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We (IG) got bigger robots: we win.

That said, previous posts led me to consider dreadnought stolen/improved/re-used by the taus... Sound cool

Kilkrazy wrote:Isn't phase technology the Necron trick?

Imperium and Necrons have it.Read Planetstrike,cursed IA 5-7 and Rouge Trader(not the RPG).

Tau are better in some areas, Imperium in others.
But in case of technology the Imperium is more advanced that Tau - for now at least.
When it comes to infantry, Tau has better equipped infantry. And their standard tactics are fast strikes on enemy flanks.
But, on the other hand Imperial Guard has thousands of years of combat experience and strategy, and with their numbers - they can make a stable front and thus preventing the Tau to attack them from side. And I am pretty sure that every more diciplined regiment (from Cadia, Vostroya, Krieg, Catachan...) can be more than match for any Tau strike force.
As for vehicles, Tau are on the losing side. They may have slightly stronger guns. But no tank in the galaxy is match for the Leman Russ battle tank. To mention Baneblade is to set overkill, and on 1 Tau tank comes countless Imperial...
In space battle, Tau fleet can't match only the biggest Imperial ships - like Emperor class and Battle Barges. But they have few tricks in space ( like that one time they disabled entire Necron fleet and destroyed it).
In everything else Imperium is technologicly very advanced. Space Marines are the top of Imperium technological advancement, and we have Titans, teleportation, warp travel...

Imperium has a way better tech than Tau.

If the Imperium turn their full attention to the Tau it's curtains. The fleet and WMDs alone would be enough to leave the Tau a smoldering ruin.

The Tau better pray for another warp storm; maybe they can catch up in tech to compensate. Or they can pray to the star gods to lengthen their lifespans and then become necrons...

IvanTih wrote:
It comes from 1st edition.

On the thread.

The Tau are roughly par on the Imperium in the terms of technology.By the way Tau don't have phase technology(IoM uses it to bypass defenses).

1st edition? You mean W40K first ed??? Damn, I was not even born at the time!

Spam the forum.
KK posts a hot japanese girl telling us to not spam the forum.

Herein lies the problem...


Those who fight for the Greater Good are surely greater.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I see your battlesuit and raise with Tactical Dreadnought Armour, Warp Drives, Land Speeders and Nova Cannons. Oh, and Vortex weaponry.

I see your TDA and raise you a Broadside battlesuit. Same save, higher strength and is capable of a 4+ invulnerable and comes standard with t/l railguns.
You got 'em with the warp drive.
Land Speeder, say hello to the piranha.
Nova Cannon...dunno what that is.
Vortex weapons, the same things that can randomly go back and kill the guy that shot it? Yeah, we'll pass.

Yeah, the assassin phase swords were always called C'tan Phase swords and are lost iof they fight a C;'tan as the blade melds with the C'tan,,,,Damn you Deceiver!!(shakes fist at Deceiver model on desk)

That and the Tau cannot even conceive of just how many humans there are in the galaxy! On hiveworld is as many people as their entire Empire!

Tech wise, what the Tau are getting better at the IoM has long ago lost!

I knew this thread was going to be hijacked by Imperium fanboys and tards.

The Imperium is decrepit and corrupt. They are bigger enemies than the Tau who are relatively one of FEW the "good guys" in 40k (along with Eldar).

They can be reasoned with, have diplomatic relations with. Why the HELL WOULD THE IMPERIUM dedicate huge amounts of resources to crush the Tau when the Tyranids are overrunning half the galaxy?

I bet these tards would even argue the Imperium has better technology than the Eldar - THEY DON'T. The Tau is scientific, open-minded, and advancing.

Just because the Imperium is bigger and "badder" but that wasn't the question.

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Doriangray, telling to other users of this forum that they are retards and a@@holes will not do much good to the credibility of your point. It won't help the conversation either.

agnosto wrote:
Nova Cannon...dunno what that is.

A nova cannon is one of the biggest weapons in the arsenals of the IoM. It is a massive artillery piece mounted on the prow of some imperial ships. Its recoil and the power needed to operate it are so important that it can only be mounted on cruiser-or-above ships.
Basically it works like a gauss cannon. A massive projectile is launched into space via magnetic or gravitic accelerators at a velocity close to light speed. It is remotely detonated by its ship of origin once it is close enough to its target. Its explosive power is said to be even greater than a dozen plasma bombs packed together. The resulting detonation is usually big enough to engulf the entire ennemy vessel in an orb of plasma fire.

In brief, it is some really badass stuff.

agnosto wrote:
Vortex weapons, the same things that can randomly go back and kill the guy that shot it? Yeah, we'll pass.

No, like the Vortex Staves carried by Fabricator Generals that cause the damage of a Vortex device (that is, complete annihilation) in only the things they hit with it.

Laodamia wrote:Doriangray, telling to other users of this forum that they are retards and a@@holes will not do much good to the credibility of your point. It won't help the conversation either.

agnosto wrote:
Nova Cannon...dunno what that is.

A nova cannon is one of the biggest weapons in the arsenals of the IoM. It is a massiva artillery piece mounted on the prow of some imperial ships. Its recoil and the power needed to operate it are so important that it can only be mounted on cruiser-or-above ships.
Basically it works like a gauss cannon. A massive projectile is launched into space via magnetic or gravitic accelerators at a velocity close to light speed. It is remotely detonated by its ship of origin once it is close enough to its target. Its explosive power is said to be even greater than a dozen plasma bombs packed together. The resulting detonation is usually big enough to engulf the entire ennemy vessel in an orb of plasma fire.

In brief, it is some really badass stuff.

Nova Cannons are rather a system of weapons(standard is the implosion warhead which produces black hole upon implosion as per Cadian Blood),then we have energy Nova Cannon from Dark Apostole and plasma Nova Cannon on an Ordinatus.

Look no further than the Novel: Courage and Honor to find canon examples of Tau as**olery and Imperial Guard WTF PWNING them with Baneblades. The novel is basically a dissection of how the Tau can't deal with a straight stand up fight with heavy IOM armor and attritional mass warfare.

A bog standard Baneblade Superheavy Tank called Father Time tanked being fired upon by an entire formation of Tau Hammerheads armed with railguns with nothing to show for it other than a few inch deep craters, a wrecked sponsoon gun, and a banged up paint job.

LOL! all of my armies are at Apoc level points!
Tau/IG/SM/Orks. No less then 7k and all capping about 15k at the highest.

My Tau Broadsides have killed a Baneblade in i turn as my best killtime.

Just hurts when My Ig are on the receiving end of Tau Tech!

shasolenzabi wrote:LOL! all of my armies are at Apoc level points!
Tau/IG/SM/Orks. No less then 7k and all capping about 15k at the highest.

My Tau Broadsides have killed a Baneblade in i turn as my best killtime.

Just hurts when My Ig are on the receiving end of Tau Tech!

You're trolling and game mechanics don't represent the fluff accurately.

DorianGray wrote:I knew this thread was going to be hijacked by Imperium fanboys and tards.

The Imperium is decrepit and corrupt. They are bigger enemies than the Tau who are relatively one of FEW the "good guys" in 40k (along with Eldar).

They can be reasoned with, have diplomatic relations with. Why the HELL WOULD THE IMPERIUM dedicate huge amounts of resources to crush the Tau when the Tyranids are overrunning half the galaxy?

I bet these tards would even argue the Imperium has better technology than the Eldar - THEY DON'T. The Tau is scientific, open-minded, and advancing.

Just because the Imperium is bigger and "badder" but that wasn't the question.

A@@holes.

Imperium are also "good guys", just look at their struggle with Chaos, Necrons and Tyranids.
And if you didn't notice, the Imperium is in PEACE with the Tau since the end of Damocles Crusade.
Eldar have one of the best technologies in the galaxy, only Necrons have better. And Tau are not far behind.
Imperium is indeed BIGGER, and have some technologies that are better than the Tau.

And speaking about Eldar - they are race of retards and idiots. They are on the edge of destruction, yet instead of finding some planet and repopularize race - they are losing way to many warriors in battles they are barely winning. And instead of working with the Imperials, who represents their best hope in defeating the Necrons (irony), they seek to destroy them all - even if that is impossible to them. The greatest fail for Eldar, to me, was in DoW II:
Farseer: Wed will destroy this three Human worlds and stop Hive Fleet from devouring the Eldar. We shall use Orks to slow them down and we will blow up Meridian to deny them biomass to reproduce.
Warlock: But Farseer, Humans have large concentration of troops on this worlds. And Space Marines are also seen there, maybe we can provide them assistance in battle against Tyranids? Or maybe even warn them to better prepare against incoming Tyranids.
Farseer: No, we will go according to plan. This Humans are already dead, they are to primitive to stand against them.

Result: Orks dead, Tyranids dead, Eldar dead - Space Marines kick ass.

IvanTih wrote:
Look no further than the Novel: Courage and Honor to find canon examples of Tau as**olery and Imperial Guard WTF PWNING them with Baneblades. The novel is basically a dissection of how the Tau can't deal with a straight stand up fight with heavy IOM armor and attritional mass warfare.

A bog standard Baneblade Superheavy Tank called Father Time tanked being fired upon by an entire formation of Tau Hammerheads armed with railguns with nothing to show for it other than a few inch deep craters, a wrecked sponsoon gun, and a banged up paint job.

Yeah, one would never expect a book written from the perspective of the imperium to show the Tau as awesome,,,,,

Mikalichou wrote:We (IG) got bigger robots: we win.

That said, previous posts led me to consider dreadnought stolen/improved/re-used by the taus... Sound cool

I think it's been said already that Titans don't fit the Tau. Titans can have a lot of firepower, but they are not very fast from what I understand. The Tau would rather fit the same scale of weaponry on something that moves faster. As a matter of fact I think that is what they did, aren't there some Air Cast "fighter-planes" loaded with Rail Guns?

I do agree though that if the IoM and the Tau started an all out war, Tau would lose. The Tau know this, thats why they use the Water Caste to spread pro Tau propaganda carefully through rogue traders etc.

Also I thought the Tau's stealth tech was greater than the Imperium, correct me if I'm wrong.

Also I thought the Tau's stealth tech was greater than the Imperium, correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, we have camo cloaks, and I *think* they can turn invisible or something?

the T'au actually started a Titan equivilent project upon encountering Titans for the first time, but scrapped it after deciding that they wouldn't be able to stand toe to toe with the IoM's titans and that Railguns were more effective.


the basic design was an oversized battlesuit the size of a warhound, complete with Jump Jets.

agnosto wrote:

IvanTih wrote:
Look no further than the Novel: Courage and Honor to find canon examples of Tau as**olery and Imperial Guard WTF PWNING them with Baneblades. The novel is basically a dissection of how the Tau can't deal with a straight stand up fight with heavy IOM armor and attritional mass warfare.

A bog standard Baneblade Superheavy Tank called Father Time tanked being fired upon by an entire formation of Tau Hammerheads armed with railguns with nothing to show for it other than a few inch deep craters, a wrecked sponsoon gun, and a banged up paint job.

Yeah, one would never expect a book written from the perspective of the imperium to show the Tau as awesome,,,,,

Facts are facts,don't use that Imperial Propaganda thing to handwave facts.

Facts are facts,don't use that Imperial Propaganda thing to handwave facts.

I think that if you read a Tau novel, you will find that can probably destroy a baneblade with only a railgun... He was not talking about propaganda, but about "I win because I'm the hero of the book"

If you go that way, in Fire Warrior, one basic Tau kills an impressive number of Chaos Marines, all alone, and we know that one space marine equals 1,000 IG soldiers ^^

IvanTih wrote:

agnosto wrote:

IvanTih wrote:
Look no further than the Novel: Courage and Honor to find canon examples of Tau as**olery and Imperial Guard WTF PWNING them with Baneblades. The novel is basically a dissection of how the Tau can't deal with a straight stand up fight with heavy IOM armor and attritional mass warfare.

A bog standard Baneblade Superheavy Tank called Father Time tanked being fired upon by an entire formation of Tau Hammerheads armed with railguns with nothing to show for it other than a few inch deep craters, a wrecked sponsoon gun, and a banged up paint job.

Yeah, one would never expect a book written from the perspective of the imperium to show the Tau as awesome,,,,,

Facts are facts,don't use that Imperial Propaganda thing to handwave facts.

"Star of Damocles" was from the imperium perspective, and the Tau wipe the floor with them in space combat. Imperium bring reinforcements, finally conquer the planet after exhausting their resources and then realize every single planet is just as powerful.

Overall, the Imperium has greater heights, but the Tau technology base is spread over more of it's entirety rather than isolated pockets.

But the Imperium is so big, could there be sections of it with overall better technology larger than the entire Tau Empire?

Mikalichou wrote:

If you go that way, in Fire Warrior, one basic Tau kills an impressive number of Chaos Marines, all alone, and we know that one space marine equals 1,000 IG soldiers ^^

That game is unrealistic, even for 40k standards. To compare, that means that I with very limited knowledge of combat and weapons can take down impressive number of US Special Forces (green berets). And one Space Marine is equal to 300 Imperial Guardsman.
Thank you very much ^^

agnosto wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I see your battlesuit and raise with Tactical Dreadnought Armour, Warp Drives, Land Speeders and Nova Cannons. Oh, and Vortex weaponry.

I see your TDA and raise you a Broadside battlesuit.

REALLY? You do realize that TDA is, bar none, THE most powerful form of personal armour in the Galaxy that you don't have to be permanently wired to, yes? This is fluff, not table-top, and even if it were table-top a 3++ is better than a 4++.

Nova Cannons are the railguns that Armageddon Class Battleships are built around. They fire plasma blobs at near the speed of light at enemy ships and gives them a bad hair day.

Brother Coa wrote:
And speaking about Eldar - they are race of retards and idiots. They are on the edge of destruction, yet instead of finding some planet and repopularize race - they are losing way to many warriors in battles they are barely winning. And instead of working with the Imperials, who represents their best hope in defeating the Necrons (irony), they seek to destroy them all - even if that is impossible to them. The greatest fail for Eldar, to me, was in DoW II:
Farseer: Wed will destroy this three Human worlds and stop Hive Fleet from devouring the Eldar. We shall use Orks to slow them down and we will blow up Meridian to deny them biomass to reproduce.
Warlock: But Farseer, Humans have large concentration of troops on this worlds. And Space Marines are also seen there, maybe we can provide them assistance in battle against Tyranids? Or maybe even warn them to better prepare against incoming Tyranids.
Farseer: No, we will go according to plan. This Humans are already dead, they are to primitive to stand against them.

Result: Orks dead, Tyranids dead, Eldar dead - Space Marines kick ass.

Oh god, don't bring DoW into this... Remember when the Blood Ravens eliminated the IMPERIAL GUARD in 2 separate campaigns (dark crusade and soul storm) ? oh yea, I do! The entire plot of DoW is built around fudging things to give everybody an excuse to fight each other- because its a real time strategy game- with space marines as the main characters in the campaigns.

The reason why the Eldar fought against the Blood Ravens in the first campaign, is because Gabriel Angelos (bless his heart, I do love him) actually released the demon that he was trying to destroy, despite explicit warnings from the Farseer about what would happen- way to go Gabe. Had the Eldar eliminated the Blood Ravens, and then there was a chance they'd beat the chaos forces and stop the release, if Blood Ravens won... 100% chance of Demon being released... as we saw happen.

I haven't played the DoW II campaign, but I fully recognize its obviously going to bend how things would go to give the space marines more missions against varied opponents.


The Eldar would probably be more willing to ally with the Imperium if both races weren't insanely elitist and xenophobic. also the Eldar do help the Imperium... when its in the Eldar's best interest Ulthwe did intervene on the side of the Imperium in the black crusade, did it not?

anyway back on topic, I have to agree that Imperium, for the time being has vastly superior tech on the whole, but the T'au, due to thier lower numbers, arm their individual soldiers better, giving them a tech advantage in localized battles against the IG, and at a slight tech disadvantage to Space Marines. This makes it seem like T'au is on the whole more technologically advanced than it is.

But this is now! T'au has potential and develpment, and knowledge of how their tech works. If nothing terrible happens, will surpass the modern Imperium in terms of tech- but they will never be able to match Eldar tech without psychers, and the C'Tan allow Necron tech to bend the rules of physics, so the T'au will never be able to reach the levels of those two.

akaean wrote:

The Eldar would probably be more willing to ally with the Imperium if both races weren't insanely elitist and xenophobic. also the Eldar do help the Imperium... when its in the Eldar's best interest Ulthwe did intervene on the side of the Imperium in the black crusade, did it not?

Yes they did, preventing Abaddon from getting hold of a Blackstone Fortress, although it did cost them Eldrad. Serves him right for sending Ghazzy to Armageddon!

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

agnosto wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I see your battlesuit and raise with Tactical Dreadnought Armour, Warp Drives, Land Speeders and Nova Cannons. Oh, and Vortex weaponry.

I see your TDA and raise you a Broadside battlesuit.

REALLY? You do realize that TDA is, bar none, THE most powerful form of personal armour in the Galaxy that you don't have to be permanently wired to, yes? This is fluff, not table-top, and even if it were table-top a 3++ is better than a 4++.

Nova Cannons are the railguns that Armageddon Class Battleships are built around. They fire plasma blobs at near the speed of light at enemy ships and gives them a bad hair day.

+1

Totally agree for the TDA. it is the single most badass piece of equipment created since the birth of the star gods.

By the way, the Armageddon class batllecruiser (not battleship) is equipped with prow-mounted torpedo tubes, not a nova cannon. But I'm just being neat.
I think you were referring to the Apocalypse class Battleship, which does field a nova cannon and looks a lot like the armageddon cruiser.

But the Apocalypse is not the only ship using a nova cannon. There is also the Mars-class battlecruiser, the Dominator-class cruiser and other specially modified ships.

agnosto wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I see your battlesuit and raise with Tactical Dreadnought Armour, Warp Drives, Land Speeders and Nova Cannons. Oh, and Vortex weaponry.

I see your TDA and raise you a Broadside battlesuit. Same save, higher strength and is capable of a 4+ invulnerable and comes standard with t/l railguns.
You got 'em with the warp drive.
Land Speeder, say hello to the piranha.
Nova Cannon...dunno what that is.
Vortex weapons, the same things that can randomly go back and kill the guy that shot it? Yeah, we'll pass.

Its hard to compare as the Imperium is so vast that their technology is highly variable from world to world.
In absolute terms the Imperium has the TAU beat at every level. In terms of what the Imperium are fielding against a particular target, its a different story.
Are we comparing the Tau land forces against IG head hunters with the latest in pointy sticks, Massed armor IG with superheavies and superior plasma/melta weaponry backed by Deathstrike missiles hitting you with vortex holes from a continent away, space dropping storm troopers with massed vultures and valkyries; advanced tech skitarrii backed by superheavy ordinance launchers and titan legions; or Marines?


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IvanTih wrote:

shasolenzabi wrote:LOL! all of my armies are at Apoc level points!
Tau/IG/SM/Orks. No less then 7k and all capping about 15k at the highest.

My Tau Broadsides have killed a Baneblade in i turn as my best killtime.

Just hurts when My Ig are on the receiving end of Tau Tech!

You're trolling and game mechanics don't represent the fluff accurately.

They do moreso in Epic...of course Tau broadsides would get smeared across the road by a baneblade in Epic...


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