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The issue with that is that the 2 missing Legions were basically removed for some failing.


Malcador warned Lorgar that his legion was getting dangerously close to the same happening to them when they were chastised.


it implies that those legions were destroyed.

Conceptually? I have no problem with genetically engineered female super soldiers.

However, the fluff has always had Astartes as male-only, and been very strong in that. Female Space Marines would just seem...awkward within that. Some fluff changes, but some you can't change without really making it derpy.

Honestly, I think the Sisters of Battle fit very well for people that want female Space Marines.

If they were brave enough, strong enough and worthy of being recruited, why not?

guyperson5 wrote:If they were brave enough, strong enough and worthy of being recruited, why not?

Fluff says SM genetic modifications only work with males.

Goddard wrote:How would they introduce this?

And suddenly, the Imperium remembered where 5,000 Space Marine Sisters were deployed thousands of years ago, and decided to recall them.

Hahahaha, That sir is ace.

but that's only if it was a lost chapter not just the girls who are integrated into any of the current armies. Do they get introduced after heresy to "bulk up" numbers and we can just start writing massive plots and stories that have already been told........ or can we?

We have a new female SC Inquisitor in Codex Grey Knights. I thought it was awesome. What are you guys complaining about?

I think this sums it up nicely: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357576.page#2622930

Additionally, GW is revealing more about the lost Legions and with 20 SONS its pretty much set.

May I ask why altered humans in fully enclosed armor need to come in both genders?

Isn't support for those already fielding both genders ( eldar, Guard, etc ) in Models prefferrable over a background change to fit in some figs
to tend to a vocal minority? GW/citadel is still selling Models ( and rules to field them ) mainly, and we have seen their sculpts of females...
so improved sculpts for basic humans ( guard and anything as armored as them ) and eldar with more mixed kits ( if moving kits to plastic )
should include females.

Sure, why not.

That it would piss off certain Marine fanboys would only add to my amusement.

Only if the models look good and have some good fluff behind them , like others have said they should have armour that looks like how the Halo: Reach female Spartan armour was. It didn’t look ridiculous and have giant breasts and had armour equivalent to that of the male Spartans. Sisters of Battle in my view just look stupid most of the time , there not really Space Marines but Power Armoured Nuns.

No, Sisters aren't Space Marines.

They never were. They're human.

I didn't say they were. I just said they look stupid.

Goddard wrote:How would they introduce this?

Let Ward handle it?

blood reaper wrote:I didn't say they were.

You might as well with how you worded that...

I certainly agree that they need to revamp the Sisters' breastplate to be more in line with their knight of the church leanings, though.

Hm Not against female models in general, but female space marines just don't work for me. I've seen the pics posted as well as others and I still don't like it. For some reason it feels wrong, can't say why.

Female guardsmen (or rather, guardswomen?) on the other hand make sense and should probably be introduced in the model range (if the sculpts are anything decent). I like SoB models as well and they fit. Female Space Marines just doesn't seem right to me.

I can see the Sisters of Battle being made better , just stop the crap Nuns with Guns thing it's just stupid and replace it with somthing more cooler. But back on topic making female marines would mean female Chaos marines....

Im personly against it just since the fluff states that you cant, but i wont stop anyone from doing what they want with their own minis, hell if they make the fem-marines look cool then il praise them on a good job.

Honestly...

So.

Close eye being kept on this thread...

Blah blah blah...

Keep it civil...

Etc., etc., etc.

Female Space Marines will only work out if they are in their own separate chapters formed by the 2 missing primarchs

Absolutely NO females in the existing Space Marine chapters such as the Ultramarines or Imperial Fists

I'm more or less whatever for the female marines. What I am very much for is good quality female plastics in the 40k size and scale to make conversions easier for people to add variety to their armies and for those certain few to be able to have fan made female space marines made easier.

pretty much plastic SOB would do that job quite nicely for making conversions much easier, and would make it a whole lot easier for me to convert to make my female fox marine scouts.


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Pilau Rice wrote:

Goddard wrote:How would they introduce this?

Let Ward handle it?

From what I've read on the forums how he facked up the GK fluff, I'm pretty sure Ward could fack up the 40k fluff enough to make it happen.


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1hadhq wrote:\
GW/citadel is still selling Models ( and rules to field them ) mainly, and we have seen their sculpts of females...
so improved sculpts for basic humans ( guard and anything as armored as them ) and eldar with more mixed kits ( if moving kits to plastic )
should include females.

This I agree with, especially for the IG. IG should really have every 1 out of 5 models be female in the plastic kits much like the Eldar guardian squad plastic kits.

I'm going to say no.

To me it would be awkward fluff wise to introduce them. Now, what I wouldn't mind seeing is geneseed, NEW geneseed created for say the SOB, or possibly to raise another Legion. Possibly something that the Emperor was working on before THH that was discovered and they managed to finish, or something entirely new made under the direction of the Emperor. I just wouldn't want to see em force into the fluff screwing up the established stuff. As for one of the 2 lost Primarchs, it could work I'd suppose would feel a bit forced but unless its done very well it will anyway.

So couple that, with I know they'll end up in skin tight power armor to show off the chests, sticking with no. But I wouldn't really care if they introduced it anyway, and if it was done really well I might even consider playing them. Or if some third party made conversions and someone wanted to play me with that I'd be more then happy as long as it was tasteful.

Fluffwise, I think they could do it but I dont think I would want it. Maybe a certain model like a female librarian or scouts but on the whole, no.
I dont think GW could make female versions of the marines without failing and just make them look "sexy" running around with high-heels etc.

Asherian Command wrote:

-Loki- wrote:While I'm all for female models, the amount of female models GW have made that aren't butch lesbians can be counted on one hand. They need better sculptors before they even consider it.

Either that or get Juan Diaz to sculpt them all.

OR someone that has actually seen a womens body.

Its really suprising that people forget the game they are playing, have you seen women in combat armour and camo, they look pretty much the same as men. Do you really think that a female IG is gonna stop and check her makeup while a carnifix is ripping through her unit.

The changes that occur to a marine's muscles and bones during their alteration would mean that female marines would look identical to male marines (they wouldn't have breasts seeing as they are taken as children and eustrogen would not be released in the body as so many other more powerful hormones are pumped through the body.). Space marine initiates are taken before adulthood, before the general physical characteristics between male and female truelly present themselves (women having wider hips and breasts), the end result would be that they would LOOK IDENTICAL.

Its not sexist that GW doesn't make female marines, its sexist that the players that want them, want them with big breasts and arses.

I agree that the male SM thing is kind of set in stone, but that doesn't mean others can't benefit from female fighters. The IG has female regiments, but do they get models? They get Escher gangers that have bigger boobs than my brother (he's fat btw)! The Eladar and DE both make use of female warriors, and they seem to be the only range that gets dedicated fem-fighters.

As an aside, the tau should have more female warriors than just 1 special character. If all Tau are driven to fight for the greater good, then why is there only one woman in the entire Tau military? Was she just some butch lesbian that made to the top?

I suppose it's all because of our male-dominated warfare. war has been our manly man thing since jesus walked on water (apparently - I still think it was custard...). Women have only been able to actively participate in most county's military in the last seventy years or so, and even half of that was indirect work in clerical sectors of making bombs. It's been that way for a long time, and we all know how hard it is to break a stereotype.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

-Loki- wrote:While I'm all for female models, the amount of female models GW have made that aren't butch lesbians can be counted on one hand. They need better sculptors before they even consider it.

Either that or get Juan Diaz to sculpt them all.

OR someone that has actually seen a womens body.

Its really suprising that people forget the game they are playing, have you seen women in combat armour and camo, they look pretty much the same as men. Do you really think that a female IG is gonna stop and check her makeup while a carnifix is ripping through her unit.

The changes that occur to a marine's muscles and bones during their alteration would mean that female marines would look identical to male marines (they wouldn't have breasts seeing as they are taken as children and eustrogen would not be released in the body as so many other more powerful hormones are pumped through the body.). Space marine initiates are taken before adulthood, before the general physical characteristics between male and female truelly present themselves (women having wider hips and breasts), the end result would be that they would LOOK IDENTICAL.

Its not sexist that GW doesn't make female marines, its sexist that the players that want them, want them with big breasts and arses.

Unless they completely stop the production of Estrogen, breasts are still going to form, and unless they pump in testosterone no the bodies will not be identical and even if they do they still won't. The reason that the Olympics require gender testing of their athletes is it was determined that male sex hormones (testosterone) gave an unfair advantage (due to more efficient o2 use in the muscles among other things), this was to prevent male athletes who under went male to female gender reassignment from "cheating". And no matter how many things you push through a IV your not going to change bone structure.

Now I do agree for the most part, boys and girls look the same in body armor, especially if you slap a helmet on em, and doubly so in giant crap like power armor. But stating their going to look identical is oversimplification. But still a sprue of heads IMO would do the trick, their minis, they don't need that much detail. I'm not going to look at the characters hips and say "yup that's a girl" I'm going to look at the face.

And honestly, they still have to deal with the limits of the models, imagine the cost involved of all new molds for such minor changes. While molds for heads wouldn't be cheap I think GW would make their investment back in no time. As I stated before, I'd accept fem marines if tasteful and well explained in the fluff (meaning Ward died in a fire before he got his hands on it) but it would be really akward having them suddenly appear.

Sckitzo wrote:Now I do agree for the most part, boys and girls look the same in body armor, especially if you slap a helmet on em, and doubly so in giant crap like power armor. But stating their going to look identical is oversimplification. But still a sprue of heads IMO would do the trick, their minis, they don't need that much detail. I'm not going to look at the characters hips and say "yup that's a girl" I'm going to look at the face.

I immediatly thought of that scene in Crocodile Dundee when he grabs the tranny between the legs "Yeah, that's a man"

Despite the obvious and resounding 'NO', I have to say "yes"

I love the idea. I want to do it so badly. All of my 'special' DE models (sybarites, splinter cannons, blasters, etc) are female, and it really gives me a different outlook on the game. Female dominance is great. A game of men is just no fun at all

Samus_aran115 wrote:Female dominance is great.

OK then...

Well the whole men only thing is BS from the start. I am sure it had everything to do with making the molds, so they made a BS reason as to why women are not space marines. They should have been there from the start.

The fluff is BS and genetically altered women could do just as much as a genetically altered man.

BTW why is it fluff is treated as if it is the ten commandments and when it is changed people bitch and moan for a few months and then go ahead and make new commandments out of the new fluff?


Btw I think I saw some cooties in this thread earlier...


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Also if they made a Sisters of Silence Codex, a decent Sisters of Battle codex, a female bitz for imperial guard, I would totally drop the whole female marine issue.

If they make female space marines I demand Male Men of battle XD

Lord Scythican wrote:Well the whole men only thing is BS from the start. I am sure it had everything to do with making the molds, so they made a BS reason as to why women are not space marines. They should have been there from the start.

The fluff is BS and genetically altered women could do just as much as a genetically altered man.

BTW why is it fluff is treated as if it is the ten commandments and when it is changed people bitch and moan for a few months and then go ahead and make new commandments out of the new fluff?


Btw I think I saw some cooties in this thread earlier...


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Also if they made a Sisters of Silence Codex, a decent Sisters of Battle codex, a female bitz for imperial guard, I would totally drop the whole female marine issue.

it's not a BS reason why there can't be Female space marines.

Females and Males are different on a genetic level, so it isn't hard to belive that a genetic process for male specimens wouldn't work for females.


they COULD have gone the other way around and had the Emperor be an Empress who had 20 Genetically enhanced daughters who had 20 Genetically Enhanced legions of Female warriors called Space marines.

but very few people would have taken 40k seriously at that point. it wouldn't have sold.



there can't, and shouldn't, be female space marines as it would change the whole feel of the 40k universe. that and it would probably result in a drop in sales from all the young boys who buy only Spess Murines.

GW won't fundamentally change their primary money making line of models, nor should they. Deal with it.



If you want Female bits for other armies, Ask for Female bits. Don't go after Space Marines.

you will find it far easier to incorperate female guardsmen models into the line then undergo a fundamental fluff change just to get your female models.