP guild. As in, we went around and griefed other Rp'ers in an RP fashion, by killing them because we were a mercenary lord. People payed us to kill other people.

I would guess that there will be RP or RPPVP servers that can fill your RP needs.

Karon wrote:

whatwhat wrote:

Karon wrote:We don't know how they are going to handle anything. So you straight up saying 'Oh, this game will fail because it will!" is ridiculous.

Giving "every mmo fails" as a reason, isn't a reason.

I didn't say any of that. What I said was: this game is going to fail where every other MMORPG fails and sideline the roleplay aspect. I didn't say the game would straight up fail, but in that particular aspect it will. There may be many other aspects of the game which work very well. But it's a dealbreaker for me personally.

And I didn't I say "every mmo fails" or give it as a reason for anything. I'm base my own opinions on the fact it has been this way with every game in the genre before it and I have seen nothing so far to see how this game will be any different. That's right, I am expressing my own opinions here, not stating objective fact.

I apologize, I clearly misread. Damn you internet!

Though, I would like to say (I think the guy above me already said it) that there are RP servers for this reason. I used to be part of the RPPVP Twisting Nether server, and I was a part of a griefing RP guild. As in, we went around and griefed other Rp'ers in an RP fashion, by killing them because we were a mercenary lord. People payed us to kill other people.

I would guess that there will be RP or RPPVP servers that can fill your RP needs.

Dude, you weren't a member of 'The Grim' were you?

<--- Former TN player myself, and still proud, if barely active, member of the Twisting Nether Gazette.

I've said this before, many times.

This could've been squad-based, as well as based on the existing points system for the tabletop game (your allotted points = your level), and every single race (as well as every single unit) would've been viable. Fill out the low pop races with NPCs, and every single race could've also been it's own faction.

Instead, they had to use WoW as a template. This game is going to fail so hard it isn't even funny. All you hopefulls make me chuckle.