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Witzkatz wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
Lasguns create a loud crack when fired.

the beam is also visible.


this is because the lasgun doesn't actually fire a Laser.


the Lasgun uses a laser to agitate a gas in a special chamber. the gas then changes into plasma and is ejected from the barrel of the gun at hypersonic speed.


the sonic boom(or crack) is the plasma leaving the barrel really fast.

the "laser beam" is actually an after-image left by the plasma pulse.

Could you cite sources for that? I don't believe that is actually the case.

It's not for 40K. He's confusing Star Wars Blasters for Lasguns.

Couldn't you take silenced weapons in the 4th ed. version of Kill Teams? That is a situation where it would be applicable.

Haven't had a chance to comb through all of Killzone, but I'd wager they're in there as well.

I'd assume that the Assassinorum Temples have access to various types of silent, silenced or at least suppressed guns.

I imagine the lasguns making some sort of snap as the capacitors discharge followed by a [i]hiss[/] on impact. Also, capacitor whine between shots. That said, the charge/discharge of the capacitors would still be quieter than a suppressed firearm.

Grey Templar wrote:Lasguns create a loud crack when fired.

the beam is also visible.


this is because the lasgun doesn't actually fire a Laser.


the Lasgun uses a laser to agitate a gas in a special chamber. the gas then changes into plasma and is ejected from the barrel of the gun at hypersonic speed.


the sonic boom(or crack) is the plasma leaving the barrel really fast.

the "laser beam" is actually an after-image left by the plasma pulse.

You're thinking of Tau pulse rifles there, I believe. Lasguns are lasers, with the crack produced in a similar manner to a thunderclap, as the air the beam passes through superheats and expands, causing an audible shockwave.

Heres a picture of a Elysian sniper rifle made by FW

...And?

That's a reinforced barrel, same as any long-las.

Silencers are used in the IG book Rebel Winter.

"Snipers from other companies tended to favor the long-las. It was a fine weapon, highly accurate, but its bright beam gave the shooter's position away. On the orders of the late Major Dubrin, Fifth Company snipers employed hand-crafted, Voystroyan-made rifles that fires solid ammunition. It was a harder weapon to master than the Long-las, but a sniper with good cover could take down target after target without giving himself away.
Shalkova (the name of the snipers rifle) was fitted with flash and noise suppressors."


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Oh and I don't think it's reflected in the rules but don't the rifles of Ratlings have silencers?

Silencers are also used in "Traitor General", "Guns of Tanith", "Malleus", and a great many other places.

The reinforced barrel is often portryaed as a silencer as well.

And to replie to Warboss Imbad: I'm not sure thier guns have a silencer or not thier guns aren't really specifed what type of sniper they are even so I cant say

Yak9UT wrote:The reinforced barrel is often portrayed as a silencer as well.

No it's not.

It's portrayed as a flash suppressor.

And to reply to Warboss Imbad: I'm not sure their guns have a silencer or not their guns aren't really specified what type of sniper they are even so I cant say.

Their rifles, fluffwise, are long-lases same as most Guard snipers.

Rules-wise, they're just called "sniper rifles".

Kanluwen wrote:

Yak9UT wrote:The reinforced barrel is often portrayed as a silencer as well.

No it's not.

It's portrayed as a flash suppressor.

And to reply to Warboss Imbad: I'm not sure their guns have a silencer or not their guns aren't really specified what type of sniper they are even so I cant say.

Their rifles, fluffwise, are long-lases same as most Guard snipers.

Rules-wise, they're just called "sniper rifles".

A flash Supressor? You don't mean just Supressor (silencer)?

Supressor remove both sound and reduce flash of a gun.

So what your saying is that the Flash supressor only supresses the flash of the gun?

Not the sound?

A flash Supressor? You don't mean just Supressor (silencer)?

Supressor remove both sound and reduce flash of a gun.

So what your saying is that the Flash supressor only supresses the flash of the gun?

Not the sound?

No, I do not mean a suppressor.

A "suppressor" is a "silencer" that also incorporates the benefits of a "flash suppressor". Flash suppressors are integral parts of most modern military firearms.

You cannot "suppress" a las weapon. You can, however, reduce the flash generated.
Larkin explained it in one of the early books when he was hallucinating and talking to a statue.

a superssor for a sniper in the real world is useless as you relocate after each shot to minimise the risk of discovery

fatrhertime13 wrote:a superssor for a sniper in the real world is useless as you relocate after each shot to minimise the risk of discovery

I presume the supressor is used to help minimize the chance of discovery as well as moving each time...

Clade Vindicare weapons have suppressors.

Space marine scout snipers appear to have silencers on their barrels.

Well space marine tech can use silencers.

Now take the eldar they can use a diferent energy burst to reduce noise and improve acuracy.

Like the Ranger weapon,

Eldar migth have the most sound free guns in 40k.

But for actual silencers i think maybe imperial guard, and TAU with the stealth suits (not sure about this), and the tau sniper robots.

Long-las may be silenced, not sure, but anyway, most people tend to notice when the guy next to ya loses his head. *pop* - headshot!

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Long-las may be silenced, not sure, but anyway, most people tend to notice when the guy next to ya loses his head. *pop* - headshot!

lol yeah

Mad Larkin in the Gaunt's Ghost series has used silenced sniper rifles, and in one of the first few books had a silencer on his lasrifle (how that works, you'll have to ask Dan Abnett).

Scifi_99 wrote:Well space marine tech can use silencers.

Now take the eldar they can use a diferent energy burst to reduce noise and improve acuracy.

Like the Ranger weapon,

Eldar migth have the most sound free guns in 40k.

But for actual silencers i think maybe imperial guard, and TAU with the stealth suits (not sure about this), and the tau sniper robots.

I doubt the Stealth suits do, their suits just make them harder to see they don't supress sound. And by the time the enemy notices that they're there it's usually too late. And I REALLY doubt that rail rifles are silenced.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Mad Larkin in the Gaunt's Ghost series has used silenced sniper rifles, and in one of the first few books had a silencer on his lasrifle (how that works, you'll have to ask Dan Abnett).

Once again: he does not. He used a flash suppressor, which was integral with the strengthened barrel that he swaps in.

He's never used a silenced sniper rifle. He used a silenced autopistol in "Traitor General" and his personal long-las.

Kanluwen wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Mad Larkin in the Gaunt's Ghost series has used silenced sniper rifles, and in one of the first few books had a silencer on his lasrifle (how that works, you'll have to ask Dan Abnett).

Once again: he does not. He used a flash suppressor, which was integral with the strengthened barrel that he swaps in.

He's never used a silenced sniper rifle. He used a silenced autopistol in "Traitor General" and his personal long-las.

And besides, the baffles in a silencer would work for a las-rifle or an autogun. They redistribute the energy that creates sound regardless of its source.

The flash suppressor would be pointless in a laser based weapon (not to say he didn't have one in the book) because all of the light exiting the gun is concentrated anyway. There's not excess engery to push out the sides of the barrel.

The sound from a las weapon can't be suppressed. It's caused by the air being superheated.

You'd have to silence the air.

You can, however, tone down the light emitted.

Kanluwen wrote:The sound from a las weapon can't be suppressed. It's caused by the air being superheated.

You'd have to silence the air.

You can, however, tone down the light emitted.

There is no excess light emitted though. As a laser, it's concentrated into a beam that you can't really see. It's described in the epilogue to Necropolis

Except most 'lasers' you won't actually see outside of having very specific circumstances.

Look at a laser rangefinder. The light is outside of the visible spectrum--unless there's smoke or just the right conditions.

Kanluwen wrote:Except most 'lasers' you won't actually see outside of having very specific circumstances.

Look at a laser rangefinder. The light is outside of the visible spectrum--unless there's smoke or just the right conditions.

What I'm trying to convey is that the flash supressor on a rifle redirects the light from the explosion of the gunpowder in other directions than outward.
A las-rifle, on the other hand, has no excess flash because as a laser, the light is focused together.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except most 'lasers' you won't actually see outside of having very specific circumstances.

Look at a laser rangefinder. The light is outside of the visible spectrum--unless there's smoke or just the right conditions.

What I'm trying to convey is that the flash supressor on a rifle redirects the light from the explosion of the gunpowder in other directions than outward.
A las-rifle, on the other hand, has no excess flash because as a laser, the light is focused together.

I'm well aware of how a flash suppressor works, thanks.

The point I'm conveying is that just because it's a laser weapon does not mean that it will be in the visible spectrum, nor that it will be a single continuous beam.

The 'beams' described in the various Guard novels are also noted as being the afterimages of the bolts, implying that they travel much like a bullet rather than a single coherent beam of light(like the Covenant in Halo's "Focus Rifle"). That also, in turn, implies that you could feasibly suppress the flash from the rifle going off.

Kanluwen wrote:

Son 0f Dorn wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Except most 'lasers' you won't actually see outside of having very specific circumstances.

Look at a laser rangefinder. The light is outside of the visible spectrum--unless there's smoke or just the right conditions.

What I'm trying to convey is that the flash supressor on a rifle redirects the light from the explosion of the gunpowder in other directions than outward.
A las-rifle, on the other hand, has no excess flash because as a laser, the light is focused together.

I'm well aware of how a flash suppressor works, thanks.

The point I'm conveying is that just because it's a laser weapon does not mean that it will be in the visible spectrum, nor that it will be a single continuous beam.

The 'beams' described in the various Guard novels are also noted as being the afterimages of the bolts, implying that they travel much like a bullet rather than a single coherent beam of light(like the Covenant in Halo's "Focus Rifle"). That also, in turn, implies that you could feasibly suppress the flash from the rifle going off.

The bolt itself makes light, but where has it ever been described that the barrel does when fired?