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FWIW, mine are
LRBT- Hull Hbolter
Demolisher - Plasma Sponsons, Hull Hbolter
Executioner - HHB, Plasma Sponsons

Rarely does anything cause as strong of a "must die" reaction in my lists like the Executioner and the Manticore.

Stella Cadente wrote:

sourclams wrote:FWIW the maxed out Punisher w/out Pask kills less than 6 Boyz with a cover save.

for what its worth (down with acronyms!) why are you firing your 20 shot tank at orks in cover?

Because you are playing orks and there isn't a better target since S5 does nothing agianst their wagons, barely does anything against their cans, and everything else is also in cover?

The punisher is one of those cool in theory, but crappy on the table units. Sure, there are those games where it does really well, and you remember that every time you make a list and include it, forgetting about all those games where it did almost nothing.

If you are going to bring an AV 14 fire platform, at least give it a good gun, that can harm a large number of target types. that leaves out the Vanq, and the punisher, as each are only good against specific targets. I personally like the basic one, or the demolisher for close in work. The executioner is pretty expensive, but quite effective.

Executioner

Sourclams: I am not arguing that Punishers are Good; just that Your scenario makes them better. An Executioner(with Plasma Sponsons) lands 16.5 hits, 13.5 Wounds, and Kills 6.75(assuming that every PC shot hits 3 Boyz, which is not as likely even with more bunched troops).

200 point Punisher(Tri-HB) vs 200 points of guard(4 infantry Platoons, no upgrades) (T4 models 4+ armor+ Cover saves applicable)

24.000001"-36"
Punisher fires 9 shots, 4.5 hit, 3 Wound, 1.5 wounds stick.
Blob is out of Range.

12.000001"-24"
Punisher fires 29 shots, 14.5 hit, 9.666 wound, 4.833 wounds stick.
Blob Fires 36 shots, 18 hit, 6 wound, 3 wounds stick.

1.000001"-12"
Punisher fires 29 shots, 14.5 hit, 9.666 wound, 4.833 wounds stick.
Blob Fires 76 shots, 38 hit, 12.666 wound, 6.333 wounds stick.

add all those up for enemy units moving 6"/turn and you get a punisher kill rate of 17.499 before it gets assaulted. the Blob Scores 12.333 before it gets assaulted. these are both assuming that none of the blob-members get killed as the enemy moves in, and the Punisher does not get Shaken/stunned/weapon destroyed/destroyed on the way in. The Blob may get to add a few kills when it gets assaulted.

Kommissar Kel wrote:Sourclams: I am not arguing that Punishers are Good; just that Your scenario makes them better. An Executioner(with Plasma Sponsons) lands 16.5 hits, 13.5 Wounds, and Kills 6.75(assuming that every PC shot hits 3 Boyz, which is not as likely even with more bunched troops).

200 point Punisher(Tri-HB) vs 200 points of guard(4 infantry Platoons, no upgrades) (T4 models 4+ armor+ Cover saves applicable)

24.000001"-36"
Punisher fires 9 shots, 4.5 hit, 3 Wound, 1.5 wounds stick.
Blob is out of Range.

12.000001"-24"
Punisher fires 29 shots, 14.5 hit, 9.666 wound, 4.833 wounds stick.
Blob Fires 36 shots, 18 hit, 6 wound, 3 wounds stick.

1.000001"-12"
Punisher fires 29 shots, 14.5 hit, 9.666 wound, 4.833 wounds stick.
Blob Fires 76 shots, 38 hit, 12.666 wound, 6.333 wounds stick.

add all those up for enemy units moving 6"/turn and you get a punisher kill rate of 17.499 before it gets assaulted. the Blob Scores 12.333 before it gets assaulted. these are both assuming that none of the blob-members get killed as the enemy moves in, and the Punisher does not get Shaken/stunned/weapon destroyed/destroyed on the way in. The Blob may get to add a few kills when it gets assaulted.

But the discussion is about types of Russ, not Blob v. Russ....

notabot187 wrote:and everything else is also in cover?

if everything infantry wise is in cover in an Ork army because of 1 tank I guess thats instant win then, WOOHOO, and the punisher has done its job by forcing the Orks to hug cover like its there own mother slowing them to a crawl while you capture objectives or blast bunched up ork units with your eradicators.

I wish I had leman russes...

I just run a standard LRBT with a hull lascannon. Move 6", shoot everything. Sounds good to me.

Just as everyone else: Basic LRBT with hull LC. However, I also like to take the (prepares for gasps from the crowd) Exterminator variant with Pask. But I generally only take that against Eldar, Tau, and Rhino Spam lists. I just can't pass up 4 TL Str 8 shots into armor 12 or less. It just works wonders for me. That and against any lightly armored unit it just destroys.

Actually, I think most people are fine with the Paskerminator. It's easily the best tank to put him in. Give it a hull LC and it can threaten any armor in the game. Lord knows I love the thing, and would use one if Armored Companies got to take Pask.

The executioner, because it scares marines so much that they only shoot at it and ignore everything else.

But my favourite russ is one thats taking fire so the vets can move in and win the game.