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What I was inferring was that it cannot be bought from Wayland on line, for example?

Why isn't more being made of the "Metal to Resin" rumor?!?

Because we're hoping that if we don't talk about it will go away and not happen...

I just bought telion and a chaplain this afternoon...

Crap

Not going out of production.

Just moving to Direct Only (Mailorder).

UK-Only from GW
US-LGS can order them and stock them, but they may come in generic packaging, and will be 10 points less discount.
Customers can order them from the Order Point in all GW stores.

GW is making a lot of room on their store shelves for the newest products by sending a lot of slow selling older stuff to Direct Only and that is probably what is happening here. The TTN post even suggests Direct Only as being the reason for this. I wouldn't panic about it. Every army update now includes a bunch of plastic box sets and they need to free up more shelf space than ever these days.

midget_overlord wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I'm sorry, "metal to resin"?

What?!?

First I've heard of this, too.

Harry from warseer seems to have confirmed this, no actual date as of yet, but seems like it could be soon...

rumors rumors

My sources have also been talking about this for some time. GW committed to moving away from metal over 2 years ago. More plastic kits, and resin miniatures.

There you have it then!

What, if anything, will this mean to pricing?

Dare I say... less expensive, right?

Cheaper raw materials, cheaper molds...

Of course, look out for the dust kids!

Alpharius wrote:There you have it then!

What, if anything, will this mean to pricing?

Dare I say... less expensive, right?

Cheaper raw materials, cheaper molds...

Of course, look out for the dust kids!

I hope the quality is better than FW...

If they're FW level quality, then we are quite simply fethed. No two ways about it.

I'd imagine GW would be better though.

And Alpha - c'mon, moving from resin to metal causing a price decrease? Something as big as this is the perfect excuse for an across-the-board price rise (plastics, paint, everything).



[EDIT]: Fine Mr. Mod who edited my post. I'll just type the full word and let the boards filtering system take care of it. Because replacing '*ck' with 'eth' makes it soooooo different...

Alpharius wrote:
What, if anything, will this mean to pricing?

Dare I say... less expensive, right?

Cheaper raw materials, cheaper molds...

equals... more money for GW!

I doubt well get a discount, and if we do, 6 months later there will be a price increase that will probably cover the savings, bringing us back to the same prices...

Privateer press and spartan games sell resin models, I have yet to hear of people complaining about these models where I play. But I don't spend time reading their forums either.

BrassScorpion wrote:GW is making a lot of room on their store shelves for the newest products by sending a lot of slow selling older stuff to Direct Only and that is probably what is happening here. The TTN post even suggests Direct Only as being the reason for this. I wouldn't panic about it. Every army update now includes a bunch of plastic box sets and they need to free up more shelf space than ever these days.

I would guess this, simply because it makes no sense to stop selling lines which are still popular and for which there is no alternative.

I really am amazed if they are moving to resin. If you think all the hoopla years ago about moving to white metal from the old lead-based metals, which was done on the grounds of safety for children (and I believe the new alloy they used was actually created by GW themselves).
And now they are talking about switching to something which can be tremendously harmful (and I would argue more dangerous than the old lead minis, its a lot easier to inhale some resin dust than accidentally swallow a space marine), while keeping the focus of the company on younger players coming into the hobby? That doesn't really add up.

It has to be profit margin, resin must be cheaper than metal, and like HBMC says will give an excuse for a simultaneous price rise.

And now they are talking about switching to something which can be tremendously harmful (and I would argue more dangerous than the old lead minis, its a lot easier to inhale some resin dust than accidentally swallow a space marine), while keeping the focus of the company on younger players coming into the hobby? That doesn't really add up.

Have to disagree. Heavy metal poisoning from handling lead would be a much more imminent threat than potential long-term effects of resin which is only producing dust if you file or sand it anyway. Additionally, children are especially susceptible to heavy metal poisoning because their brains are still developing.

Actually, resin substitutes for metal kits as a halfway step to converting some of the old metal kits to styrene is not totally implausible because molds for polyurethane resin are much cheaper to produce than the hard metal molds for polystyrene. But, there's really no precedent as yet for GW doing this, till now not a single model formerly made in pewter has moved to resin, only to styrene, so I'll believe it when I see it.

midget_overlord wrote:Privateer press and spartan games sell resin models, I have yet to hear of people complaining about these models where I play. But I don't spend time reading their forums either.

There's nothing wrong with resin miniatures per se, it's more the difference between good quality control (Scibor) and no quality control (Forge World).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

midget_overlord wrote:Privateer press and spartan games sell resin models, I have yet to hear of people complaining about these models where I play. But I don't spend time reading their forums either.

There's nothing wrong with resin miniatures per se, it's more the difference between good quality control (Scibor) and no quality control (Forge World).

And if GW can implement that, I'll be happy. Otherwise, it's back to plastic kit bashing everything I possibly can.

BrassScorpion wrote:

And now they are talking about switching to something which can be tremendously harmful (and I would argue more dangerous than the old lead minis, its a lot easier to inhale some resin dust than accidentally swallow a space marine), while keeping the focus of the company on younger players coming into the hobby? That doesn't really add up.

Have to disagree. Heavy metal poisoning from handling lead would be a much more imminent threat than potential long-term effects of resin which is only producing dust if you file or sand it anyway. Additionally, children are especially susceptible to heavy metal poisoning because their brains are still developing.

Huh? The dangers from "handling" metallic lead are fairly minimal, the greatest danger is that lead dust will be inhaled/ingested* . Which, as Pacific notes, is pretty much the exact same worry with resin models (the dust created by working the pieces). It just seems... off.

(*Organic lead compounds, of course, are far, far more readily absorbed through the skin, but they're not relevant here.)

BrassScorpion wrote:Actually, resin substitutes for metal kits as a halfway step to converting some of the old metal kits to styrene is not totally implausible because molds for polyurethane resin are much cheaper to produce than the hard metal molds for polystyrene. But, there's really no precedent as yet for GW doing this, till now not a single model formerly made in pewter has moved to resin, only to styrene, so I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm not sure I follow you here, why would going to resin be seen as a half-step towards plastic? Resin molds are of no use for making plastic kits, so it would create an additional cost; that is, if/when a kit that had been metal is made into resin, then into plastic, you have 2 obsolete molds hanging around rather then 1. If anything it would seem to be a step that makes more sense for a kit that would not be made into plastic.

To say nothing of GW having to create an entirely new infrastructure to produce the new resin kits (it seems very, very doubtful that FW could produce so many items for retail sales), which only increase costs for the venture.

I just don't see what the point would be; my impression (perhaps I'm wrong?) is that resin kits are for high-detail, low-production kits that are lovingly assembled and not hacked and jiggered to modify, a radically different proposition then plastic kits, which are easy to assemble and modify.

All of this just seems odd.

Why does every simple post on these forums require ten pages of exposition to explain them? (rhetorical)

First, yes, inhaling or ingesting lead is quite dangerous and I would suggest far more immediate in its deleterious effects than a little urethane dust. I know someone who filed their lead models years ago near their lunch and had to go to the hospital within hours with symptoms of heavy metal poisoning. I doubt you'd see anything like that with a little resin dust.

Second, by "half-step" I meant that figuratively not literally. In other words, it's a transition from metal, but not the full one that we'd expect to styrene kits like they have been doing. In no way was I saying that the molds for resin would in any way facilitate styrene molds. Too much was inferred from my first statement and far too literally.

This thread is already past its freshness date. Bye-ee.

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.... oh wait wrong revelation. Kinda surprised telion is on there, and that they'd put any chaplain model oop especially the jump pack one is wierd, we still have growing blood angel forces around Fort Bragg and they need them padres, definetly sucks to have to wait for them to figure out what they're going to do here.

BrassScorpion wrote:Why does every simple post on these forums require ten pages of exposition to explain them? (rhetorical)

Because your points are (pick all that apply); a) poorly thought out, b) poorly presented, c) simply wrong, d) presenting factually dubious information as authoritative, e) arguing with people who are correct? (rhetorical)

BrassScorpion wrote:First, yes, inhaling or ingesting lead is quite dangerous and I would suggest far more immediate in its deleterious effects than a little urethane dust. I know someone who filed their lead models years ago near their lunch and had to go to the hospital within hours with symptoms of heavy metal poisoning. I doubt you'd see anything like that with a little resin dust.

Soo... in order to take issue with my statement that "the greatest danger is that lead dust will be inhaled/ingested", you present an anecdote of lead dust being inhaled/ingested? And propose that the immediate impact of ingesting a heavy metal poison is different from ingesting a carcinogen? Mon Dieu!

BrassScorpion wrote:Second, by "half-step" I meant that figuratively not literally. In other words, it's a transition from metal, but not the full one that we'd expect to styrene kits like they have been doing. In no way was I saying that the molds for resin would in any way facilitate styrene molds. Too much was inferred from my first statement and far too literally.

Yeah, we kinda realized that "resin substitutes for metal kits as a halfway step to converting some of the old metal kits to styrene" didn't mean that you thought people were actually taking a hemi-stride. We did, however, imagine that you used the phrase "halfway step" to imply some partial degree of progress from one state to another, being as that is, after all, the meaning of that phrase.

Moving on.

Moving any kits, much less staple kits to resin just seems so counter-intuitive... it certainly doesn't seem to be something that would be at all amenable to introducing new customers to the products. I have serious doubts about any cost savings, so, really, what advantage is there?

Better quality? Sure, but as HMBC points out, that requires more QC, as well as new molds.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Thanks Kanners
What I was inferring was that it cannot be bought from Wayland on line, for example?

Usually direct only can be bought anywhere where GW stuff is sold anyway.
Wayland, to take up your example, even offers direct only stuff directly in their own store, for convenient´s sake. It only means two things: It´s most likely not in stock and has to be ordered specificaly from GW and you don´t get a discount on them since the stores won´t get a trader´s discount for them.

All in all it means that it won´t matter whether you buy from GW´s online store or your local GW since other stores would simply order it from GW anyway.

Alpharius wrote:Why isn't more being made of the "Metal to Resin" rumor?!?

Because only one person on Warseer deduced this and Harry made a cryptic remark about it in the "cryptic rumour for Fantasy this summer". So nobody wants to upset the womenfolk until some real rumour is there.

So, as an addition to this, Andy over at Heresy miniatures tweeted this link:

http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Then he added "Further to last post, have had it heavily implied to me by someone in the know that GW are switching to resin instead of metal."

I trust him enough that I wouldn't usually add salt. However, April 1st is only a few hours away, so we should be shovelling thathe white stuff on EVERYTHING until Monday

Leggy wrote:So, as an addition to this, Andy over at Heresy miniatures tweeted this link:

http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=32260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Then he added "Further to last post, have had it heavily implied to me by someone in the know that GW are switching to resin instead of metal."

I trust him enough that I wouldn't usually add salt. However, April 1st is only a few hours away, so we should be shovelling thathe white stuff on EVERYTHING until Monday

The inner cynic in me seems to think that any potential move to resin (from metal), assuming the rumour is true and not an April 1st jape, has less to do with modernising miniature production / passing cost reduction on to customers and has everything to do with justifying charging FW-esque prices instead. Imagine a single resin mini costing £20 to £30 in resin as opposed to £8 to £15 in metal. I sincerely hope not.

I was about to drive for 2 hours to go and get a terminator chaplain but now it's all ruined.

OrionDisciple. wrote:I was about to drive for 2 hours to go and get a terminator chaplain but now it's all ruined.

I don't think it means they are *immediately* withdrawn and all existing copies melted down for scrap you know. They will still sell existing stock.

mikhaila wrote:Not going out of production.

Just moving to Direct Only (Mailorder).

That makes sense. Good thing not going OOP, Snikrot is a great model and on my "pick up someday" list.



If GW is moving to resin lets hope its far better than FW quality. Moving to plastic is great, I love plastic minis. GW and resin makes me uneasy.

This probably means an Eldar update soon.

If the resin rumour is an April Fool, as it's still March, that just makes the originator an April Tool.

mikhaila wrote:Not going out of production.

Just moving to Direct Only (Mailorder).

UK-Only from GW
US-LGS can order them and stock them, but they may come in generic packaging, and will be 10 points less discount.
Customers can order them from the Order Point in all GW stores.

Who invited the store owner to post actual facts and stuff!?!

Resin MANz instead of a 10 pound hunk of metal? Yes please. Just dont price them to FW prices, or Ill continue to ignore them heavily.